[HN Gopher] Real-time dialogue between experimenters and dreamer...
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Real-time dialogue between experimenters and dreamers during REM
sleep (2021)
Author : lukas099
Score : 76 points
Date : 2022-10-27 16:15 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| giantg2 wrote:
| "Dreams take us to a different reality, a hallucinatory world
| that feels as real as any waking experience."
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| Does it really? It doesn't feel that real when you know it's a
| dream. All the dreams I can remember are always ones that I know
| it's a dream.
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| "rare phenomenon and lucid dreams can seldom be summoned at will,
| which has made it difficult for researchers to capture them in
| the lab in a reliable manner."
|
| I mean, I can't summon them at will, but I do tend to dream most
| nights, and they're (as far as I can remember) always lucid.
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| I'm looking forward to more info about dreams and lucid dreams. I
| wonder if there's any correlation to stuff like dementia or early
| death. It seems like lucid dreaming is very tiring and that I
| don't wake well rested (I should add that I can generally control
| or struggle to control what goes on in the dream, so that might
| be part of it).
| Tenoke wrote:
| >It seems like lucid dreaming is very tiring and that I don't
| wake well rested
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| I spent a lot of time in my teens learning to lucid dream and I
| do credit it with worsening my sleep quality. If nothing else
| because I have to force myself to wake up when lucid dreams
| repeatedly turn creepy with their occupants unhappy with me for
| being the dreamer.
| otikik wrote:
| I would say the opposite is true for me. I never know I am
| dreaming while I'm dreaming. You never have nightmares then, I
| take?
| soupfordummies wrote:
| Yeah this is interesting, it's maybe only a few times a
| DECADE where I'll realize I'm dreaming. Well, that I remember
| at least. I have pretty good dream recall most days but of
| course I lose a lot pretty soon after getting going.
| Baeocystin wrote:
| Not OP, but I can't think of a dream that I remember where I
| didn't know I was dreaming. Sometimes they are nightmares,
| but if it gets too bad I just remind myself that it's just a
| dream, and then that's pretty much that.
| Ancalagon wrote:
| I also have never been able to lucid dream. Even the few
| instances where I realized I was dreaming I almost instantly
| woke up involuntarily.
|
| I have heard keeping a dream-journal and using a few
| techniques inside the dream can give you the ability to lucid
| dream, but these haven't worked for me.
| giantg2 wrote:
| Not really. I can find myself in a nightmare situation, but I
| can then force it to play out differently. I don't wake up
| scared or anything, but I will wake up tired from forcing the
| dream to change or go a certain way.
| 1MachineElf wrote:
| I'm just commenting here to say that you're not the only
| one. My dreams always go wherever my mind wanders, so any
| nightmare events are just moments in a longer episode in
| which I'm aware that I'm dreaming. Any bad dream can be
| turned around as long as the thoughts inducing it are not
| intrusive.
|
| Exception to the above are only 5 one-off "nightmare"
| dreams:
|
| 1. When I was a very little, I had a nightmare after
| watching/about The Little Toaster. Probably a lot of kids
| did.
|
| 2. Slightly older, I dreamt that flowers were growing out
| of my skin and I was becoming a plant.
|
| 3. Same age range, dreamt an evil clown had provoked me
| into a fight and none of my swings could hit him.
|
| 4. When I was a tween, I had a nightmare that my mother
| kept a small wooden box full of my father's freshly severed
| fingers.
|
| 5. In my 20s, I had a nightmare where I told my sister (I
| don't actually have one IRL) that I shot and killed a
| demonic horse who was actually myself.
| dalmo3 wrote:
| > All the dreams I can remember are always ones that I know
| it's a dream.
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| In my dreams I observe two orthogonal-ish aspects of lucidity:
| one is to know it's a dream, the other is to control my
| actions.
|
| In most dreams I control myself but don't know it's a dream
| until I wake up. At times realising it's a dream immediately
| wakes me up.
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| The opposite is also common, where I know it's a dream but have
| no volition, it just plays out as a movie.
|
| I'm sure there are dreams which are fully random but I can't
| seem to remember those.
|
| Finally, I can only remember a single time when both combined.
| At first I just had control of my actions, then realised it was
| a dream. Then I remember proving to other people they were in
| a/my dream. That didn't last long before I woke up.
| nomel wrote:
| I don't have access, but I believe this is the PDF, based on the
| title: https://www.cell.com/current-
| biology/pdfExtended/S0960-9822(...
| mindcrime wrote:
| I hope this research is quickly buried and never resurfaces
| again. Why? Because the last thing I want is to be asleep and
| dreaming and have some dream character approach me and say "I've
| been trying to reach you about your vehicle's extended warranty!"
| Do. Not. Want.
| karencarits wrote:
| Citing the conclusion of a detailed comment on pubpeer (https://p
| ubpeer.com/publications/AB8B5472EB1E3301B3581AA7EDB...):
|
| > a highly-selective analysis of highly selected participants
| shows that a small minority of them seem able to respond to
| simple questions while they sleep. the stats here are a mess.
| giantg2 wrote:
| I don't think the stats were the point. The conclusion isn't
| about quantifying it. It's essentially a binary existence
| statement and "we found this phenomenon that needs more
| research".
| sorokod wrote:
| Has been mentioned in a recent The Joy of Why podcast.
| tardibear wrote:
| (2021)
| AlphaWeaver wrote:
| https://xkcd.com/269/
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