[HN Gopher] Why our Smart Video Doorbell will not be able to sup...
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Why our Smart Video Doorbell will not be able to support HomeKit
Secure Video
Author : jacobp100
Score : 17 points
Date : 2022-10-20 21:33 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (get.netatmo.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (get.netatmo.com)
| ok_dad wrote:
| Yet another reason why closed ecosystems aren't great. If I had
| control over my phone and software, I could set my Apple devices
| to connect to this device anyways via whatever integration, and
| just not record 30FPS video from my front door, since I don't
| fucking care about that. I don't use this product, but it sounds
| like the team at this company does a good job of keeping costs
| down to the minimum while squeezing everything they can from
| their product, and now Apple is preventing an integration that
| would be useful to both Apple and Netatmo users because of
| stupid-ass reasons (really? you need 30fps from your doorbell
| even when no one is there yet?).
| comboy wrote:
| > really? you need 30fps from your doorbell even when no one is
| there yet?
|
| I think the reasoning may be that with Apple you pay extra to
| know that something will work well out the box without any
| issues (yeah yeah, I mean the theory). People don't know what
| FPS is or anything about internals. They connect the device and
| the video is not smooth. Looks like something is wrong. It is a
| good approach not to explain to your users that what they see
| is actually right, but instead find a solution which doesn't
| make them feel that way.
|
| You don't need to integrate with Apple, there are plenty of
| solutions. If you do, then there's a reason you use Apple. I
| think it's mostly that they make choices for users so users
| don't have to (and it's actually valuable when done right).
|
| Every instance is specific and has its constraints, but there
| are plenty of high resolution and fps IP cameras sitting in the
| sun and doing just fine. Most seem to have at least 2-3x power
| usage. 2W seems really great. Gopros work somehow. So maybe
| they thermal design could use some improvements.
|
| Using doorbell as a quick check what's happening out there is
| also a fair use case which shouldn't require somebody standing
| next to the camera.
| heywire wrote:
| My Amcrest AD410 doorbell encodes 2K (2560x1920) video at 15fps
| 24/7, and my previous Nest camera did 1600x1200 at 30fps 24/7. I
| guess it is more a limitation of their specific product than of
| the category in general.
| sirmoveon wrote:
| Can someone make an inexpensive PoE Doorbell? -- IP camera FullHD
| or better, PoE, 2 way audio, with a button.
|
| With the popularity of NVRs, there's a niche market for those
| unsatisfied.
| ars wrote:
| PoE doorbells exist, but are rare.
|
| The issue is that the proper size wire to provide power to a
| doorbell is larger than a Cat 5 cable. So if you run Cat 5 to
| your doorbell, you can't actually use it as a simple doorbell.
| (Cat 5 is 24 gauge, but you need 16 gauge for a doorbell.)
|
| If you are building a house and you want to leave options for
| the home owner what do you do? PoE Cat 5? Or standard doorbell
| wire?
|
| The market seems to have decided that you do a standard 16V AC
| 1A power to the doorbell, and then WiFi for the data.
|
| See: https://support.ring.com/hc/en-
| us/articles/360041807292-Sele...
| heywire wrote:
| I'm sure they could, but how many people have Ethernet at their
| doorbell? We recently built a new home, so I had the
| opportunity to hardwire all of our cameras, except the
| doorbells. There just weren't great options that I could find.
| Luckily the Amcrest doorbells I chose have been rock solid.
| They support rtsp, so my NVR records them just like the rest of
| the cameras.
| sirmoveon wrote:
| That's the point I'm trying to make. The popularity of having
| NVR systems with multiple cameras, rather than just a
| Doorbell makes it viable to think people would want this
| option over a supercharged Doorbell -- The idea to process
| object detection at the doorbell is kind of ludicrous.
| Calvin02 wrote:
| Apple & Google capricious integration policies are often user
| hostile.
|
| Seems like it would be much better to let people decide what
| quality they want from their doorbell rather than mandating it as
| part of the integration.
|
| I don't want to store 1080p 30fps video all the time and have it
| consume the entire 50gb that I buy with iCloud.
| shmoogy wrote:
| HKSV doesn't use any storage, but I'm not sure if that's
| available in the cheapest plan. I use scrypted to push all my
| UniFi cameras into HomeKit for free recordings and
| identification of people/packages.
|
| Looks like it's unlimited only on the higher plan -
|
| For $0.99 per month, iCloud+ will offer 50GB of iCloud storage
| and support for recording video from one HomeKit Secure Video
| camera. For $2.99 per month, iCloud+ will offer 200GB of
| storage and support for up to five HomeKit Secure Video
| cameras. For $9.99 per month, you get 2TB of iCloud storage and
| support for unlimited HomeKit Secure Video cameras.
| kappuchino wrote:
| Gone for me. Archive.org link:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20221018214742/https://get.netat...
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