[HN Gopher] New EU law could force Apple to allow other app stor...
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New EU law could force Apple to allow other app stores,
sideloading, and more
Author : kasperni
Score : 63 points
Date : 2022-11-01 15:19 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| cercatrova wrote:
| This is the only way I'd ever get an iPhone. You can rip YouTube
| (Re)Vanced from my cold, head hands.
| Scaevolus wrote:
| Does it provide significant features beyond being ad free?
|
| I pay for Premium, largely because it's too annoying running
| adblockers on mobile and TVs.
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| Not to mention, if you get YouTube premium you also get
| YouTube Music ad-free. Ads in music players are far more
| annoying IMO.
| cercatrova wrote:
| Vanced and Revanced work for YouTube Music too.
| cercatrova wrote:
| SponsorBlock removes in-video sponsors but also a lot of
| filler content like intros and endings, and even filler in
| between like joke content, if you configure it that way.
| solarkraft wrote:
| Lots of quality of life stuff. Sponsorblock (it doesn't only
| skip sponsor messages but also subscribe-whining, which I
| find way worse), background playback (can you believe they
| took this away?) and the ability to set playback speeds
| beyond 2x are the features that immediately come to my mind.
|
| > I pay for Premium, largely because it's too annoying
| running adblockers on mobile and TVs.
|
| I don't use iOS because ad blocking is too cumbersome there
| and only watch YouTube videos on my TV by mirroring my
| laptop's screen.
|
| Every once in a while I consider subscribing to YouTube
| premium but then I remember that I'd still have to mod to get
| a (somewhat) tolerable experience.
| solarkraft wrote:
| I'm extremely interested in the DMA. Does anyone have a detailed
| explanation of the effects it will have?
|
| Everyone talks about the App Store, but what options does Apple
| have to make the experience miserable?
|
| Will Apple be forced to open up all the special treatments they
| currently give themselves (special APIs for OS integration and
| policies) to other developers?
| ThatPlayer wrote:
| Yes.
| https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-9-2022-0270...
| is the full text. The relevant portion of that is 56/57:
|
| >The aim of the obligations is to allow competing third parties
| to interconnect through interfaces or similar solutions to the
| respective features as effectively as the gatekeeper's own
| services or hardware.
| badRNG wrote:
| Will this law also apply to Nintendo, Xbox, and Play Station
| systems?
| Someone wrote:
| I would think Nintendo and Sony wouldn't pass the bar for being
| a gatekeeper because they don't provide "a core platform
| service to more than 45 million monthly active end users
| established or located in the EU _AND_(emphasis_added)_ to more
| than 10,000 yearly active business users established in the
| EU;" (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/api/files/doc
| ume...)
|
| Xbox will be an interesting case. Microsoft easily passes that
| bar, but I would think that product doesn't.
|
| I guess splitting iOS in a consumer version and a business
| version would be a way to get around the letter of that law,
| but I expect the EU wouldn't be happy with that, and very
| rapidly "designate the company as a gatekeeper on the basis of
| a qualitative assessment, even if it does not meet the
| quantitative thresholds" (https://ec.europa.eu/commission/press
| corner/detail/en/QANDA_...)
| rahkiin wrote:
| Game developers are business users though, aren't they?
| lost_tourist wrote:
| They're just going for the elephant in the room first. Cell
| phones are ubiquitous and touch most facets of modern life,
| game stations do not.
| [deleted]
| vivaldidev wrote:
| Bring it on, time to bring down the walled gardens once and for
| all.
|
| 30% is highway robbery and Apple is making off like a bandit.
| Epic, Spotify, and others all see this. Time to see the fruit
| company humbled.
| SkylockeScarred wrote:
| Apple run their ecosystem like the British Empire ran it's
| trade, it rarely goes outside of it.
| webmobdev wrote:
| And hopefully we shall see more open source projects
| flourishing on iDevices - Apple app store has crippled open
| source development on ios / iPadOS because it lets Apple
| exploits for-profit developers, while non-profit developers who
| can't or won't give in to the extortion are denied a platform
| for their software. It also has been in Apple's interest to not
| allow open source software to flourish here, as most of them
| are popular, free and avoid adware (which goes against Apple's
| tried and tested business model of extorting money from non-
| free software or pushing "free" apps to bundle ads through
| their ad platform).
| barbazoo wrote:
| Will this have any impact on non EU markets? Similar to the USB-C
| port ruling, other than practical reasons, it doesn't mean it'll
| get applied everywhere else.
|
| > Apple is also facing similar legislation in the United States,
| with U.S. House lawmakers in June introducing antitrust bills
| that would result in major changes to the tech industry if
| passed.
|
| Nice for them to introduce a bill but how much hope is there this
| will actually become law. And even then, what about other
| countries?
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