[HN Gopher] Hitting a Moose
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Hitting a Moose
Author : quickfox
Score : 62 points
Date : 2022-10-21 19:14 UTC (1 days ago)
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| deliciousturkey wrote:
| Modern cars are much better with moose crashes. A couple of years
| ago I was in driving back from grocery store, just south of
| Sodankyla in northern Finland, during the darkest times of
| winter, when the car in front of me crashed into a moose. The
| moose bounced multiple meters into the air from the windshield of
| the car in front of me, and I needed to do the typical evasive
| maneuver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test) to avoid the
| flying moose. I'd estimate that the crash happened with speed of
| around 40-50 km/h.
|
| The person driving the car in front of me survived unscathed,
| without any injury. The car (2010's VW Passat) very likely was a
| loss though. This just tells how good modern cars are with these
| kinds of crashes.
|
| In Finland there are about 1000-2000 moose crashes every year,
| but only around 1-4 people die from them.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| "The winch was rated to handle the moose's weight--roughly 1,500
| pounds"
|
| Permit me on this wonderful Saturday morning to be tangentially
| pedantic.
|
| I imagine the true "weight" of dragging a moose across the ground
| is a lot more than 1500lbs by probably many multiples?
| kache_ wrote:
| The guy nearly died man give him a break lmao
| peteradio wrote:
| I don't need to be able to lift 200 lbs to pull 200 lbs...
| Waterluvian wrote:
| Yeah... I'm not actually sure what the right numbers would
| be.
|
| I have to imagine that dragging 1500lbs across rough terrain
| and up out of a ditch might have a peak load greater than
| 1500lbs?
| nkrisc wrote:
| It's been a while since high school physics, so I may be way
| off, but you only need to overcome the static friction of the
| object and surface.
|
| It's the reason I can push a large piece of furniture across a
| floor even though I could never lift it myself.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I think you're right and my intuition is way off.
|
| Now I'm curious if the load is ever going to be greater than
| a dead lift, assuming no edge cases like being blocked behind
| a boulder. Ie. Just general ground friction and some incline
| plane angle less than 90deg.
| jameshart wrote:
| For the inclined plane scenario, if you're applying a force
| _horizontally_ (eg by dragging with a rope) and the object
| has to slide up and over an inclined bump... even a
| _frictionless_ incline of 45deg will require you to pull
| horizontally with the more force than the object's weight
| in order to get it to move.
| invalidator wrote:
| That's determined by the coefficient of friction between
| the load and the surface. A coefficient of 1 means the
| force to drag is equal to the normal force (ie, the dead
| lift). Most things (including moose fur on soil) have a
| coefficient < 1, but it's not hard to engineer combinations
| > 1, such as race tires on asphalt.
| gfna wrote:
| I have been waiting for being able to use this link for
| some time now. Perhaps the results of dragging sheep are
| correlated: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12507336/
| jameshart wrote:
| Valid for a spherical moose on a smooth plane with constant
| coefficient of friction, sure.
|
| But an object dragged across a real surface will catch on
| things, and the force to overcome that is going to depend on
| the breaking strain of the objects and the elastic
| coefficients required to deform them.
|
| That's the reason that even a winch rated to the weight of
| your sofa can't pull it through a doorway that's too small
| for it.
| is_true wrote:
| Are you saying that he should've bought a lighter winch and a
| pair of wheels?
| rolph wrote:
| heavier winch about 2ton or he should have gut n cut it into
| quarters right there
| codazoda wrote:
| But that would cover him in grass, perhaps. The quartering
| I mean.
| kache_ wrote:
| People don't realize how truly massive moose are. They are
| literal alien monsters that tower over. First time I saw one I
| was shocked. They just step over fences like they aren't even
| there.
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| people also don't realize how massive and deadly are cars,
| until they walk or ride a bike along the road borders
| jesse__ wrote:
| I drove by a small female in a large 1 ton dodge last year and
| she was still 2 or 3 feet taller than the cab of the truck.
| They're huuuuge!
| bombcar wrote:
| Deer cause enough damage, and they're tiny compared to a moose.
|
| I'd much rather be bit by a moose than hit a moose.
| brudgers wrote:
| A Moose once bit my sister.
| tartoran wrote:
| Ouch. Did she require serious medical care?
| tpm wrote:
| That's a Monty Python reference.
|
| https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/crazycredits
| brudgers wrote:
| No seriously, moose bites can be pretty nasty.
| hprotagonist wrote:
| Mynd you, moose bites Kan be pretti nasti
| ghaff wrote:
| It's not just their mass and general size. Moose have very long
| legs so, in a collision, a lot of the front car parts designed
| to absorb energy can end up largely passing under the bulk of
| the moose and upper structure offers relatively little
| protection.
| chewbacha wrote:
| A full-grown bull moose can run up to 35 mph. So, unless you
| are traveling faster than that, I don't think it makes a
| difference who hits who. ;)
| cwillu wrote:
| Now imagine what that moose could do if it was an _educated_
| moose?
|
| https://globalnews.ca/news/8349864/moose-saskatoon-school/
| Zak wrote:
| The grandparent comment says "be _bit_ by a moose ", so
| that's a slightly different scenario. Of course if it's
| biting out of fear or aggression, it's also likely to knock
| you down and stomp on you, and you probably wouldn't rather
| have that. It's not rare for moose to kill people that way.
|
| As for collisions, the highway the author was driving on has
| a speed limit of 55 or 65 MPH in most areas, and people often
| treat speed limits as suggestions. I had a near miss with a
| moose on the same highway, after which I would suggest taking
| the speed limit seriously.
| chewbacha wrote:
| Oh, that's fair, I misread the wording.
| hobs wrote:
| Having seen a moose truck through five foot deep snow like it
| wasn't even there I can attest being hit by a moose is a one
| way ticket to your maker.
| franksvalli wrote:
| It's definitely no joke! When I hiked half the Appalachian Trail
| and eventually made it to Maine, a shuttle driver that came out
| to pick us up from a nearby hostel talked about how he'd lost
| several friends to car accidents due to moose collisions. He was
| intensely interested in arriving back at the hostel before dark.
|
| He also had some sort of decoration made out of moose scat
| decoration hanging from the rearview mirror and was also trying
| to convince us passengers of the many uses of moose scats - skin
| remedies, even ingestion. But that's another story!
| hammock wrote:
| Sadly the moose pop in Maine has declined by like 70% or
| something due to the proliferation of winter tick
| gvb wrote:
| "What Happens When You Actually Hit a Moose? Volvo Has a Moose-
| Strike Test for That." (2018)
|
| https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a22604428/what-happens...
| eesmith wrote:
| Did they get the idea from Saab?
| https://www.saabplanet.com/frontal-collision-of-saab-and-moo...
|
| > In order to reduce the number of injuries caused by passenger
| cars colliding with moose - Saab engineers have designed a
| Moose Test - Unique in Industry. This research and subsequent
| changes in Saab cars design - have saved many lives on the
| roads
|
| I was told the Saab 900s were designed to handle moose
| collisions.
| hourago wrote:
| It makes a lot of sense. To drive around Sweden at night is a
| scary experience.
|
| As you drive thru the dark road deer look at you from the
| sides, that ones are not the problem as one can see them. After
| several hours you pass a big dead male moose on the side of the
| road. Its big antlers are covered with yellow police ribbon
| that turns bright as your car illuminates it. You think that
| you are lucky to have not been there when it decided to cross,
| someone else got that unlucky surprise. You feel even more
| uneasy for the rest of the trip.
| rolph wrote:
| Alaskan moose stand about 7 feet tall at the shoulder when
| mature, alot of that is just long legs, but a complete bull moose
| can easily be 3/4 ton.
|
| most collisions with cars end up clipping the legs out under it
| and the moose goes straight through the windshield at whatever
| speed you were moving.
|
| for those reasons and others large trucks are the rule, and cars
| are a risk.
|
| moose here are mostly crepuscular, active during dawn and dusk,
| and chillin in between. they are very hard to spot except for
| eyes reflecting light [catlike]
|
| Its common to have high intensity long throw LED lights[i call'em
| moose blasters] mounted on your rig so you have a chance to see
| them, and have time to react.
|
| there is a list here of experiences that you must compleate, to
| be considered, a seasoned skookum alaskan, moose collision is one
| of them.
| jcadam wrote:
| I've lived in Alaska (Kenai Peninsula) about 18 months now.
| Haven't hit a moose yet (knocks on wood). Have had to brake a
| little hard a couple times in my F-150, though.
|
| There are "scoreboards" along some stretches of the highway
| showing the number of moose killed so far in a year.
|
| I see a few people driving Priuses. I don't think they'll last
| very long.
| rolph wrote:
| yup theyre along the whole highway, the article was a little
| out of date,though the moose isnt yours if its a road kill,
| its state property [the state claims ownership of moose but
| shirks stewardship] and its ?donated? in someway to food
| security solutions [giveaways to people who have insecure/no
| food supply]
|
| its an offence to just take roadkill moose. its also an
| offence to allow it to spoil by not reporting it.
| Scoundreller wrote:
| At least in Alaska you probably don't salt the roads. In places
| that do, the road actually baits deer and moose.
|
| And sometimes go for the salt on your vehicle:
|
| https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/11/23/worl...
| chrsig wrote:
| Growing up in rural New England, every now and then we'd have
| some moose wandering through. One jumped over my dads car,
| leaving a pretty significant dent. Moose walked away unphased.
|
| The thing to know about moose: they don't give a fuck. they're a
| goddamn moose, and they'll go where they please and be there for
| as long as they like. The fuck you gonna do about it?
|
| And when you're stopped in the middle of the road waiting for the
| moose to deign to let you by, you just keep reminding yourself of
| that little fact, and remember how to be patient.
| dreamcompiler wrote:
| When we camped in our RV at a park in western Wyoming we
| couldn't open our door one morning. I kept pushing on the door
| but it wouldn't move. Turned out there were 3 or 4 moose cows
| with their calves just outside and one cow was leaning against
| the door and she wouldn't move.
|
| Finally I got the bright idea to dangle a carrot through a
| crack in the door. She took it and moved away so we could exit.
|
| Those were some smart moose.
| [deleted]
| rojobuffalo wrote:
| a guy won an Ignobel prize this year for his moose crash test
| dummy paper https://www.diva-
| portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A673... . one of his
| suggestions if you're suddenly about to hit a moose, steer
| towards the rear. since the moose will move forward you have a
| better chance if you veer your car towards its rear end.
| dghughes wrote:
| I live in the only Canadian province that doesn't have moose, or
| bears, or deer, or any large animals other farm animals. Even
| skunks were imported (and escaped) as a cheaper replacement for
| fox fur. We don't have the experience of being aware of large
| animals on rural roads. Most times it is known if a cow or a
| horse is on the loose.
|
| When I travel to neighbouring provinces I am nervous driving on
| the highway. Especially in the fall when it starts to get dark
| early or the sun is low on the horizon longer. I've seen moose on
| the side of the road with their dark brown velvety fur. Females
| and juveniles are the worst since no antlers makes for a stealthy
| profile, males still have antlers until mid-winter.
|
| It's such perfect camouflage even when lit by car headlights. Car
| headlights are made to look forward not to the side. Often a
| moose just appears out of nowhere the few times I have been lucky
| to miss one the few times I am on the road in areas with moose.
|
| Let's just say I'm glad we don't have to worry about such things
| here.
| racl101 wrote:
| Don't bury the lede. What province is that?
| mgsouth wrote:
| I'm guessing Prince Edward Island.
| rasterdog wrote:
| I was enjoying the beginning of this article so I wanted to save
| it as a PDF for review later when I would be off-grid BUT NOEP
| CANNOT so goodbye
| hairofadog wrote:
| https://www.dropbox.com/s/l4cu3y4e243q9q9/Moose.pdf?dl=0
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| step 1: open devtools
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| step 2: figure out the navbar is the problem
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| step 3: kill it (select the <header>, and press Delete)
|
| step 4: Ctrl+P
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