[HN Gopher] Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter...
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Tesla engineers were on-site to evaluate the Twitter staff's code,
workers said
Author : perihelions
Score : 21 points
Date : 2022-10-29 20:36 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| sidibe wrote:
| I think the goal here is to get people to quit voluntarily by
| doing the most ridiculous things possible.
| throwaway728274 wrote:
| For a variety of performance car nerd related reasons, I've not
| paid too much attention to Tesla. But iirc, there have been a
| couple threads here and elsewhere about Tesla making "expedient"
| choices in Eng, with a lot of horrible bodges around critical
| components. It definitely left me with an impression that Tesla
| was a place with low engineering quality -- though again, I have
| no source at hand here, and don't feel bothered to do the
| searching.
|
| Anyone know the articles / blog posts I'm talking about?
|
| FWIW, I don't think the idea of Elon having his own folks do some
| internal reviews egregious. Id bet the comm and positioning
| around it was suboptimal though, atleast given Elon's
| personality.
| jstx1 wrote:
| > One former Tesla engineer, who spoke on the condition of
| anonymity to candidly describe the matter but was not involved,
| said Tesla engineers would have trouble capably assessing
| Twitter's code. Distributed systems, the large-scale and spread-
| out network that Twitter is composed of, are not the automaker's
| specialty, the person said.
|
| > The "idea of Elon being flanked by his Tesla engineers
| reviewing Twitter code is laughable," the person said.
|
| It is laughable, and it's just another signal that Elon has no
| clue what he's doing. Imagine how farcical the whole thing felt
| to anyone involved who isn't him.
| the_doctah wrote:
| What hubris to think that your system is so complex that other
| engineers couldn't understand it.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| _vertigo wrote:
| From Musk's POV, a bunch of solid, well-rounded, and
| experienced engineers you trust might be enough to tell you
| "this guy is full of shit" when talking to new people.
|
| Maybe it's less about code quality and more about eng quality.
| whateveracct wrote:
| I guarantee Elon is surrounded by yes-men.
| llamaLord wrote:
| 14 months ago a lot of people said it was "laughable" that
| Tesla thought they'd have a working prototype of a humanoid
| robot in under a year...
|
| I'll take Tesla engineer's over 95% of the industry any day.
| qeternity wrote:
| No, people said they'd never have a working prototype that
| was in any way useful or demonstrative.
|
| And those people were right.
| [deleted]
| dragontamer wrote:
| No. Most of us correctly noted that no matter how much effort
| Tesla puts into Optimus, it won't be as good as Honda's Asimo
| demo for years.
|
| Let alone Boston Dynamic's demos. Or Disney's stunt robot.
|
| -------
|
| So we're mostly laughing at the wasted effort. Of course it's
| possible, other companies made humanoid walking robots like
| 20 years ago.
|
| The other questions, like how to actually make money from
| them, remain unanswered.
| heavenlyblue wrote:
| Is it as working as their FSD?
| timcavel wrote:
| TigeriusKirk wrote:
| At the moment, my default position on all stories out of
| Twitter is that they didn't happen unless confirmed officially
| by Twitter. And the more nonsensical the story, the firmer that
| belief is for me.
| toomanyrichies wrote:
| When Tesla become a publicly-traded company, it ceased being
| Musk's personal fiefdom. Diverting engineering resources away
| from Tesla for personal use strikes me as a dereliction of his
| fiduciary duties toward Tesla's shareholders. They should be
| focused on Tesla's mission, not Musk's new shiny object.
|
| EDIT: maybe the Tesla engineers took PTO and Musk paid them out-
| of-pocket to go on a field trip with him to Twitter HQ? Failing
| that, this whole thing seems actionable on the part of Tesla
| shareholders.
| Salgat wrote:
| SpaceX does the same thing with Tesla engineers, and they pay
| contracting fees to do this, which is completely above board
| legally speaking.
| dnissley wrote:
| I heard that what typically happens in this situation is that
| one company pays the other a consulting fee. In this case
| Twitter paying Tesla.
| labrador wrote:
| Twitter is going private Nov 8
| awinder wrote:
| Even something like that pay-for-pto plan seems so flirtatious
| with trouble. It's not a move that's in the fiduciary interest
| of Tesla shareholders, and mixing personal money into it might
| even make that more clear.
|
| Elons got a large bench of people who cheerled this thing, ask
| Larry Ellison for some people who can go audit this thing over
| multi-months.
| rohan_ wrote:
| I wonder how much damage short-sellers & tech journalism have
| caused tesla through twitter? There might be some business
| justification here.
| giantdude wrote:
| Someone probably told elon to look into the 'plumbing' of
| twitter. He brought a sink just in case.
| [deleted]
| WheelsAtLarge wrote:
| Kind of insulting but understandable coming from an owner that
| just bought a new toy. He should have done it before he bought
| it.
|
| It's interesting how much publicity this whole situation is
| getting. Musk must be loving it.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I'm still looking for a concise term for "someone who claims to
| be an expert but immediately reveals beyond any doubt that they
| have no clue what they're saying, simply by opening their mouth
| on the subject."
|
| Having Tesla engineers over to review Twitter code is definitely
| that. It's ridiculous.
| chadlavi wrote:
| Maybe "a Musk"
| system16 wrote:
| It's just another thing to add to the pile that should make
| anybody question why on earth people think he is a genius.
|
| The mythos he has created around himself is comical and it's
| mind-blowing that anyone actually believes it. He literally
| spends his entire day trolling on social media, yet people
| think he's out there solving the world's greatest engineering
| problems.
| Tiktaalik wrote:
| word you're looking for is charlatan
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I was thinking that, perhaps.
|
| But doesn't that imply that Elon knows he's a fraud and is
| trying to trick others? I don't think Elon realizes he's a
| fraud.
|
| It's like the opposite of impostor syndrome. When someone
| speaks with total confidence and absolute garbage comes out
| of their mouth.
| spaceywilly wrote:
| This is pretty standard procedure when a company gets bought. The
| new owners will conduct a review and decide who to keep and who
| to get rid of. They have probably been given a target of how many
| people they want to lay off and are evaluating who is worth
| keeping.
|
| It's not worth staying at a company that gets acquired, you'll
| either get laid off or be asked to do the same work with less
| people, and awful morale.
| [deleted]
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I think what you're saying is not untrue. But this isn't that.
| There would be an entire process performed over many months
| (some of which should have happened during due diligence.)
|
| Imagine if Elon bought an airline and asked them to line up all
| the planes on the tarmac for review.
| 8cmj7A wrote:
| They were asked to print their code and typically this is done
| as part of diligence _before_ closing. This is not sop. It's
| Elon making a show of things.
| aaronharnly wrote:
| Respectfully, very little of this seems to be operating by
| standard procedure. Have you seen the incoming CEO ask people
| to bring printouts of their code, ever?
| marstall wrote:
| I was thinking the "30-60" day time window may be a somewhat
| subtle way of catching out engineers who haven't written a thing
| in that amount of time. that would be one way to identify low-
| performers.
|
| not unproblematic by a long shot, but quick, and probably
| somewhat effective. and it wouldn't require any deep knowledge of
| twitter's codebase on the part of the reviewers.
| moomin wrote:
| People said the acquisition would be bad, but it's already given
| us so many innocent laughs.
| PM_me_your_math wrote:
| Didn't Musk get rich solving complex problems? The ink isn't even
| dry yet and there is a rush to judgement, speculation, and wild
| assumptions that are simply shameful.
|
| How many cars did Tesla sell on the day after his investment?
| chadlavi wrote:
| He got rich from his family's mines?
| RadixDLT wrote:
| perihelions wrote:
| https://archive.ph/xtF0x
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