[HN Gopher] Apple developers are frustrated with gambling ads ap...
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Apple developers are frustrated with gambling ads appearing across
the App Store
Author : JohnTHaller
Score : 75 points
Date : 2022-10-26 16:53 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| coldtea wrote:
| I'm frustrated with ALL and ANY ad appearing across the App
| Store.
|
| I pay for the device, I pay for services, I pay for the apps and
| app subscriptions, heck, I even pay for device peripherals
| (cases, and so on). Why the fuck does Apple need to make a buck
| selling ads to me too?
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| Because they love money?
| coldtea wrote:
| All kinds of companies love money, doesn't mean they do
| everything and anything to get at them. Some, of course do.
| But that comes at a cost too. What you don't do sends a
| message about your brand too -- and can cheapen and devalue
| it.
| drekipus wrote:
| They _really_ love money.
| mikestew wrote:
| Am I having a Mandela moment, or did Cook's "sometimes it's
| not about the damned money/profits" quote from a
| shareholders meeting get memory-holed? (Background:
| shareholder shows up at meeting, complains about
| environmental initiatives or summat. Cook unleashes quote.
| Damned if my search fu can find it.) EDIT: took another
| whack at it and found it:
|
| https://macdailynews.com/2014/03/01/tim-cook-gets-angry-
| over...
|
| _" 'When I think about doing the right thing,' he said, 'I
| don't think about an ROI... If that's a hard line for you,
| then you should get [out] of the stock.'"_
|
| Mmmm, that's aging like a fine wine. But to give benefit of
| the doubt, I suppose gambling is a-okay for Mr. Cook.
| Myself, as an Apple shareholder for 20 years, eh, I'll
| occasionally darken the door of a casino, but I don't want
| to make money off gambling business.
|
| But back to on-topic: yes, company actions can most
| certainly cheapen a brand. For instance, show enough
| gambling ads and IMO your "store" starts to look like there
| ought to be a payday loan place on one side, and a liquor
| store with bars on the windows on the other side.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| "You're a recovered addict? I would recommend gambling!"
| nickphx wrote:
| It's going to be funny watching Apple make the same mistakes as
| every other massive corporation that decides to allow user
| generated content as Advertising.
| ndlzk wrote:
| kweingar wrote:
| > Gambling app ads have even started showing up beneath apps
| meant to help users recover from a gambling addiction
|
| I don't need Christianity to know that this shouldn't be
| happening
| bobbylarrybobby wrote:
| Is the future of advertising just 100% gambling ads? Looks to be
| that way anytime I watch a baseball game.
| JohnTHaller wrote:
| It's profitable and addictive, so it's the natural next step up
| from 'games' with loot boxes that cluttered the ads.
| coldtea wrote:
| Now, consider the mistake of clicking and checking out 1 or 2
| of them. They will intesify 20x in your ad "feed"...
| nullfield wrote:
| So, seriously...
|
| If Apple starts going down the road of Google, putting ads in
| everything, then can't we pretty much be sure that the same
| perverse incentives that care nothing for our privacy will almost
| certainly follow, no matter how much Apple protests that they
| won't do that?
|
| And if so, why should we keep paying Apple the premium it
| charges?
| throwaway5959 wrote:
| We shouldn't, and I won't. I'll sell all my Apple hardware and
| convert to Linux on the laptop, Windows for the gaming rig
| (already there) and Pixel for phone. I've kept all my stuff on
| non-Apple/Google platforms like 1Password and Dropbox so
| switching will be trivial.
| nullfield wrote:
| Ditching 1Password for bitwarden and self-hosting it with
| vaultwarden might also be an option depending on your needs
| and experience.
| woojoo666 wrote:
| I doubt Apple will go down that path, the past few years have
| shown how badly advertising can hurt the reputation of a
| company (see Facebook, Google)
| georgebarnett wrote:
| Advertising can be helpful if it's done carefully, with taste
| (Daring Fireball is a good example).
|
| Apple it would appear are losing their taste which is a real
| shame, because they're willingly giving up their edge over
| Google.
|
| If I'm forced into ads, I trust Google to do them better.
|
| I find it remarkable that the rest of Apple internally hasn't
| politically shot the ads division in the face yet.
| leoh wrote:
| Apple is increasingly becoming a deeply corrupted institution. It
| will not have a respected legacy in 5-10 years.
| nickv wrote:
| Saw this coming with Eddy Cue taking over the App Store from Phil
| Schiller.
| lapcat wrote:
| This is not accurate. "Phil Schiller is an Apple Fellow,
| responsible for leading the App Store and Apple Events."
| https://www.apple.com/leadership/phil-schiller/
|
| Moreover: "Schiller is still very much in the thick of the
| action at Apple, where he continues to put in long hours,
| according to people familiar with this role. The duties he held
| on to -- overseeing the App Store, Apple's distribution hub for
| software designed for devices like the iPhone -- has positioned
| him at the center of the Apple business that is attracting the
| most scrutiny from antitrust regulators in the U.S. and
| abroad." https://9to5mac.com/2022/09/13/phil-schiller-profile/
| coldtea wrote:
| That's what they always say when someone is moves on, is
| sidelined, or is moved to a cosmetic role ("nothing changed,
| they're as active as ever").
| lapcat wrote:
| That's missing the point. (Also it's an unfalsifiable
| claim.) Phil Schiller took over the App Store from Eddy Cue
| 7 years ago. So the OP got it backward.
| https://www.theverge.com/2015/12/17/10412204/apple-phil-
| schi...
| coldtea wrote:
| > _(Also it 's an unfalsifiable claim.)_
|
| Nothing wrong with those, if they're also true. Sometimes
| you have to go by experience, not evidence.
| lapcat wrote:
| > Sometimes you have to go by experience
|
| Are you a current or former Apple employee?
|
| Anyway, "Eddy Cue re-takes App Store from Phil Schiller"
| is not even a _rumor_. That 's coming from nowhere.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _Are you a current or former Apple employee?_
|
| By the experience of the kind of vacuous things companies
| say time and again when someone is sidelined/has moved
| on/and so on, only to be proven BS.
|
| I'm not an employee at an acquired SaaS startup either,
| but I do know from similar experience that 9 times out of
| 10, "nothing will change", "we now have more resources to
| make an even better product" etc, means the product
| you'll loved and used will be either become
| unrecognizable or will shut down within a year or so...
|
| In this case, if "Phil Schiller took over the App Store
| from Eddy Cue 7 years ago. So the OP got it backward"
| then that's probably not the case. But the general
| principle remains...
| lapcat wrote:
| > But the general principle remains...
|
| I don't even know what you're arguing anymore.
|
| The OP made a factual mistake. I corrected it, with
| documented evidence.
|
| Whether Schiller is fully engaged now or not isn't even
| the main question. The main question about the OP's
| comment is, where in the world did "Eddy Cue" come from?
| coldtea wrote:
| > _I don 't even know what you're arguing anymore._
|
| The exact same thing I argued since my first comment in
| this thread.
|
| You're arguing for Schiller vs Cue. I didn't comment on
| that.
|
| I merely meta-remarked that the 9to5 quote given as
| supporting evidence doesn't mean much, since those kind
| of assurances are given by companies to journalists when
| they're not true at all.
|
| I'm positing that such claims are not good gauges of
| what's going on - regardless of the particulars of this
| case.
| adam_arthur wrote:
| "Apple doesn't believe in ads!"
|
| Whoops
| MBCook wrote:
| Apple believes less and less in making great products for
| users.
|
| They've fallen into the growth-at-all-costs mentality that
| ruins everything. If they can do almost nothing and make money
| they're doing it.
|
| I don't see why gambling apps are on the store at all. Isn't
| there a rule against them anyway?
|
| So in the end, surprise surprise, the ads exist. And since
| crypto scams and gambling apps take in tons of money, they have
| the most to buy ads.
|
| I miss Steve.
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