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EU Opinion: Streaming Services Are Not Liable for VPN 'Pirates'
Author : gslin
Score : 19 points
Date : 2022-10-28 20:04 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| sschueller wrote:
| Geo blocking is streaming and content companies living in the
| past. They are creating this issue them selves but are too stupid
| or old to stop selling exclusive rights to TV and streaming
| services in other countries. At the same time these foreign
| companies need to stop wasting money on something that will
| eventually go away.
|
| How stupid is it for HBO to sell exclusive rights in part of
| Europe for their shows to Sky streaming when HBO can deliver this
| content directly. This isn't 90, people are hardly watching cable
| TV.
|
| This whole thing reminds me of blockbuster that didn't want to
| lose that small percentage of late fees in order to switch to a
| Netflix type model. Just no competing system at the moment.
|
| I guess it's easier to sell a shit show to a single entity then
| trying to convince your subscribers to watch it.
| dontbenebby wrote:
| >One of the key questions for the CJEU is whether online
| streaming services are liable for copyright infringement if their
| subscribers use VPN services to bypass geo-blocking efforts. EU
| Advocate General Maciej Szpunar shared his advice on the matter
| this week... The opinion of AG Szpunar compares the current case
| to existing EU jurisprudence on hyperlinks, concluding that a
| streaming service doesn't violate the law when subscribers bypass
| its geo-blocking efforts.
|
| Why do EU folks use malware laden streaming services that harm
| the earth (wastes electricity) rather than torrent stuff as
| needed then hold onto it in the medium term?
|
| Aside from being worried about leaving... extreme content...
| behind on the hard drive... it doesn't make sense to stream over
| and over, especially if it's an unreliable source like some shady
| streaming service that's probably got all sorts of weird
| javascript lurking alongside whatever is used to play the video.
|
| (With "the video" probably just being something on Youtube hoping
| no one copyright flags it)
|
| I never kept a formal library, just would fill the empty space on
| my hard drive with axxo rips, stuff rotten tomatoes said was
| good, and whatever was well seeded that wasn't hardcore
| pornography.
|
| (I always found the mix of "Welcome to the internet, here is a
| high(ish) resolution DVD rip of your favorite Sofia Coppola film.
| Would you also like some incredibly degrading pornography?" you
| get when you sort by what's well seeded incredibly dark in a bad
| way, and that's speaking as someone who may have briefly ended up
| on a department of homeland security watchlist because I
| researched United States v. Valle too much back when I was
| attempting OSCP.)
|
| Anyways, good decision IMHO but I'm not European right now, so I
| guess my opinion doesn't matter :-)
| saurik wrote:
| > Why do EU folks use malware laden streaming services that
| harm the earth (wastes electricity) rather than torrent stuff
| as needed then hold onto it in the medium term?
|
| I want to be sympathetic to your position on moral grounds, but
| I am having a hard time understanding this more technical
| complaint... I certainly have a lot of downloaded media but it
| isn't clear to me that it saves electricity?
|
| I also feel like you are making an assumption that people watch
| the same content over and over again, which maybe is true for a
| hardcore fan of a show like The Office, but I am a _heavy_ user
| of these services--watching content (maybe only passively while
| doing other tasks) almost all day, every day--and it is
| extremely rare that I watch the same content even twice.
|
| (It is sufficiently rare that I can cite a very notable-to-me
| example: I decided to watch How I Met Your Mother through a
| second time this month, but since the last time I watched it
| was a decade ago it isn't clear to me that it would have made
| sense--with respect to your stated electricity concern--for me
| to maintain the storage locally for that entire show for a
| decade--during which time I have needed to replace all the
| disks on my home RAID array at least once--on the off chance
| that I suddenly got inspired to watch that show again.)
| CleverLikeAnOx wrote:
| > the person who bypasses the restrictions should be held
| responsible, not the platform where they are published.
|
| I wonder where this line of thinking will lead. Will content
| licensors start demanding logs from streaming services and go
| after vpn users directly?
| anikom15 wrote:
| They can if they want to. The licensors don't have to comply
| though.
| [deleted]
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