[HN Gopher] My next Mac might be the last
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My next Mac might be the last
Author : pier25
Score : 86 points
Date : 2022-10-24 19:39 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| drcongo wrote:
| I feel like my current Mac (MBP M1 Pro) might be my last, because
| it's so damn good that I can't imagine ever needing more.
| chipotle_coyote wrote:
| I'm eternally conflicted by personal stories like this, with part
| of me going _do we have to do this again?_ and another part
| responding with _surely you don't think Apple is above
| criticism._
|
| No. Of course I don't. Apple has made criticism-worthy decisions
| for years and they still regularly make them. But at times it
| seems like there's just a...reach. I'm using macOS Monterey right
| now, and while I don't think the Big Sur UI refresh is a
| substantial improvement over its predecessor Catalina and it made
| a few aesthetic choices I'd charitably describe as dubious, it's
| hardly a catastrophic regression. Yeah, people are nostalgic
| about OS X Snow Leopard, but that's not a particularly good
| indication of it being the pinnacle of design. People are also
| nostalgic about Windows 3.1, AmigaOS, and CP/M. (Snow Leopard is
| full of the old "metal" UI, glowy candy-colored buttons, and
| drawers. It's adorable, but it's very 2000s.)
|
| And, I mean, okay, Mac people are stereotypically (over)sensitive
| to UX decisions, I get that. So when the author writes, "I'm not
| saying I'm dumping the Mac and switching to Windows or Linux,"
| well: no, he's clearly not, is he. He's just written a a fair
| number of words with the clear subtext, _I am a Mac person who is
| stereotypically oversensitive to UX decisions._ Apple will
| undoubtedly make other weird choices next year with macOS Fresno
| or Oxnard or whatever, but they will probably still on the whole
| be choices Mac UX nerds will like more than the alternatives.
|
| (Also, dumping the Mac and switching to Windows or Linux will
| deprive people of the opportunity to write about how much they
| hate the Mac, and you know, where would the fun be in that.)
| [deleted]
| derbOac wrote:
| You're correctly pointing to some hypocritical subtext, but to
| be fair to the author, they explain the reason for their
| ambivalence: it's because there's such a contrast between
| hardware and software.
|
| This is nothing new really, but then that goes to the heart of
| why people "love to hate the Mac". It's not that they love to
| hate it, it's that the hardware is so great, but then you have
| this kind of increasingly corporate consumer-hostile stuff that
| gets thrown on top of it (in the past it was just plain bloated
| inefficiency, like early iTunes).
|
| So let's say you are in the author's position: what do you do?
| Regardless of whether it's Linux or Windows, you're going to go
| onto other hardware systems. Many of the options are pretty
| nice and underrated in "Mac faithful" communities. But really,
| they're _probably_ not quite what Apple offers, if not in
| quality, than in selling points.
|
| Recently this has been exacerbated because Apple is putting out
| an ARM chip that's pretty powerful but also power-efficient.
| Add nice trackpads, nice monitors, great battery life, and so
| forth, and it's hard to leave even if you are frustrated with
| the software. What other high-performing consumer ARM/RISC
| power efficient laptop are you going to find?
|
| A lot of people (I'm in this boat now) would love to see the
| ability to buy Apple hardware and slap Linux on it seamlessly,
| but it's not quite there yet. Asahi Linux is incredibly
| impressive in how fast its grown but it's not actually ready
| for primetime: last time I looked at the status notes, you were
| at risk of literally blowing up your speakers by doing much
| with them.
|
| So then the ambivalence goes around and around.
| yawnxyz wrote:
| I decided my last Macbook Pro 15 was my last Macbook, then bought
| a top of the range DELL running Windows 10, and the fit and
| finish of both the device and the OS is just not there.
|
| Using the touchpad was a chore as it's not as responsive; ads pop
| up all over the Start menu; the monitor is blurry; and even
| setting up things like Bluetooth devices were hit and miss.
|
| Ended up getting another Macbook, for better or worse
| wizardman wrote:
| While we're getting things off our chest I wanted to share
| something.
|
| I'm still using the original iPhone SE (you know, the small phone
| with bezels). The design of Safari for iOS used to be perfect.
| The + sign to open a new tab was right in the middle. Switching
| to incognito was 1 tap away. The open tabs were stacked open
| behind another.
|
| Apple redesigned Safari in iOS 15 to accommodate it for the
| bigger all-screen iPhones. The address bar was moved to the
| bottom for better reachability. The + sign was moved away not to
| be so close to that horizontal line that replaced the home
| button. Incognito was hidden away. The stack of open tabs become
| a grid.
|
| Even though the redesign made sense for the bigger bezel-less
| phones it was a regression for phones like the iPhone SE. I would
| have loved if they introduced the changes only to newer models
| but I can also understand that maintaining 2 different UIs
| would've been more work.
| SevenNation wrote:
| > But what about security? Are you sure you want to stay on an
| older version of Mac OS? -- Thankfully I'm tech-savvy enough to
| know what I'm doing. The two Macs I use most are still on High
| Sierra and Mojave, and haven't received security updates in quite
| a while. I haven't had any security-related problem whatsoever.
| ...
|
| Lots to unpack here. First, the author is stating a personal
| preference and won't be swayed. Fair enough.
|
| But the idea that the author would know they "haven't had any
| security-related problems whatsoever" is debatable at best. The
| attack surface is enormous.
|
| Even security experts admit they have trouble securing a consumer
| computer. And it doesn't sound like the author spends much time
| dealing with the topic in depth.
| jollyllama wrote:
| How often do ordinary people actually get owned by zero days
| like you're describing? The majority have got to be malicious
| links, opening dangerous attachments, etc. Or, back in the day,
| a misconfigured firewall; I'd still absolutely recommend a
| strict firewall on the router.
| hot_gril wrote:
| I agree, you can probably stay on an old release and be ok,
| but that doesn't mean it's worth the risk.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Yeah, I won't say that I've enjoyed the restrictions that've
| come with the various security-associated measures added over
| the years, but I leave them turned on anyway because all it
| takes is one zero-day on some site you visit that manages to
| worm its way through your blocking extensions.
|
| I've been using computers for 25+ years and have been
| technically capable for the better part of that, but that
| doesn't mean I'm any less vulnerable. I'm not going to be
| intentionally clicking on fishy links or anything but we all
| make mistakes, which makes it more a matter of when than if.
| Apocryphon wrote:
| macOS is much more prevalent than it used to be, but the attack
| surface is hardly "enormous" considering the prominence of
| security vulnerabilities on Windows.
|
| Would be more interesting to actually cite examples of high-
| risk exploits that have been discovered since High Sierra and
| Mojave.
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| The OP points about security updates seem like a good example
| of Dunning-Kruger
| DoctorD68 wrote:
| I've been feeling this creeping since roughly the PPC->Intel
| transition. There was a point where I was turning off more new OS
| X features than using them. The inescapable fact is that if you
| do not want to fully jump into the Apple ecosystem, macOS treats
| you like a second class citizen. I sync my iPhone via lightning
| cable, use Retroactive to install iTunes (it's better than
| Apple's "Music" app if you're managing your own library), get my
| apps via homebrew casks, store my documents locally, and every
| new release of macOS makes these sort of things a little bit
| harder.
|
| As far as security posture goes, I'm not too concerned. Little
| Snitch + Pihole are pretty amazing and I have the skills to stay
| secure. But it is depressing watching from the Catalina shore as
| each year another macOS release takes more autonomy from the
| user.
| dkonofalski wrote:
| I'm genuinely curious why you're doing this. What advantages do
| you get from turning off these features, installing old apps,
| and storing everything locally? I sync via my own server but
| still leave the iCloud backups for Documents on and there's no
| a single reason that I can see to install iTunes that's not
| already done better by other media players without the addition
| of Apple Music (which I use heavily in addition to keeping my
| own music library in Plex).
|
| I feel like making those kinds of concessions means that MacOS
| doesn't treat you as a second-class citizen but that you've
| deliberately chosen to make yourself a second-class citizen. In
| what ways do Linux or Windows (or even older MacOS) treat you
| like a first-class citizen that the new MacOS doesn't anymore?
| DoctorD68 wrote:
| I've started a draft to your comment 3 times now and it
| always becomes a "not your cloud, not your data" rant :) But
| better writers than me have, and continue to, bang that drum
| so I will not right now.
|
| I could write 100 blog posts about this but let me give you
| one good example: Years ago when many people still synced
| their iPhones via cable, you could sync all the major "iLife"
| apps -- photos, music, contacts, calendar etc. When Apple
| released Notes.app, it was around the time the iCloud push
| got really big and more people started using that. To this
| day, you cannot sync Notes.app via cable. It would be a
| trivial thing to implement, but it prevents cloud adoption
| and is so clearly in the "wontfix" category that the only
| conclusion is that it's intentionally left out. Want your
| Mac's notes on your iPhone? Get in the iCloud, citizen, and
| maybe we'll let you.
|
| Bottom line is that if you go back and look at Steve Jobs'
| 2001 digital hub strategy, the futuristic view was one where
| the Mac was the ground truth for your data and your apps. You
| were in charge. You owned the machine, it did what you
| wanted, and you bought neat peripherals that interfaced with
| it like mp3 players and cameras.
|
| But today the "digital hub" is the cloud, and the Mac is just
| another peripheral. Today by default Macs and iPhones need to
| be "activated" via internet connection to reinstall the OS,
| and any peripherals you buy (looking at you, fucking HP/Epson
| shit) will likely force you to create a cloud account which
| means they own it, not you.
|
| <insert cloud rant here>
|
| Side note: Windows is a worse offender, you need look no
| further than Windows 11 and its removal of the local account
| except via extremely technical/hacky means. This is an
| intentionally malicious push to their ecosystem, and one I
| hope Apple does not follow (but essentially has on iOS and I
| won't be surprised if/when macOS follows suit).
|
| PPS. One of the next big pushes here will be passkeys. If
| they can tightly couple your online services to their devices
| for authn then the ease and freedom to migrate systems is
| reduced further, and "knowing" your credentials for an online
| service means nothing. The cloud provider decides if you get
| to access it or not.
| DoctorD68 wrote:
| Oh! I thought of another peak frustration, iOS this time.
| Years ago when you toggled off WiFi and Bluetooth via the
| swipe-down control center it disabled the radios at the
| hardware level. I like this because wifi and bluetooth have
| become de-facto tracking technologies now.
|
| Now it only "disconnects" for 24 hours. This is because Apple
| wants your Bluetooth and Wifi on for aiding in maps and the
| FindMy network etc. It is intentionally misleading and they
| won't even add a Settings toggle for something like "Control
| center radio toggles turn off the hardware". You have to go
| into Settings and then into each WiFi and BT and toggle the
| radio off there.
| daviddever23box wrote:
| Sitting on top of old macOS releases != reasonable security
| posture.
| tptacek wrote:
| To my lights, we're in a bit of a golden age with the Mac
| platform; the newest revision of the M1 Macbooks are some of the
| best they've ever made. I'm not in love with much of the new OS
| stuff, but I don't need to be; I'm mostly not the audience for
| it, and I don't need my OS to have whizzy new stuff just for the
| sake of it.
|
| I have a hard time getting myself wound up over the UI design of
| the System Preferences app.
| enneff wrote:
| TBH the only thing pushing me away from macOS is that there's a
| bunch of stuff running on there by default that I don't
| understand, and I don't really trust Apple's direction wrt
| respecting user privacy.
|
| When I've been using Linux in other contexts lately it's been
| awesome being able to fully understand exactly what each
| process is and why it's running (and to be able to remove it if
| I want to). On my macOS (and windows) boxes I end up trusting
| Apple and Microsoft a lot more than I would actively choose to.
| EricE wrote:
| Agreed. While I loathe the current system preferences app, look
| at what Microsoft started with Windows 8 with the Settings app.
| Almost a decade later and there is still stuff strewn between
| Settings and the original Control Panel. At least Apple ripped
| the band aid off and for better or worse there is only one for
| them to focus on, and no "legacy" piece loitering around giving
| them an excuse to not keep improving the new system
| preferences.
|
| Also I was amused at his notch hostility - I shared the same
| view; until I used a new Mac with the notch and discovered that
| I don't notice it. At all. I thought I would hate it, and I
| can't remember a single time it surfaced other than it coming
| up as a topic and then I notice it.
|
| I'm trying to think of any of the recent changes they made and
| none of them are fatal enough to prevent me from working with
| macOS as I have for decades now, and can think of none. He
| doesn't like stage manager? Big deal. Spaces is still there and
| window management still works the way it always has without it
| - that one was really telling. It's not like they forced it to
| be the only way to manage windows.
| non-nil wrote:
| I'm nursing a Mojave install that I intend to keep around for a
| long time, even though there are newer devices and operating
| systems in my houshold for everyday online stuff.
|
| In terms of the Mac experience, it was quickly downhill from
| Mojave in my opinion (though I'm more fond of Snow Leopard or
| possibly Mavericks aesthetically), plus the 32 bit cutoff which
| kills important backwards compatibility for me.
|
| I already leverage some of the really nifty Mac features like
| Target Disk Mode, cloning and booting from external drives
| etcetera, to enable some hardware agnostic behavior, and will
| eventually move to virtualization, probably through Proxmox.
|
| Not having upgrades introduce breaking changes (Notes.app, I'm
| looking at you!) is such a relief.
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| I am in my 70s, but still do some work as an architect/software
| developer so I am going to hang on to my Mac computers for a
| while.
|
| When I finally get past my "sell by date" and completely stop
| working, I really like the Chromebook since the UI is nice enough
| and the Linux containers work well enough for light weight coding
| for fun projects. I would hang on to my iPhone and Apple Watch.
| Maybe keep an iPad instead of a Chromebook if not having Linux
| containers is OK.
|
| I virtually never turn on any of my Mac computers anymore if I am
| not in work mode. Even with valid criticisms of recent UI
| changes, macOS is great for getting work done.
| streblo wrote:
| It's unfortunate that some of what made MacOS great for
| developers is now being phased out in favor of features that are
| lifted out of iOS. Apple has made developer-hostile moves over
| the years that seem out of line with it's old 'think different'
| ethos. I hope Apple takes this customer segment seriously and
| reverses course here, but I'm not super hopeful.
|
| The real problem is that there isn't a reasonable alternative.
| Windows is out of the question for me due to not being a POSIX-
| based OS. WSL isn't integrated deeply enough and is still a pain
| in the ass to use coming from MacOS. I experimented with using a
| mostly stock Xubuntu setup for a bit and also found the user
| experience to be really subpar. Call me old, but I have no
| interest in dealing with the amount of configuration and tweaking
| necessary to be productive in a Linux environment.
|
| Ultimately, I'm just going to stick it out with MacOS.
| antics9 wrote:
| Try Fedora. My iMac from 2011 is still running strong on that.
| Same on my XPS 13. Haven't needed to do any special
| configuration yet.
| justsomehnguy wrote:
| > is now being phased out in favor of features that are lifted
| out of iOS
|
| I have a sudden flashback of 2012
| [deleted]
| Mikeb85 wrote:
| > I experimented with using a mostly stock Xubuntu setup for a
| bit and also found the user experience to be really subpar.
| Call me old, but I have no interest in dealing with the amount
| of configuration and tweaking necessary to be productive in a
| Linux environment.
|
| Forget what everyone says. Just use Ubuntu (like, regular
| Ubuntu, not some stupid derivative) with everything default.
| It's what you're looking for. It takes zero configuration, is
| super easy to use and is a nice environment.
| CharlesW wrote:
| I'm confused. How is Stage Manager a "developer-hostile move"?
| forrestthewoods wrote:
| Why is POSIX a strict requirement?
|
| > Call me old, but I have no interest in dealing with the
| amount of configuration and tweaking necessary to be productive
| in a Linux environment.
|
| Exactly why I prefer Windows development to macOS and Linux!
| megaman821 wrote:
| MacOS is a great platform but I find all their apps terrible.
| Luckily there is a very active development community and I
| don't have to use any of them. * Finder -> Path
| Finder * Spotlight -> Alfred * Stage
| Manager/Snapping -> Moom * Safari -> Chrome/Firefox
| * Mail/Calendar/Contacts -> Outlook * Photos -> Google
| Photos * Maps -> Google Maps * Weather -> Weather
| Channel * System Sound -> SoundSource * System
| Screen Shots -> Clean Shot X * System Menu Bar ->
| Bartender * Terminal -> iTerm2 * Preview (I
| actually use this one)
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| I've never been able to get a good grip on what people find
| bad about Finder. Once View > Show Path Bar and View > Show
| Status Bar have been selected and current folder searching
| has been enabled in Preferences I don't find it any worse
| than Windows Explorer, GNOME Files, or any of the numerous
| derivations of GNOME Files (Nemo, Thunar, etc).
| megaman821 wrote:
| In my case I just wanted a button on the Finder toolbar
| that opens up the current folder in the default terminal.
| jmbwell wrote:
| I have [right-click/control-click] > Services > New
| Terminal at Folder
|
| Is that standard now, or did I add it long ago and
| forget?
| megaman821 wrote:
| That is standard now. It wasn't when a started using Path
| Finder. I still find it slower than just having the
| button in the toolbar.
| [deleted]
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| There's at least one Finder extension that can add such a
| button.
|
| https://github.com/Ji4n1ng/OpenInTerminal
| Ancapistani wrote:
| I have something that serves a similar purpose - a shell
| script that calls out to AppleScript to get the path of
| the most recently used Finder window and returns it as a
| string: #!/usr/bin/env bash
| #################### # Description: Get the path
| of the most recently used Finder window # Author:
| Ancapistani # Version: 1.0.0
| #################### osascript -e 'tell
| application "Finder"'\ -e "if (${1-1}
| <= (count Finder windows)) then"\ -e
| "get POSIX path of (target of window ${1-1} as alias)"\
| -e 'else' \ -e 'get POSIX path of
| (desktop as alias)'\ -e 'end if' \
| -e 'end tell';
|
| I have this saved as `fpwd` in my shell.
| bcherry wrote:
| wow i had no idea these things could be done. i've just
| suffered in silence for years. thanks for the tips!
| w1nst0nsm1th wrote:
| If you don't have :
|
| * Keyboard Maestro (automation) * BetterTouch Tools (trackpad
| + mouse + shit tons of improvement of Destop Experience) *
| Curio (The best of The bests note taking App by the worst
| greedy dev in the world) * PopClip. * Fantastical (calandar
| app)
|
| You still miss a lot of the potential brought by mac desktop
| develloper API and might as well be better off with a
| chromebook ou a Ubuntu Mate on an old lenovo thinkpad from
| ebay.
| nomel wrote:
| > Apple has made developer-hostile moves over the years that
| seem out of line with it's old 'think different' ethos.
|
| Could you give some examples?
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Windows also has some unfortunate papercuts like font rendering
| that's still optimized for super low rez displays all these
| years later, with bad hinting and kerning. Seriously, this
| drives me nuts. It's better when DPI scaling is above 1.0 but
| it's still not as good as that of macOS or any Linux desktop
| environment.
|
| Also, if you want an application-centric desktop management
| style, macOS is the only game in town. Practically everything
| else follows Win9X conventions in that regard, even the iPadOS-
| reminiscent GNOME. While global menubars can be enabled in KDE
| and added to XFCE, they're only functional in some apps because
| a lot of apps (those built with GTK, mostly) have eschewed
| menubars entirely in favor of that infernal hamburger button.
| MisterTea wrote:
| > Windows is out of the question for me due to not being a
| POSIX-based OS.
|
| Cygwin.
|
| > I experimented with using a mostly stock Xubuntu setup for a
| bit and also found the user experience to be really subpar.
|
| Did you try any other DE such as Cinnamon, mate, KDE or one of
| the many others?
|
| Though I feel my recommendations will fall on deaf ears as I
| have the feeling you're one of those devs that doesn't want to
| put in the effort to learn a new platform and thus will ignore
| any and all advice and go back to whatever abusive platform
| they are familiar with. I get it, time is precious and you just
| want to get work done. But you cant complain about alternatives
| when you aren't willing to put in the effort to learn how to
| use them and help make them better. This isn't an insult mind
| you, just an observation.
| bsnnkv wrote:
| I jumped ship from macOS to Windows back in 2020 and honestly it
| has been great. Most of the time I essentially use Windows as a
| DE for Linux under WSL2.
|
| Especially since the windows-rs[1] crate was published, for me it
| is just so much more infinitely customizable for my needs than
| macOS ever was.
|
| Once you get the hang of the Win32 API (pretty easy with the
| excellent developer documentation), the sky is really the
| limit.[2]
|
| [1]: https://github.com/microsoft/windows-rs
|
| [2]: With the exception of the Virtual Desktops API. I'm still
| salty about this, see more here:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33169588
| DwnVoteHoneyPot wrote:
| Seems like he's just arguing about cosmetics.
|
| System Settings is now vertical instead of rows. Big deal - how
| much time does he spend in System Settings? In command line I
| prefer "ls -la" over "ls". Vertical is faster to read.
|
| An article says Stage Manager can be turned off. I'm using
| AltTab.app to customize my multi-tasking.
| bdougherty wrote:
| It's not about System Settings being vertical now. Just look at
| any of the panels and tell me how the new version is an
| improvement on the old? The panels in System Preferences were
| meticulously designed and the new ones are just a list of
| checkboxes.
| Aaargh20318 wrote:
| > An article says Stage Manager can be turned off.
|
| AFAIK it's off by default and you have to explicitly enable it.
| fxtentacle wrote:
| I'm quite jealous of the nice hardware that Macs have. If Apple
| would commit to first class Linux support, I'd immediately buy a
| set for my family.
|
| But instead of delighting customers, Apple is now chasing the
| mystical "services revenue". In my opinion, that's just a more
| pleasant way of saying "everything will be infested with DRM so
| that we can sell you the same movie multiple times". We can
| already see the start of it with Apple Music which is raising
| prices now that customers are appropriately entrapped and have
| lost their old (purchased) iTunes mp3 collection.
| [deleted]
| jemmyw wrote:
| > My next Mac might be the last
|
| What's the point of writing this? If it was "My current Mac will
| be my last" then that's interesting. But stating that you're
| actually going to buy another one and maybe one after that. Of
| course it might be your last, you might die in a car crash on the
| way home from the store.
|
| My next car might be my last. There's a bunch of things I don't
| like about my current car so I'll make an uninformed guess that
| the next one will have the same problems + some other ones and
| I'll be sick of cars after that.
| hbn wrote:
| So far none of the recent changes to macOS have been any kind of
| deal-breaker to me. But there has been a lot of changes that are
| just... odd.
|
| Catalyst apps suck and don't feel right. For some reason Messages
| just loses typing focus at weird times. I'm sure it's nice for
| Apple to share codebases but for the end user it feels like a
| weird mobile app that had some desktop functionality tacked on at
| the last second.
|
| And the little control center they added to the right of the menu
| bar is just weird cause it's doubled-up implementations of menu
| items I already have. Volume control is already there. Media
| controls are already there. Wifi toggle is already there.
| Bluetooth switcher is already there. Why does this thing exist?
| So it can have bigger controls that look designed for a touch
| screen even though Macs don't have touchscreens (which I'm
| personally fine with)
|
| Thankfully they backtracked on the dumb Safari tab changes where
| they tried to make the web page and browser chrome bleed together
| which was just confusing.
| tristor wrote:
| I've been using Macs exclusively since 2010, and I basically feel
| the same way. The hardware is still fantastic. I still plan to
| replace my 2015 MBP with an M2 Max MBP when they become
| available. But I am intensely frustrated by unnecessary and
| inferior UI changes that would frankly never have passed muster
| when Steve Jobs was alive. I know it's trite to say, but I
| honestly think the current Apple UX team doesn't have the same
| philosophy and understanding of the Apple UX teams of yore.
|
| I say this as someone that has pretty much entirely shifted my
| tech to Apple over the last 5 years. I don't see me going
| elsewhere at the moment, but I do see a shift towards turning Mac
| devices into walled gardens that don't give the user actual
| control similar to iOS devices. I'm fine with that for my phone,
| not for my laptop, end of story.
| turtlebits wrote:
| I don't love everything about MacOS, but the IMO the Apple
| ecosystem is worlds ahead of everything else when it comes to
| amount of time spent using it vs maintenance/tweaking/updating.
|
| As I've gotten older, I have 0 tolerance for spending time
| fiddling with hardware or OS issues. (I've reinstalled/tweaked
| Windows so many times just to keep it running well, let alone
| sitting through install wizards or messing with drivers).
|
| I don't need to shop around for the most reliable hardware, I
| trust Apple that it will be fast enough, ergonomics will be
| better than most, and most importantly - will just work.
| hot_gril wrote:
| Isn't this the same old story since 2008? First they ruined
| iMovie, but they fixed it later. Then they made mistakes in Lion
| which were later fixed. What exactly are the permanent problems
| with macOS, other than maybe iTunes becoming gimped?
| throw7 wrote:
| This guy sounds like how I felt during the gnome 2 -> gnome 3
| shift. Thank goodness I could just stick with mate.
| least wrote:
| I've used Windows, Linux, and MacOS as my primary operating
| system for long stretches of time and I make an effort to stay
| current on all their developments. I personally find MacOS to be
| the right set of compromises for what I primarily do on my
| computer (for now), but that familiarity also means I am much
| more aware _currently_ of all the things that piss me off about
| MacOS. A lot of the criticisms that the author has written here
| are valid. I probably have a larger set of grievances about the
| OS than he does.
|
| Anyone that deeply uses any operating system is going to find
| many things that delight them and many things that are deeply
| frustrating to the point where you think you might want to
| switch... only to find that the grass is not in fact greener on
| the other side, you're simply given a different set of delights
| and frustrations.
|
| I just don't really know what someone like this expects to do.
| Just use Mojave into perpetuity? That won't work for all that
| long. Switch to Windows or Linux? He might luck out and find that
| they serve his needs better, but more than likely he'll just find
| them frustrating to use too. I think one ultimately has to accept
| that whatever they choose to use (or eschew computers entirely)
| that they'll be dealing with a lot of frustrations. There is no
| panacea.
| rhaway84773 wrote:
| In a strange way, part of Apple's downfall with multi-tasking IMO
| is because they basically got it right the first time.
|
| The early versions of Expose were brilliant. One version which
| displayed all windows that were open, and another version which
| displayed windows for the current app. You could trigger it via
| the Keyboard, Hot Corners, or trackpad or mouse gestures (I'm not
| sure about the mouse gestures though).
|
| Further, the windows largely maintained their spatial
| configuration as well as their relative sizes.
|
| This was pretty much perfect and I've not seen any other
| implementation that does this better (Gnome is actually getting
| there by doing a good job of recreating Expose but adding
| Workspaces to it).
|
| The problem for Apple was that they need to keep changing
| prominent visual elements to indicate progress, even if the
| elements get functionally worse. This led to first losing the
| spatial configuration and relative sizing. Then it morphed into
| Mission Control which tried to overload a highly successful Mac
| OS X feature, Expose, to promote workspaces and then full screen
| apps. And once Mission Control got long in the tooth it had to
| change for marketing reasons, so we get Stage Manager.
|
| I suspect if Stage Manager or Mission Control would have come
| first, Max OS X would likely have evolved towards something like
| the original Expose instead and everyone would have been happier
| for it.
| tpmx wrote:
| What will Riccardo use instead?
|
| Windows? That's a joke. It's a fine platform for gaming and
| probably still the most performant platform for web browsing (I
| personally value that highly), but not really built for
| development (except for development of games, I guess).
|
| Desktop Linux/Gnome: Excellent for actual development work, but
| not great elsewhere.
| ok_dad wrote:
| I absolutely detest using Windows, I refuse to work for a
| company that would have me use Windows, but even a rabid Linux
| fanboy like myself knows that Windows is suited perfectly fine
| for a lot of development work, like all that enterprise crap I
| try to stay away from, but Windows still has a valid use for
| developing some things.
| brokencode wrote:
| I develop on Windows every day and have no issues with it. It
| works great if you primarily use an IDE like Visual Studio
| Code, and especially if you are working with .NET or
| Typescript.
| Apocryphon wrote:
| BSD - ravynOS
| ascrazy wrote:
| With WSL2, Windows is just as good development platform as
| Linux but with great access to good looking/working consumer
| software. Way better than macos.
| Woeps wrote:
| I'm almost with you on this one.
|
| Virtualization and containers are still very very finicky on
| wsl.
|
| But it's 95% of the way there. And I don't mind using it.
|
| On the flip side, all these electron apps make it so lots of
| stuff just works on Linux as well.
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| > Windows? That's a joke. It's a fine platform for gaming and
| web browsing, but not for development.
|
| With WSL, I actually find Windows a better backend development
| platform than Mac.
| xorl wrote:
| I live in WSL for all my Dev work outside of Mac based apps.
| WSL allows me not to dual boot, still use "work" required
| applications w/out having a lot of issues and completing
| everything I need in one ecosystem.
| specialp wrote:
| Agreed strongly. I would rather develop on Linux as my
| development environment will not be destroyed on updates, and
| my applications run on Linux based systems. The only thing
| that saves MacOS from being completely unworkable is that
| there are so many devs on Macs, so workarounds/fixes to the
| breakage done to *nix subsystems are plentiful.
| sublinear wrote:
| I agree. Ubuntu and VSCode has been the typical dev
| environment on most company-issued Windows machines for years
| now.
| 0_____0 wrote:
| What does development mean to you? Working on stuff that lives
| in the cloud? I think you may be taking a very limited view of
| what people need from their work machines.
| wildrhythms wrote:
| A UNIX OS that lets me begrudgingly run certain Adobe
| products from time to time.
| tpmx wrote:
| It means mostly backend development. There is a whole lot of
| reading, a whole lot of real-time audio/video communication
| (via all possible communication platforms), a whole lot of
| web browsing, a whole lot of editing, containerization, lots
| of command line work utilizing my Unix/Linux knowledge from
| the past 20 years etc.
| thefz wrote:
| I've been developing on Windows since .NET 3.5 and man, you can
| definitely do that. And .NET is a joy to use, too.
| schwartzworld wrote:
| Sounds like dual booting Linux and Windows is a good solution
| if you want to develop and play games.
|
| Desktop Linux is pretty serviceable for any tasks that aren't
| gaming. It may require learning different tools if you are used
| to Microsoft/adobe products, but the alternatives do exist. If
| you're doing command line work, it's better on Linux than osx
| anyway.
| beebeepka wrote:
| I'd say desktop Linux is great. To me, it's been better than
| windows and mac for a while.
|
| Gaming is not great but pretty good. Certainly better than
| what's possible on a Mac. Updates do break my StarCraft 2
| once or twice an year but pretty much everything else I care
| about works.
|
| If anyone @ Valve is reading this: get back to fixing VR on
| Linux. My Index is almost useless these days. Fix your
| vrcomposer
| tpmx wrote:
| I just have a separate machine for Windows. That's not the
| concern.
| dleslie wrote:
| Steam's Proton means just about every Windows game of note
| works well on Linux, now. And yes, it works with non-Steam
| games; you don't even need to use the Steam Launcher, and can
| use an alternative (like Heroic Launcher) instead.
| Karunamon wrote:
| Let us not oversell Proton. While the compatibility story
| now is better than it ever has been, only about 26% of the
| top 100 games on Steam work without substantial tinkering
| or other problems. And most of that is going to be due to
| multiplayer games and developer/publisher anti-cheat
| obstinance.
|
| Statistically speaking, the games the average person would
| most likely want to play likely still do not run, or do not
| run without problems or tinkering required.
| dleslie wrote:
| Where are you getting that 26% from? PCGamesN reported,
| last year, that around 70% of the top 100 were supported.
| It's a different story for SteamDeck, which has further
| constraints due to its unconventional screen size; but
| even then, ProtonDB claims at least 48% of the top 100
| are playable on the Deck[1]. In my experience, just about
| any game that didn't work well on my Deck does work well
| after I switch it to Proton Experimental.
|
| 0: https://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-deck/top-100-games-
| proton-com...
|
| 1: https://www.protondb.com/
| Karunamon wrote:
| From the ProtonDB dashboard. Top 100, ProtonDB click play
| ratings system. 26% of those games are tier 1 or tier 2
| (no way to give a direct link here).
|
| You could go by the old the medal system, which looks
| promising at first glance, but "gold" basically means
| "playable". Platinum is the real metric there, and can be
| understood to mean "plays as well as it does on its
| native platform". There are game issues in gold rated
| titles that would lead to mass complaints and refunds if
| they existed on the native platform. That is kind of my
| point. "Playable" is way too low of a bar.
| llanowarelves wrote:
| Windows is a terrible development environment: it prioritizes
| stable APIs and backwards compatibility, unlike OS X and Linux.
| tpmx wrote:
| Almost noone cares outside of the legacy corporate world -
| the selling of software via binaries is a niche thing these
| days.
| woah wrote:
| Somebody should make a compendium of the thousands of blog posts
| from programmers threatening to leave Mac because of graphic
| design reasons over the past 20 years.
| tambourine_man wrote:
| I mostly agree with the author. Having been a Mac user for almost
| 40 years, the recent disaster in usability and aesthetics is
| disheartening.
|
| The thing is, Windows is still a lot worse and not getting any
| better.
|
| Linux... I'm actually afraid I'd devote my life to endless
| configuration and frustration while having to deal with a Windows
| VM with GPU passthrough and whatnot. Or constant dual boot. Or a
| KVM. Who knows.
|
| So Mac it is for now. Please stop breaking our favorite OS,
| Apple.
| coding123 wrote:
| I sometimes feel like Apple is catering to me: A convert of the
| last 3/4 years. Used Windows forever, dabbled in Linux for a
| while, saw everyone at conferences presenting from a Mac, so why
| the heck not. It's the 2018+ crowd that seems to be adopting at
| rates high enough that it's making the 2018- crowd feel their OS
| is getting ripped up.
| bdougherty wrote:
| It _is_ getting ripped up, but all the new people on the
| platform are unaware of how much better it was before. I don 't
| think anybody has issues changing things to make them better
| for newcomers as long as Apple doesn't throw out all of their
| design principles to do it (which is what they have been
| doing).
| mfarris wrote:
| I regularly use a 10.4 Tiger machine for music and graphic
| projects and it is a breath of fresh air compared to where MacOS
| is today. My daily drivers are Mavericks/Mojave/Mojave but
| recently got an M1 iMac with Monterey. Nothing about
| Mojave-->Monterey feels like an improvement.
|
| Aside from high-DPI, I'd be pressed to think of a single Mac
| interface convention or element that is better today than 2005.
| Many are a lot worse.
| Tagbert wrote:
| Tabs as a first-class UI element used in many apps is a big
| improvement. They are a big part of how I use Finder for
| instance.
| taylodl wrote:
| The guy hates macOS so much he's buying another Mac? Seems
| strange to me. If macOS is so awful then why not leave it today?
| Why wait another five or more years?
|
| As far as Apple's strategy is concerned it makes sense to me.
| There's an order of magnitude more iPadOS and iOS users than
| there are macOS users. Why not make it easier for them to migrate
| to the platform? Who knows? Maybe one day Apple will realize that
| what's needed is an Macbook that you can bend the screen back
| flat and use like an iPad? The more the UI's are unified the more
| likely it is we'll see such a machine.
| hot_gril wrote:
| > The guy hates macOS so much he's buying another Mac? Seems
| strange to me. If macOS is so awful then why not leave it
| today? Why wait another five or more years?
|
| I think the answer is that he's not really leaving.
| sylens wrote:
| Article correctly calls out how they are ripping out perfectly
| good parts of macOS like System Preferences to replace them with
| an iOS-ified version. Instead of delivering features power users
| might want (proper window snapping/tiling!), the press release
| announcing Ventura talks up the new Weather app (from iOS) and
| Stage Manager, a horrible solution on both macOS and iPadOS.
| trollied wrote:
| They are slowly changing iPadOS and macOS to bring them closer
| & closer together. I have a feeling that they are going to be
| one & the same in 3 or so versions.
| pornel wrote:
| Except the macOS bug of being able to run 3rd party
| applications that don't pay 30% cut to Apple.
| RockRobotRock wrote:
| And being able to run a browser that isn't based on WebKit
| :)
| dkonofalski wrote:
| But what the article doesn't really do _at all_ is clarify why
| doing this replacement is a bad thing. For the _vast majority_
| of MacOS users, this will be a good thing because most of them
| are using iOS /iPadOS as their first point of content. Making
| things seamless across all these devices might be, at most, a
| slight inconvenience for power users but it will be an
| improvement for literally everyone else.
|
| Hacker News is obviously a different demographic but no tech
| company is going to cater to power users. There's not enough of
| us for anyone to take what we say meaningfully.
| ohCh6zos wrote:
| I have been an Apple user since 1990, and I think you are
| absolutely right. In my mind iPad OS and iOS are so bad I
| don't want my Mac taking any inspiration from them, but I bet
| the average user wants something familiar to those two
| platforms.
| dkonofalski wrote:
| The ideal situation, for me, would be some kind of
| progressive disclosure or a way to toggle "Advanced"
| versions of these panels and sections but I totally get why
| Apple wouldn't want to do that. It's double the work for
| such a small crowd.
| timw4mail wrote:
| As an old Mac user I loathe iOS.
| shikshake wrote:
| There are plenty of great third party tools that do power user
| features (including window snapping/tiling). Apple is better at
| defining a workflow and toolset for casual users and forcing
| them to adapt to the Apple way. Power users would naturally
| push back if Apple did a similar thing for them. So I think
| it's better that they leave any advanced features to outside
| developers.
| tinus_hn wrote:
| Alternatively things like 'proper window snapping/tiling' are
| pet issues of a vocal minority and 99% of Apples users don't
| care about them.
| FredPret wrote:
| I'm new to MacOS but there's a $4 app that enables window
| snapping. I know it's annoying to pay for that but it's still
| worth it in the big picture
| CharlesW wrote:
| In addition to the other free apps people have mentioned, the
| indispensable Raycast does windows management too.
| https://www.raycast.com/
| ace2358 wrote:
| Open source version of the app:
|
| https://rectangleapp.com/
| toqy wrote:
| There's also free ones, such as https://rectangleapp.com/
|
| It does have a paid upgrade, but i've not found it necessary
| viktorcode wrote:
| There are free apps too.
| ttfkam wrote:
| MacOS Ventura review on Ars Technica
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/macos-13-ventura-the...
| wellthisisgreat wrote:
| What is the upside of Stage Manager?
|
| I love me some new features, but I turned this on, and it's some
| weird motion-sickness inducing always-on cmd+tab monstrosity.
|
| Is it supposed to learn about my usage habits and adapt?
| fdgsdfogijq wrote:
| In the last six months I have purchased:
|
| 16 inch M1 Max ~4k
|
| Apple Watch Ultra ~800
|
| Air pods pro 2 ~250
|
| 13 inch M1 16 GB ~2000
|
| = 7000 dollars.
|
| A huge spend and I don't regret one single purchase. Each
| subsequent product interfaces extremely well with the ecosystem.
| I no longer carry my phone with me 80% of the time. I bring my
| watch and usually have a laptop if needed.
| constantcrying wrote:
| jollyllama wrote:
| Interesting. Does the watch have a cellular connection? I
| thought it piggybacked off of an iphone.
| fdgsdfogijq wrote:
| Yeah the cellular connection is 10 bucks a month. But I can
| talk on the phone/receive texts like its a phone.
| FredPret wrote:
| Not OP but yes, if you buy the pricier model, it has its own
| data plan.
| FredPret wrote:
| I won an iPad years ago. It was so much smoother than my
| Samsung. Fast forward to today, and I'm in a similar situation
| as you.
|
| I keep throwing money at Apple and they almost never
| disappoint.
| etrautmann wrote:
| Do you text with friends, family, or colleagues, and if so, is
| it from the laptop? I find my communication hampered without
| the phone, but like the idea of leaving it away from me more
| often.
| fdgsdfogijq wrote:
| The texting is actually pretty good from the watch, can use
| Siri or type into the watch keyboard. Same with phone calls,
| I use the air pods to connect and its like talking on a
| regular phone.
|
| Apple pay works very well. Get emails, slack messages, etc.
| Can easily reply to slack messages from the watch. Cant see
| conversations but
|
| Basically everything works that I need.
|
| Alot of apps dont work, but thats the point. I dont need
| those apps all the time.
| tannedNerd wrote:
| Yeah iMessage has a pretty great tie in with iPhones to the
| point that they don't even have to be on the same network to
| send an sms from your laptop via your phone.
| FredPret wrote:
| Just remember to deregister your number if you ever move
| off of Apple, or else every text from any iPhone to you
| will disappear into the void
| dkonofalski wrote:
| This used to be true but is not true anymore.
| ideamotor wrote:
| Link?
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| I actually like the new system settings. Feels much better
| organized than the previous version, and has space for adding new
| settings. I even noticed apple using the new space to show things
| like user groups, and rouge login items (I seriously found a
| Corel draw login item in there that I immediately discarded).
| CharlesW wrote:
| Agreed, System Settings really needed an update and is better
| for it. There's a bit of weirdness at the moment since
| apps/utilities make now-incorrect assumptions about where
| permissions are, but that'll be a memory soon.
|
| Stage Manager was opt-in for me and doesn't solve a problem
| that I have, but I think it's a great sign that Apple continues
| to try new things.
| prh8 wrote:
| It's much better, it's pretty hilarious that was the example
| used for the article.
| jmbwell wrote:
| Oof. Just last night I reset one of my personal systems to its
| original Yosemite. It couldn't access the app store or many
| modern web sites because of obsolete SSL. I manually upgraded to
| Sierra. It barely worked with iCloud and keychain. Getting it up
| to Mojave felt so much better.
|
| I hate that 32-bit got left behind, and I bemoan apparent
| "planned obsolescence" as much as anyone. But the fact is that
| these latest OSes are coming with genuine improvements in
| security posture. The point that the UI changes are sometimes
| unwelcome is well-taken, and I can see how the changes in
| security technologies change the experience for the user in
| sometimes awkward or baffling ways. Totally get it. But when it
| comes to stuff like this, I'm afraid the only way through it is
| forward.
| nipponese wrote:
| > But what about security? Are you sure you want to stay on an
| older version of Mac OS? -- Thankfully I'm tech-savvy enough to
| know what I'm doing. The two Macs I use most are still on High
| Sierra and Mojave, and haven't received security updates in quite
| a while.
|
| Good luck with that.
| cglong wrote:
| As someone who said "My next iPhone might be my last", just go
| ahead and leave the platform now. I ended up being irritated with
| so many things about that iPhone, looking longingly at the other
| side. You can always switch back later if things improve :)
| FigurativeVoid wrote:
| Just curious, what did you end up switching to?
| cglong wrote:
| I ended up getting a Pixel 4 and love it! Newer Pixels are
| too big for me though, so my next purchase will most likely
| be an Asus Zenfone.
| yumraj wrote:
| Sometimes I wonder if such blogs are written just because the
| author needs/wants to publish a blog at some frequency for
| whatever reason.
|
| I fail to take a blog that talks about how their "next" Mac
| "might" be the last, seriously.
|
| I would have paid some attention if the blog was about how their
| current Mac "might" be the last, and definitely more if their
| current Mac would "most definitely be" the last.
|
| I guess I should work on my _next_ blog: My next space travel
| might be the last ..
| mcbuilder wrote:
| For me I have to look at the battery life to performance
| tradeoff, and Apple hardware seems to win that game against Intel
| and AMD. I hope that a more open perhaps RISC-V SoC thing appears
| and a company like Framework could put it into modules or I could
| hack it into my Frakenpads, but until then it's Apple Silicon. OS
| wise Asahi has you covered for a hobbyist grade Linux experience.
| Probably get something ARM or x86 if using an open source
| operating system is important.
| sosodev wrote:
| Why buy a Mac if you're just going to immediately downgrade?
| Maybe I'm wrong but I can't imagine that outdated versions of
| MacOS will remain for productive for very long.
|
| I also find it odd that many Mac users in this thread claim that
| Linux requires too much tweaking. I've been daily driving Linux
| for years and I feel like I spend more time fiddling trying to
| get stuff to work correctly on my Mac work laptop. Perhaps it's
| just a matter of perspective?
| northisup wrote:
| tomcam wrote:
| > To me, Stage Manager is as useful and practical an addition to
| Mac OS as putting a USB numeric keypad inside the packaging of a
| new MacBook Pro.
|
| Not trying to be silly here. Probably need my brain calibrated
| here,
|
| I would love the inclusion of a keypad and would find it
| incredibly useful, especially for accessibility reasons. So I
| find the idea delightful, which I suspect is not the way it
| supposed to strike me. I am assuming one is supposed to find that
| idea exotically stupid and niche?
| dkonofalski wrote:
| I think he's trying to say, albeit poorly in my estimation,
| that adding a USB keypad in the box defeats the purpose of
| having a portable machine? I'm only assuming that because
| they're suggesting that Stage Manager is impractical and not
| useful for them and USB keypads seem impractical for a laptop
| and would be unused by the majority of people using Macbooks(?)
| Pro.
| tomcam wrote:
| That interpretation makes a lot of sense
| jdlyga wrote:
| I couldn't even suggest a good alternative:
|
| Windows: Windows 11 is a mixed bag with some better design and
| some worse. Currently, it's a bit of a step backwards. Windows 10
| is pretty ok though.
|
| Ubuntu: I wouldn't say Ubuntu is in a better place now with Gnome
| than it was 5 years ago. It works well, but it doesn't have the
| cool factor that Unity did and is missing a lot of its features.
| Ubuntu Unity exists, but it's a little buggy and not as polished
| as back in the 16.04 days. You could always go KDE Plasma (or
| MATE if you're old school).
|
| There's the rabbit hole of other Linux distributions, my favorite
| alternative being Arch. But depends on your tolerance for
| tweaking.
| tapoxi wrote:
| Fedora deserves a mention as a solid desktop alternative to
| Ubuntu. It ships very up-to-date packages but doesn't require
| as much tweaking as, say, Arch. The default 'spin' is GNOME but
| they provide excellent support for Plasma, Cinnamon, etc.
|
| I also think dnf is a more powerful and easier package manager
| than apt.
| didibus wrote:
| I think KDE Plasma is great, highly recommend it.
| tmtvl wrote:
| I like KDE, not the biggest fan of Kwin, but I've replaced it
| with awesome and it's a really nice experience.
| zekrioca wrote:
| You forgot to mention Ubuntu's worse part which is snap :)
| wvenable wrote:
| I was going to say something similar. The same sort of
| complaints this author has about Mac OS could be made about
| Windows 11. Linux desktop environments are worse because they
| go through the same cycle of changes in half the time.
|
| What we really want is design stability. We do want
| improvements but we don't want wholesale conceptual changes in
| our desktop environments every few years.
| hot_gril wrote:
| I'm a SWE, I've been a DBA and a sysadmin, and I've been using
| Linux on servers for a long time, but on the desktop I'm just a
| user who doesn't care to understand the inner workings of the
| stuff that's supposed to just work for me. This KDE, GNOME,
| XFCE, Cinnamon, X vs Wayland, Unity, MATE, Plasma, whatever GUI
| stuff is way too confusing and not worth my time. Just sticking
| to the default in Ubuntu doesn't help much when even that keeps
| changing a ton, which is unbelievable. Why do they get users
| accustomed to something only to swap it out?
| dleslie wrote:
| Debian + MATE/Plasma is a great option, IMHO; great hardware
| support, no snap, and a fabulous desktop experience.
| psychstudio wrote:
| Honestly, Xubuntu and then forget about it for the next decade.
| I get it, xfce doesn't have the "cool" factor but it just works
| and keeps on doing so.
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| I switched from Windows to Fedora Linux on all of my machines
| about 2+ years ago and it's been great! I will never go back. I
| do keep a totally empty Windows install for one game that I
| can't play though (Escape from Tarkov).
| antifa wrote:
| I think garuda-mate is a good arch variant for this purpose.
| acomjean wrote:
| I moved from mac to linux at work. Its been fine.
|
| Pop!_OS. Its Ubuntu at its core, but somehow is better.
|
| It took me a bit to get over not having MS Office, but honestly
| as a development box, it works much better.
| alluro2 wrote:
| I got tired of Mac, weird and forced UI choices, inflexibility,
| so much RAM use, and feeling like it slowed down 50% over a
| course of 2-3 years despite having a fixed set of software on
| it
|
| Tried Windows 11, and despite really wanting to like it, it
| left an impression of utterly unbelievable level of unpolished
| and unfinished mess, with basic features missing (primarily
| taskbar related) and still, after all these years, just being a
| skin over ever-present (and still there) Win95-era dialogs. I
| understand Windows 8 keeping the old Control Panel and having a
| weird and weak replacement with a new skin for it in parallel,
| but come on, we've had Win 10 for years and Win 11 still hasn't
| moved a bit from that same crap?
|
| Switched to Manjaro (Arch-based distro), and KDE Plasma, spent
| a couple of days tinkering and customizing and have never been
| happier with my quick, light, rock-solid, completely
| customizable and fancy environment, that served me impeccably
| for 1.5 years until I was too tempted with MBP 14. It is a
| great device hardware-wise, but Mac OS has been a definite leap
| back, and I would pay hundreds of dollars to be able to put my
| Linux on MBP with everything working.
| enneff wrote:
| Am I the only one here who finds the title and central message of
| this post totally ridiculous? Like "I don't like what Apple are
| doing so I'm only going to give them a few more thousand bucks,
| but then in a few more years I'm probably gonna switch to another
| OS!!!"
| chipotle_coyote wrote:
| You are not. :)
| digitthedog wrote:
| More or less saying "the UI has gone bad", but not in the
| functional sense. It's gone bad in the sense of UI principals and
| aesthetics, but not usability. Not a single complaint about
| usability.
|
| Not just click-bait, it's trolling.
| briantkelley wrote:
| I totally agree with the author's summary:
|
| > That trepidation and sinking feeling of "What are they going to
| break this time?" every time the WWDC's date approaches, has been
| wearing me down in the past few years. What one should feel,
| instead, is: "Apple got this. I'm in good hands. I see no reason
| not to upgrade straight away." And I haven't felt this in a long
| time.
|
| I haven't looked forward to a release since Snow Leopard, and
| High Sierra was the only usable version after that. Mojave and
| onward have been just dreadful. Mac software hasn't been fun,
| exciting, or good in a long time, sadly.
| dkonofalski wrote:
| I might agree with the summary if there was any examples given
| of what they're referring to. If there was even a small list of
| things that Apple broke every WWDC that anyone besides extreme
| power users cared about, the point might actually be made. As
| it stands, it's a lot of "feelings" and not enough substance.
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