[HN Gopher] DaVinci Resolve for iPad
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DaVinci Resolve for iPad
Author : dagmx
Score : 337 points
Date : 2022-10-20 15:37 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| retskrad wrote:
| Apple massively increased the price of the the entire iPad line-
| up in Europe. It's going to be interesting to see what impact it
| will have on Apple's earnings. Will Apple's goodwill make people
| accept the new prices or will Apple's brand take a hit for
| increasing the price in times where people are financially
| vulnerable?
| collegeburner wrote:
| well Apple's an American company and we have one of the few
| relatively strong currencies in the world. so anything we
| export is going to get very expensive for y'all very quick.
| don't be so fast to blame Apple.
|
| Apple's cost of business in europe is also going up from fines
| and requirements to e.g. migrate charging. so it's not
| surprising that is passed through to european customers.
|
| also there are plenty of good substitutes and Apple has always
| been more of a premium brand so i don't think the "financial
| vulnerability" argument holds water here.
| Bud wrote:
| samatman wrote:
| Apple doesn't need Europe. The region it's included in is worth
| 19% of Apple's business, and that region includes the Middle
| East, India, and Africa. Europe might be 10% of the business,
| maybe a bit more, maybe less.
|
| Worth keeping in mind. They're quite able to wind down business
| in Europe if the alternative is being forced to build their
| devices in a way they don't want.
|
| Raising prices to match the extra cost of doing business in
| Europe is a no-brainer. If that means it's no longer profitable
| to sell to the subcontinent, no problem, they'll just... stop
| doing that.
| sangnoir wrote:
| > They're quite able to wind down business in Europe if the
| alternative is being forced to build their devices in a way
| they don't want
|
| This assumes Apple's management has the stomach for the
| resulting negative revenue growth and the subsequent reaction
| from Wall Street.
|
| Also, a huge chunk of their cash offshoring / tax
| minimization strategy is based in Europe: they'd revert to
| _USB-A_ charging ports if the choice was between that and
| shutting down the Irish office.
| samatman wrote:
| Why would they pull out of Ireland? They could have one
| store in Dublin, that sells the last model iPhone which was
| grandfathered in, while supplies last, for a couple grand,
| or whatever the price ends up being once Europe is done
| objecting.
| kaba0 wrote:
| Maybe have a look at the "Brussel effect" wiki page. The EU
| is big enough to make worldwide changes financially the
| rational choice, so these choices are made based on EU laws.
| not_math wrote:
| Even if it's just 10%, you don't abandon 10% of your market.
| That's 8 billions for Apple just last quarter.
| krzyk wrote:
| EMEA does not include India.
|
| And the MEA is peanuts compared to the first E when you think
| about money available to spend.
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| Have you read any of Apple's financials?
|
| It says right there, in every single one of Apple's
| quarterly and annual reports:
|
| > Europe includes European countries, as well as India, the
| Middle East and Africa
| smoldesu wrote:
| It's cute to imagine a world where that happens, but there
| isn't a chance Apple abandons their multi-billion dollar
| European investments because everyone hates the lightning
| connector. The premise of Apple leaving Europe is an idle
| threat.
| simonh wrote:
| Given that keeping prices the same would weigh down their
| earnings as well, since they're reported in dollars, the
| financial impact of this is not a simple thing to calculate.
| haunter wrote:
| Oh wow company makes $1,7b profit instead of $1,9b. The end
| is near. Capitalism is really a cancer when the only thing
| matters is growth growth and growth.
|
| The Facebook movie was really spot on with the "A million
| dollars isn't cool. You know what's cool? A billion" line
| cyberlurker wrote:
| They have a responsibility to their shareholders. I think
| raising prices amid inflation is the responsible thing to
| do... these are not essential goods like food and fuel.
| pb7 wrote:
| You could opt for consumer electronics from European
| companies instead.
| bitL wrote:
| People still don't understand exponential function /
| compound interest...
| hemantv wrote:
| Hate capitalism as much as you want. But it's the only
| system that consistently uplift people and improve standard
| of living over time.
|
| It's the best system among all the bad systems out there.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| sounds like hardened political rhetoric to me and
| classical capitalist realism - no place for that here
| dijonman2 wrote:
| How does your comment differ from your own judgement?
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| where am I repeating a hardened propaganda line? all I
| did was identify one
| simonh wrote:
| If you can find evidence of a different system that's
| come anywhere close to raising living standards of
| ordinary citizens nearly as much, I'd love to hear about
| it. And no, China doesn't have a communist economy,
| pretty much everything productive about China is
| capitalist.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| wengrow & graeber's recent research shows plenty of
| evidence (post discovery of agriculture and well beyond
| dunbar's number), that's a good place to start with your
| question. tangentially, mark fisher is also good for
| unpacking what you've said
| tshaddox wrote:
| It's certainly not simple for me to calculate, but I would
| guess that Apple has people with more information and more
| experience calculating such things. It's not usually a
| company often associated with being bad at making money.
| astorsnk wrote:
| It's not like they did it out of spite or greed - both the EUR
| and GBP have plummeted against the USD over the last year. One
| area they could look at though is outrageous storage premiums.
| The price jump between levels is now a joke.
| e3bc54b2 wrote:
| > The price jump between levels is now a joke.
|
| It has always been a joke. Now it just ain't funny anymore.
| bitL wrote:
| 300 to 600EUR increase for the most basic iPad is not
| reflecting 25% EUR collapse.
| astorsnk wrote:
| They're likely pricing in further changes. Better to assume
| things will get worse and price that in once, than have to
| reprice every few months.
| soneil wrote:
| The european price is actually better than it was last time
| around, which is surprising. Using Irish numbers (because
| I'm Irish ..)
|
| At announcement (Sept 2021), the 9th gen was $329 US, which
| was EUR280 (at the time). Plus +23% VAT gives us EUR345.22.
| The actual retail price was EUR399 - 15.5% higher?
|
| At announcement, the 10th gen is $449 US, which is EUR459.
| Plus +23% VAT gives us $564.75. The actual retail price is
| EUR599 - 6.5% higher.
|
| The hike is the increase in the base price, plus the
| exchange rate, plus the accompanying tax. We're actually
| closer to parity on this release than the last release.
|
| (Also - you must admit rounding 399 to 300 is rather
| disingenuous.)
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| Apple still sells the 9th gen iPad. How much does it cost
| today in Ireland?
| soneil wrote:
| EUR450.
|
| It's still $329 in the US, which is EUR336 here, or
| EUR413 after tax. So it's 9% higher than parity - better
| than it was (at release), but not as close as the 10th
| gen is.
|
| What I tend to see in apple's european pricing is three
| (well, 2.5) things. One is that they're ridiculously
| hooked on round numbers. 413 is never going to be 413 on
| the sticker. And two, is that it's very rare that they
| change the sticker price after it's released. (Sounds
| silly when they've just bumped the 9th gen & ipad mini,
| but I'm genuinely struggling to think of any prior
| examples).
|
| So the .5 is that this means their prices include what's
| essentially a gamble on the currency. It doesn't just
| reflect where the rate is now, it reflects where they
| think it's going. This time last week, we were paying
| less dollars for the 9th gen than the US was - and
| they've taken the unusual step of actually correcting for
| that. In short, the house always wins.
|
| I just don't buy the theory that the increase is a
| punishment for the EU's decision on usb cables etc. The
| EU and US prices are aligned within roughly the same
| margin they're usually aligned by. It seems people don't
| realise how quickly a 20-something% shift in currency and
| a 20-something% tax rate add up (on top of the increase
| on the US price), and they'd rather grasp at theories
| than calculators.
| bitL wrote:
| 9th gen is 339EUR in Germany (3rd party sellers).
|
| Also, when it comes to a market, typically sellers have
| to adjust pricing to market conditions or they move
| categories. 340EUR is already cost for a premium Android
| tablet and iPad just started at that price.
| mritun wrote:
| That's interesting! It could partly be explained by falling
| Euro but could also be Apple increasing prices to include the
| "fine" taxes. Cost of doing business invariably gets passed on
| to customers.
| Jamesmoorez wrote:
| BolexNOLA wrote:
| Man BMD has been absolutely crushing it the last 2 years or so.
| The number of people I see jumping to resolve as their main NLE
| is staggering. They were often mocked when they jumped into the
| cinema camera game in the early 2010s and now their imaging
| hardware is a production mainstay at all levels of the industry.
|
| I am very curious to see how their foray into iOS goes here.
| Could be huge. Frankly I just feel like I lack the imagination
| for what this opens up. Can't wait to experiment!
| post_break wrote:
| Pretty incredible this can come out before Final Cut Pro for
| iPad.
| jbverschoor wrote:
| apple has some real issues since about a year or two
| birdman3131 wrote:
| Its not out yet.
| BudaDude wrote:
| It will be before Final Cut most likely
| ExMachina73 wrote:
| I think this shows that Final Cut Pro on iPad was never really
| in the cards. Furthermore, Apple is using this Davinci Resolve
| release in their own marketing materials. I love Final Cut Pro,
| but as time goes by it seems like it's headed the way of
| Aperture, after competitors like Adobe Lightroom took over the
| marketshare - cancellation. Especially when other developers
| are creating great software like Resolve and LumaFusion. Not to
| mention hundreds of film editors wrote an open letter to Tim
| Cook "begging for Final Cut Pro commitment."
| oDot wrote:
| In a fairly related note -- if there's an available editor here
| that knows anime style and pacing, please let me know where I can
| see your stuff
| lvl102 wrote:
| This is nice but any serious video editor would use a Macbook
| instead no? Why bother with this version?
| barkingcat wrote:
| Field editing, showing clients live renders as they give you
| suggestions for edits, being able to grab the ipad and work on
| some ideas while on the go.
|
| All of these comments "why use ipad instead of Macbook to do x"
| has been answered a long time ago. The massive market sale
| through rate for the ipad ecosystem answers the justification
| better than anyone on this site can answer.
|
| Same for the Lightroom/Photoshop on iPad folks - why use
| lightroom on ipad? so you can do it on the go without opening
| up your macbook. And use the pencil.
| yamtaddle wrote:
| For some things, you need a "real" computer.
|
| For some things, you need a tablet ("LOL what could that
| possibly be?" Oh, I dunno, does your laptop have multiple very-
| high-quality cameras built-in with all kind of fancy depth-
| sensors and AR-related hardware, an accelerometer, et c.? GPS
| and/or cell radio? Touch & drawing input? Stupid-high idle
| battery life, with near-instant-on from any level of sleep?
| Sure, some have _some_ of that, but how many have all,
| especially without peripherals? How comfortable is it to use
| while standing, or while walking around? How good 's your
| laptop at replacing a scanner? Reading PDFs or ebooks while on
| the go?)
|
| The more things i-devices can do well-enough that were
| previously desktop- or laptop-only means more times you don't
| need to have _both_ devices to be able to do all the things you
| want to do.
|
| It's harder to go the other way (making laptops/desktops good
| at the things tablets are good at--most of those require adding
| more, expensive hardware, and changing or hybridizing the form
| factor) so the trend is in the direction of making tablets more
| and more capable.
| smoldesu wrote:
| It wouldn't be such a concerning trend if Apple was simply a
| really good hardware vendor. Instead, the iPad is a toll-road
| with a 30% tax that goes straight to Apple. If they gave iOS
| alternate app stores _or even just opened the iPad
| bootloader_ (as we know is fully possible on M1), people
| wouldn 't be shifting in their seats as much. Instead, Apple
| is innovating in one hand and extorting in the other, and
| then pretending like both can't exist without the other.
|
| There isn't a company in the world that has a larger R&D
| budget than Apple. If $200 billion dollars in liquid funding
| can't design a decent, _freedom respecting_ tablet, then
| Apple hasn 't fixed much of anything (in my opinion).
| twobitshifter wrote:
| Apple Pencil is iPad only
| NonNefarious wrote:
| BudaDude wrote:
| The biggest reason would be the portability. If you are on a
| plane, using an iPad is often much easier than a full laptop.
| dopa42365 wrote:
| List of people color grading hollywood movies on their ipad
| during plane flights:
| eole666 wrote:
| This is nice, but it's not that incredible : Windows tablets
| running Resolve smoothly exists since many years (Surface Pro),
| and they do run the full davinci resolve suite on top of an
| actual desktop OS.
|
| On the other hand, M1/M2 ipads pro should be way more powerfull
| than the Surfaces if you need to do some heavy editing/color
| grading. And it seems they optimized this version for the pencil
| use.
| Ruq wrote:
| Ok, this is a pretty big deal.
| BudaDude wrote:
| Agreed. iPad pros have had a serious lack of professional video
| editing software. This may be the thing that makes me buy an
| iPad Pro.
| teeray wrote:
| So excited for this. I really love editing photos on my iPad in
| Lightroom... I find it relaxing. Much more so than if I had to
| grab my laptop to do it. Looking forward to doing the same with
| my drone footage now.
| darkteflon wrote:
| To all the experienced DVR users: does it have good native media
| management capabilities?
|
| I'm an FCPX user and always felt that was a big black mark
| against FCPX. For instance, it seems designed to manage your
| media on a per-project basis, and can't easily be shoehorned into
| having a single large (organised) library accessible from many
| loosely-coupled projects. Disconnected original media drives
| don't have graceful failure states - even when using a local
| proxy workflow. Tagging, sorting and displaying large media
| libraries always feels quite cumbersome. That kind of thing.
|
| Keen to hear whether DVR is more sensible - I'm quite keen to
| give it a go if so.
| clean_send wrote:
| This is incredible on so many fronts. 5-10 years ago, I would
| choose my computer based on it's potential to edit video. A
| decade ago, most laptops couldn't handle the load of uncompressed
| video. 5 years ago, having iMovie on your Ipad allowed us to make
| sub <5 minute videos of low-res/processed files. Now we have an
| intersection of 1. an Ipad is powerful enough to handle this type
| of data processing and 2. BMD has found ways of dealing with the
| huge file sizes and rendering / editing in real time. Unreal. I
| imagined this would come some day but not today.
| simonh wrote:
| We're still getting used to how much things have changed in the
| M1+ era.
| bitL wrote:
| How is iPad going to handle RAW 8k video? Its highest storage
| is small, good only for a scratch disk at best or for very
| short movies.
| barkingcat wrote:
| LumaFusion, aka the only way to edit professional video on
| iPad before this announcement, supports direct
| editing/ingestion and working directly on an external ssd.
| With USB-C and thunderbolt supported on the M1 ipads, the
| experience is basically, hook up your 4TB samsung external
| portal drive, and edit away. You don't need to copy the
| information onto the ipad itself. The export also goes to the
| external drive.
|
| If BMD did not support this fuction for Resolve, they will
| have a hard time competing against LumaFusion.
|
| However I think LumaFusion will be very carefully monitoring
| this market. It is theirs to lose.
| drcongo wrote:
| LumaFusion is a fantastic app, but I do find it a bit
| fiddly to use sometimes - really precise edits are much
| harder than they should be. Looking forward to giving
| Resolve a go though.
| simonh wrote:
| When it does support it, probably very well. iPads could
| support editing and playing back multiple simultaneous 4K
| video streams long before desktop Macs could due to the huge
| bandwidth between cpu, memory and gpu of A series chips. M
| chips dialed that up to 11.
|
| As to your storage concerns USB-C iPads, apart from having up
| to 2TB of internal storage and up to 16 GB of memory, support
| external drives just as well as any laptop. The time when
| high end iPads had below low end desktop specs is long gone.
| mkaic wrote:
| If you have a camera that shoots RAW 8k video, I'd wager you
| aren't using an iPad to edit on.
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| Yes, but you might be using an iPad to take your rushes and
| throw together a quick assemble right there on set, "there
| that's how it'll look", and even import the timeline into
| your proper project.
| bitL wrote:
| OK, iPad Pro has something like 4k-5k video camera, which
| produces a lot of RAW data anyway (assuming software can
| access RAW feed with some lossless compression applied), so
| the problem is still there unless you want to prepare
| videos with ugly artifacts from compression.
| Retric wrote:
| iPad Pros can have 2TB onboard and hook up to external
| storage just fine. There isn't much difference between
| that and the average laptop.
|
| That said 90% of users are probably going to be working
| with compressed 4k video because they don't notice the
| difference and it saves time.
| wil421 wrote:
| Not many people are going to care. I know a lot more people
| with 4k and lower short videos from iPhones/GoPros/Drones you
| name it. Being able to edit personal videos on the fly would
| be very nice.
| Vrondi wrote:
| Now that mobile devices are getting this powerful, we need
| them to start supporting larger storage again.
| conductr wrote:
| They are expandable now up to 40Gb/s per tech specs
| Gigachad wrote:
| The iPad has options up to 2TB SSD and supports USB4
| external storage along with 10Gbit ethernet.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| I don't think it is the tool for the job
| dylan604 wrote:
| I don't think it is the tool for _that_ job, but for
| footage acquired on the iPad it will do just fine thank you
| very much. The iPads are being used for shooting way more
| frequently than I 'd have given credit, until I realize
| that if an iPad was available back when I was unable to
| afford other equipment, I'd have used the hell out of it
| too. We shot the shit out of
| VHS=>SVHS=>Hi8=>Digi8=>DV/MiniDV as if it were film. Now,
| there's image stabilization, light as a feather, prices are
| a fraction of prior so for the price of one thing you can
| get like 3 or 4, and then consider them crash cams, etc.
| Then when you get done shooting, there's 0 time wasted on
| transfering to your editor as your friggin camera is the
| editor and the color corrector. I mean, why the hell would
| you not do this if you're a broke ass college film student.
| hell, even elementary school kids could be doing this. it's
| mind boggling what kids have at their finger tips now.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| I was talking about the specific thing I responded to. 8k
| RAW video on a device without the storage for it. But I'm
| sure there are proxies possible.
|
| You can likely find some out of touch people to
| proselytize to somewhere else on this thread.
| dylan604 wrote:
| And i was agreeing with you. The proselytizing as you
| call it was me being able to expand past the nonsense
| proposed and offered up a more compelling workflow. Sorry
| to offend thy sensitivities on expanding upon a
| conversation.
| thetinguy wrote:
| External drives just like people using macbooks
| bitL wrote:
| Does iPadOS support them well though?
| Gigachad wrote:
| Surprisingly yes. It used to be a limitation that apps
| would have to import the file on to local storage, edit,
| export back to external. But now extra APIs have been
| added and video editors can edit on external storage.
|
| The iPad has been sitting in this limbo state where they
| are way more powerful than most people expect but still
| not really worth it when you can get a MacBook for the
| same price and do more.
| scarface74 wrote:
| Yes, you plug it in and it shows up in the Files app as
| another storage source along with iCloud and any third
| party service you have like OneDrive, Dropbox, Google
| Drive or you can store files locally in the iPad.
| regular wrote:
| z9znz wrote:
| Has anyone here used an iPad as their primary editing tool?
|
| Unless one were really constrained by weight or items, I don't
| know why someone wouldn't just edit on their Macbook.
|
| I think it's great that you can do this on an iPad; I just wonder
| how useful it really is. The Macbook Air is pretty small and
| lightweight already.
|
| It would be interesting to see a side by side editing session
| comparison with two people, one using an iPad, and the other
| using a laptop.
| FractalHQ wrote:
| Too bad iPad OS is a joke. A gutted version of a real software
| program running on an M1 should not be exciting news in 2021.
| jokoon wrote:
| I tried it something like 1 or 2 years ago, it crashed.
|
| I don't if there are CPU or GPU requirements.
| mkr-hn wrote:
| How could you try something that didn't exist?
| taylorbuley wrote:
| Another easy way to use Resolve for free. Anyone here can and
| should use Resolve for quick and dirty color correction. Like
| having a good mic, it really makes your video stand out in terms
| of quality.
| andrewmunsell wrote:
| I've used LumaFusion for years since it's the only real editor
| option on the iPad. They took _forever_ to launch vector scopes
| and they still don 't have keyframe easing or basic speed
| ramping, so it's good to see some competition here.
|
| The syncing feature may just push me to use Resolve full time,
| since it'd let me do basic cutting and even color grading on the
| iPad and any intensive work on my computer seamlessly.
| mortenjorck wrote:
| This is "only" two of the seven modules included in the desktop
| version, but even just one would be a breakthrough on the iPad.
|
| The full DaVinci Resolve is nuts: it covers a complete,
| Hollywood-level workflow of DAM, editing, grading, sound, and VFX
| (with probably the most generous freemium model in existence, by
| a good margin). The iPad version covers one of the two edit
| workflows (the one more tailored to broadcast than film) and
| color grading, which will cover quite a few use cases without
| anything else. I can especially see this being used by serious
| YouTubers and independent content creators.
|
| I wonder if the asset management module is planned, as that would
| seem to be the next-most broadly useful module.
| [deleted]
| TheRealPomax wrote:
| As long as folks don't think it's an NLE, because that's the
| one thing it isn't.
|
| (Even though half of its users try to use it for that, get
| stuck, post on the forum, and then get the other half yelling
| at them because "it's not an NLE". 17 and 18 took things in the
| right direction, but it's still going to take a few more
| versions before people giving it a shot because they think it's
| a free Premiere or After Effects get burnt)
|
| Edit, because people seem to not understand how Resolve is
| fundamentally different from a "normal" NLE like Avid's or
| Adobe's (suggesting they don't actually use Resolve, which is
| fine, but downvoting because you disagree is kinda weird when
| it _really_ isn 't like normal NLEs):
|
| Resolve has NLE functionality, but it didn't start as an NLE,
| and its main focus wasn't to "be an NLE". This is first and
| foremost grading software, born out of wanting the best tool
| for grading cinema/broadcast video, the thing Black Magic sells
| cameras for. And of course, the best grading software needs a
| minimally functional edit view because you can't grade clips if
| you can't work with clips. And so it had that.
|
| And while BM has been steadily improving that view and wants to
| morph Resolve to a more general purpose video editing suite
| (and in the processing become more like a real NLE rather than
| software with NLE functionality) you're still in a node-graph-
| based grading suite, just with NLE bells and whistles. A lot of
| what you'd do to your clips or layers, you still do in the
| "color" view in Resolve.
|
| If you think you downloaded an NLE, that's going to be weird
| and unexpected. If you know you're working in grading software
| that also has a pretty great NLE functionality at this point,
| things make a bit more sense. Of course, the cry for "real" NLE
| behaviour is strong, and if many of your users want something
| (and your name isn't Adobe) you start adding what users want,
| to the point where BM now wants Resolve to become a full video
| editing suite, so we're getting there. But slowly. And it won't
| truly "be an NLE" until probably several version from now.
| cowmix wrote:
| I've seen quite the opposite. A good percentage of people
| coming from Premiere or After Effects feel burnt for all the
| years they spent in the Adobe suite. Just in stability alone
| is Resolve leagues better. The "batteries included" feature
| set is not only comprehensive in all parts of the video
| production pipeline, it is world class in many of the
| specific categories it competes in.
| ayewo wrote:
| What's NLE in this context?
| boulos wrote:
| Non-Linear Editor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-
| linear_editing
| jpk wrote:
| Non-Linear Editor, which includes things like Adobe
| Premiere, AVID Media Composer, etc.
| Joeboy wrote:
| And Davinci Resolve's Edit page (I don't know why the ggp
| says it's not an NLE).
| fragmede wrote:
| It's an nle like after effects is one. It's not _not_ an
| nle but it 's roots are elsewhere so because of that,
| it's hard to see it as one, despite advances in the
| software.
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| What do you think the Edit page and the Cut page are?
| fragmede wrote:
| Scary new technology that wasn't around back in the day.
| Grandpa Simpson said it best: "I used to be with 'it',
| but then they changed what 'it' was. Now what I'm with
| isn't 'it' anymore and what's 'it' seems weird and scary.
| It'll happen to you!"
| _aavaa_ wrote:
| Can you provide some context as to why it's not a NLE?
| Everywhere i've seen it talked about it's described as an NLE
| [deleted]
| fattire wrote:
| Of course it's a non-linear editor roughly on par with
| Avid, Final Cut, or Premiere. With all due respect, this
| person has no idea what they're talking about.
|
| The Cut page (as opposed to the Edit page) is what's
| apparently to be included on iPad, but it's 100% as legit a
| NLE as any other. I wouldn't call After Effects a NLE per
| se, but the node-based corollary to AE in Resolve is called
| Fusion and doesn't appear to be (initially) included on
| iPad.
| TheRealPomax wrote:
| Moved this response as an edit to the main comment on
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33277308 instead,
| but keeping this comment rather than deleting it, because
| the replies to it have value to the discussion.
| fattire wrote:
| (You edited your comment to oblivion, but because it was
| so embarassingly wrong, I don't blame you.)
|
| My original response:
|
| "close enough to a NLE"?? What the--
|
| DaVinci Resolve has included a standalone non-linear
| editor since 2014. Today it has every major feature one
| would expect from a NLE-- with the noted exception of a
| lack of some codecs in the Linux version due to licensing
| issues, AAC being conspicuously one of them. So ffmpeg is
| often needed for transcoding media. I have a fair amount
| of familiarity with Avid, Final Cut Pro (7, not X), and
| to a lesser degree Adobe Premiere, and some experience
| with other NLEs from OpenShot to iMovie to Lightworks to
| Blender's NLE. Not only is DVR a feature-packed NLE- it
| ALSO includes a ProTools-like audio editing component
| called Fairlight, a node-based 2d/3d After Effects-like
| component (which integrates neatly with Blender) called
| Fusion, and a best-in-class color grading tool, for which
| Resolve is probably best known, which has roots going
| back to the DaVinci color correction systems of the
| 1980s.
|
| DaVinci Resolve has not one NLE interface, but TWO-- the
| traditional Avid-like Edit page, and a new "Cut Page"
| (the one that appears in the iPad demo videos), which I
| think first showed up in DaVinci Resolve 17 (18 is
| current) and that is meant as a faster UI for doing a
| rough assembly that heavily integrates with the "Speed
| Editor" specialized hardware. For a while, there were
| deals where the Speed Editor came free with a ($300)
| Studio License. Now, I think it's $400 maybe (?) The paid
| Studio version includes extra features like more plugins
| (many of which use neural networks to, say, infer depth
| or separate objects from backgrounds), headless python
| scripting, 3d audio, 8k export, and pro stuff like that.
|
| I'm presuming the iPad version will also work with the
| Speed Editor (it can connect via bluetooth or USB).
|
| And since you mentioned it, the Fusion-style node system
| is considered superior by many pros to the older layers-
| based system used by After Effects, which is why it has
| been adopted by newer software from Unreal to Blender to
| nuke, etc. Also, you _can_ drop effects "on" clips and
| layers-- this can be done in the Edit page as per
| tradition, and works as expected.
|
| Since DaVinci Resolve is meant to run in CentOS, I've
| helped collaborate on a method for running it in a Linux
| container as well for anyone who might be interested:
|
| https://github.com/fat-tire/resolve
| cowmix wrote:
| The "Cut Page" has been a godsend for me. I'm going
| through about 1500 hours of footage right now and that
| editing mode is the only thing that has made my task even
| remotely possible for me to pull off.
| myself248 wrote:
| > Since DaVinci Resolve is meant to run in CentOS, I've
| helped collaborate on a method for running it in a Linux
| container as well for anyone who might be interested:
|
| Soooooooooo interested, but sadly it seems NVidia-only.
|
| If Blackmagic would put some of their port-to-iOS muscle
| on a make-it-work-with-AMD team, it'd be useful to me.
| Alas, I have a knack for picking losers.
| fattire wrote:
| Only for lack of hardware to test it on. There is an open
| issue if you want to try your hand at getting it to work
| on non-NVidia, though it will run best on some kind of
| dedicated GPU due to the heavy graphics operations it
| does.
|
| See https://github.com/fat-tire/resolve/issues/8
| Joeboy wrote:
| > in any normal NLE, you put your effects on your clips,
| or your layers. You don't do that in Resolve, because
| it's grading software
|
| You can add effects onto clips in the Resolve NLE. If you
| just want to use Resolve as an NLE (ie. you don't want to
| colour-grade your work or do complex VFX in Fusion), you
| don't need to go near a node graph.
|
| Perhaps there is some pedantry to be done about whether
| it _is_ an NLE or _has_ an NLE. No dispute that it used
| to be colour grading software and the NLE was bolted on
| later (like a decade ago).
| [deleted]
| Joeboy wrote:
| > you're still in a node-graph-based grading suite, just with
| NLE bells and whistles. A lot of what you'd do to your clips
| or layers, you still do in the "color" view in Resolve.
|
| The Edit Page isn't node-graph-based, it's a timeline with
| tracks and clips. What NLE functionality don't you have in
| the Edit Page?
| cowmix wrote:
| AFAIAC "nodes" are a feature of Resolve, not a bug.
| Joeboy wrote:
| In their place for sure, but I'm not sure how a node-
| based NLE would work.
| fattire wrote:
| As you mentioned, the nodes are used in Fusion and the
| Color page, where they belong, not in either timeline
| editor (Cut Page & Edit Page).
| regular wrote:
| gamblor956 wrote:
| DaVinci Resolve is professionally regarded as an NLE and has
| been for several versions. In some ways, it is a better NLE
| than Premiere.
|
| While it _was_ primarily grading software, Black Magic has
| stated its intent for it to be used as a general purpose
| video editing solution.
| totetsu wrote:
| Hell if you arrange the toolbars and the camera and squint
| your eyes right, then wack yourself with a brick, even
| Blender can be used as an NLE
| trynewideas wrote:
| Aside from the non-linear animation (NLA) tools, which are
| pretty mature, Blender's video editing is pretty close to
| an actual feature since 3.2.0's Video Sequencer quality-of-
| life improvements.[1]
|
| Video Sequencer docs: https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/3.
| 3/video_editing/introdu...
|
| Compositor docs: https://docs.blender.org/manual/en/3.3/com
| positing/index.htm...
|
| It's still clearly built to help animators tie together
| renders, with most of the actual "editing" happening in the
| NLA tools. But it's also not the hack/kludge experience
| that it was in the 2.x series.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJNbXYnt9Q
| cowmix wrote:
| I bebop back and forth between Blender and Resolve and,
| yes, Blender has made some great improvements but I
| _STILL_ have sound sync issues on 3.3. Otherwise, Blender
| is pretty good - but I prefer Resolve overall.
|
| One thing that Blender has over Resolve on Linux is the
| ability to import ANY mp4 source video. Stupid licensing
| issues prevent Resolve (and even the paid Studio version)
| from doing that.
| sprkwd wrote:
| I feel seen. :/
| andybak wrote:
| DAM?
| tjkrusinski wrote:
| Digital asset management. Simply: indexing and storing large
| audio and video files in a durable way.
| DoctorOW wrote:
| Even when Resolve was only ever those two modules (and back
| then the edit was pretty basic) I thought it was incredibly
| good. DaVinci's dedication to publishing free (of charge)
| software is one of the few things keeping Adobe in check.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Slight nitpick, but Blackmagic is releasing the product for
| free. Before the acquisition, DaVinci would _NEVER_ have
| released Resolve for free. At least based on their pricing
| models from decades prior.
| gizajob wrote:
| What's your point? Resolve has been free for ages.
| dylan604 wrote:
| That the name of the company giving something away should
| be accurately noted. DaVinci is no longer a company. It
| is a brand owned by a company. The brand doesn't set the
| pricing. The company does.
| DoctorOW wrote:
| Whoops sorry, I meant Blackmagic.
| Melatonic wrote:
| My problem was I always found it to have weird holdovers in
| terms of UI from hardware integration days of colour
| correctors. Hopefully that is gone now. But for example you
| used to not be able to just drag your full screen viewing
| window to a second monitor - they forced you to get their
| little hardware PCIe card. Given that most Nvidia cards will
| do 10 bit colour now with the studio drivers I hope they have
| rethought this.
| dylan604 wrote:
| They prefer for the GPU cores to be doing math rather than
| displaying image. That's why you can get away with the GPU
| not being in a full lane width slot. The little PCIe did
| more than just send out an HDMI signal back then as well,
| as most of it went to an SDI or even older analog component
| BNCs. No GPU I've ever seen has had those connectors.
| [deleted]
| digitallyfree wrote:
| My AMD W8100 has a SDI port. They're only seen on the
| workstation cards, not the consumer ones.
| angry_octet wrote:
| NVIDIA Quadro FX SDI cards, ~2008-2020.
| dylan604 wrote:
| holy jeebus, i had never heard of this board. but a quick
| search found this bit of oddity:
|
| "DVI-to-DVI Connection
|
| Connect one end of the DVI cable to the DVI connector on
| the SDI Output card and the other end to the "north" DVI
| connector on the NVIDIA Quadro FX 4600/5600 card as
| shown. The SDI output will not work if the cable is not
| connected to these two connectors."
|
| So it was an external pass thru type system that just
| converted DVI to SDI. They joined the daughter card via
| external oddball cable rather than making an internal
| ribbon cable connection.
| angry_octet wrote:
| Yep, it was just to convert computer graphics into
| broadcast TV world. Probably powering a bunch of TV
| stations weather broadcasts for the next decade.
| dylan604 wrote:
| That's still a few rungs up from the older skool tech of
| a large round table top with the different gauges for
| things like temp/pressure/humidity/etc on it that rotated
| at a set speed with a stationary camera mount so that the
| gauges would spin underneath it. For a lot of small cable
| companies this was the "weather" for that cable company.
| It would be setup at the head end where all of the
| various satellite dishes were pulling the feeds. An ex-
| coworker's family was responsible for that existing, so I
| used to hear all sorts of "back in the day" themed
| stories about it.
| digitallyfree wrote:
| I've seen a lot of students serious about video editing
| switching from (typically pirated) Premiere Pro to Resolve as
| the free version got better and better. One student told me
| his high school filmmaking class was switching from FCP to
| Resolve so that everyone could easily work on their projects
| at home. It's pretty much the only freeware professional
| editing suite available - and if some of those students later
| work in the industry they'll prefer the system they're
| familar with.
|
| When I used Resolve several years ago the system requirements
| were high but you could mitigate that by using a proxy
| workflow.
| NonNefarious wrote:
| CharlesW wrote:
| This is a good reference for anyone complaining that the new iPad
| is "too powerful", which happened a bunch in the recent
| announcement threads. Yes, not everyone's going to be editing 8K
| video on their iPad, but everything that makes that possible
| makes lots of other current and future advanced use cases
| possible. For example, the lidar sensor foreshadows that the iPad
| has an important part in Apple's mixed reality plans.
| [deleted]
| SSLy wrote:
| > For example, the lidar sensor foreshadows that the iPad has
| an important part in Apple's mixed reality plans.
|
| The LIDAR is there to serve as a playground for the app
| developers, including in-house. A glorified dev board. I doubt
| iPads themselves will be a part of Apple's XR plans.
| CharlesW wrote:
| > _I doubt iPads themselves will be a part of Apple 's XR
| plans._
|
| iPads are serving as a proxy for the Reality headset today.
| Meaning, you can go to https://www.apple.com/augmented-
| reality/ right now to get a preview of how Apple will be
| selling Reality to customers.
|
| We don't yet know how Reality will work with iPads/iPhones,
| but one can read the tea leaves by thinking about how Apple
| will leverage technologies like Handoff, Continuity, AirPlay,
| etc. It's not crazy to think that Reality will leverage
| nearby devices for storage, connectivity, and even compute
| and GPU.
|
| In other words: Rather than wondering _if_ iPads will be part
| of Apple 's MR plans, I recommend thinking about _how_ iPads
| will increasingly be part of Apple 's MR plans.
| Valgrim wrote:
| Simple question here: Video files are HUGE. An iPad, even with a
| fairly large storage for a tablet, would be quickly swamped by
| the files, and to transfer the RAW video files to and from the
| device would make it quite frustrating.
|
| Is there a way to connect an external drive on an iPad?
| andrewmunsell wrote:
| Presumably, you could edit using proxies on your iPad and only
| have those actually synced to the iPad itself for space saving.
| It's not 1:1 to your source footage, but depending on how you
| encoded the proxy it certainly would be good enough for cutting
| footage on the go and you could sync the project back to your
| computer to continue working.
| Melatonic wrote:
| Yeah proxies would be the way to go with this - that or short
| form content. You could easily have a bunch of high quality
| videos on an iPad to edit a single 2 or 3 minute video which
| may be their target audience here. Once you are done send
| those high quality source files up to a cloud storage and
| delete them locally.
|
| Personally I am still waiting for someone to really get the
| proxy workflow right - it still requires too much manual
| control and planning. Someone needs to create a very robust
| asset management plane that does a better job of autolinking
| files when they are accidentality unlinked (could be easily
| done with a simple AI analyzing video content of different
| files along with an audio analyzer).
| andrewmunsell wrote:
| > Personally I am still waiting for someone to really get
| the proxy workflow right - it still requires too much
| manual control and planning. Someone needs to create a very
| robust asset management plane that does a better job of
| autolinking files when they are accidentality unlinked
| (could be easily done with a simple AI analyzing video
| content of different files along with an audio analyzer).
|
| I'm hoping that the iPad app will push BM to be the ones to
| do this. Given that the concept of a filesystem on an iPad
| is very different (yeah, the Files app exists but it's
| terribly buggy if you are using network shares and stuff)
| and the need for auto-linking goes up quite a bit.
|
| If their MVP iPad app evolves into something that "just
| works" across devices, then I think they will have a really
| good value proposition in a field where short-form or fast
| produced social media content can be done on the go.
| wil421 wrote:
| On my M1 Air I use a 500gb USB C San Disk drive as my scratch.
| You can get much higher drives and connect it over USB C.
| VanTheBrand wrote:
| All usb-c iPads support external drives and the old lightning
| ones have limited support with an adapter
| sneak wrote:
| The iPad Pro has faster storage than most people's computers,
| and the same i/o as the Macbook Air (USB3/Thunderbolt).
|
| It would not be swamped, no.
| dmicah wrote:
| Sounds like it from their description ("USB-C media disks"):
|
| Supported file formats include H.264, H.265, Apple ProRes and
| Blackmagic RAW, with clips able to be imported from the iPad
| Pro internal storage and Photos library, or externally
| connected iCloud and USB-C media disks.
| asadlionpk wrote:
| Yup, the drive shows up in the Files app when mounted.
| barkingcat wrote:
| Lumafusion (the incumbent product in this space) can edit
| directly on an external drive without copying the information
| to the ipad itself.
|
| I use a 4tb samsung ssd and on usb-c , it's pretty much as fast
| as you need it to go, and if you need more space, you can get
| 8TB ssd's - it's more expensive, but it's easy enough to get.
| lostgame wrote:
| Embarrassing that this exists before Apple gets its own Final Cut
| Pro on their so-called 'iPad Pro'.
|
| Never understood how they could have the audacity to call it an
| iPad 'Pro' when none of Apple's actual by-name 'Pro' software was
| - or, to this date - 5 years later - still is.
|
| No 'Logic Pro', no 'Final Cut Pro'...still no Xcode, either.
| Other than illustrators/designers, can someone please explain to
| me what 'Pro' can use an iPad 'Pro' for any serious professional-
| grade tasks?
|
| The mind boggles.
|
| Similar to a game console, I purchase hardware for the software
| it can run. I don't _care_ if it 's as powerful as my equivalent
| MacBook Pro; because there's nothing I can use to take advantage
| of that power.
| whyenot wrote:
| DaVinci hasn't been released yet. This is an announcement that
| it will be released for iPad in Q4. FCP could still be released
| first.
| rcarr wrote:
| Come on, this is disingenuous. If it was going to be released
| first it would have been the software shown off in the promo
| videos. They wouldn't show a competitor if they were about to
| drop one of their flagship pieces of software on iPad for the
| first time, they'd be making a song and dance of it.
| teamspirit wrote:
| Now if we can just get Logic (with VSTs). I'd love to leave my
| MBP at home when I'm on the road and still be able to write
| music.
| seanw444 wrote:
| Full-fledged mobile DAW is one thing I'm surprised doesn't
| really exist. That would make so much money. I know I'm not the
| only person that gets sudden ideas that _need_ to be expressed
| audibly before the inspiration is gone, on the go.
| [deleted]
| VanTheBrand wrote:
| One of the things that makes this a big deal is an iPad is often
| the most color accurate highest quality display anyone has.
| Ancapistani wrote:
| Yep. I do almost of my photo editing on my iPad for this
| reason. For video I've been using my iPad as an external
| display and color grading in Resolve.
| Gigachad wrote:
| You don't realize how extremely off consumer monitors are until
| you compare it to a calibrated one like the ipad.
| rcarr wrote:
| Does anyone know what stabiliser they used in the promos when
| they were showing off the iPad Pro filming the car and then
| editing the footage in DaVinci?
| lencastre wrote:
| Asking for a friend who is amateur, how does this compare to
| LumaTouch's LumaFusion?
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| It's a full-blown editing, VFX, and grading package, used for
| some really heavy-duty productions. If you don't want to edit
| larger than 4k resolution, the free-as-in-beer version does
| nearly everything else that the paid-for one does. The paid-for
| one is about 200 quid.
|
| The training materials (I've linked to them below) are second
| to none, not just for video editing tools but for any software
| I've ever seen. Have a look at them - there are some training
| videos and several very comprehensive books backed up with
| high-quality sample material.
|
| On a PC, you'll need a decent graphics card but I managed with
| a Core i5-4570, 16GB of RAM, and a GT1030 - I am a patient man,
| though, and don't mind kicking off a render and going for a cup
| of tea with a good book.
|
| Dig through the training material:
|
| https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/...
| gespadas wrote:
| This is awesome!!! It's great to have this option as an
| alternative on-the-go.
| onebot wrote:
| Love this!!! I am huge DaVinci fan because it runs cross-platform
| (yes linux too). The price is amazing for such a high quality
| product. Need to see what you really can do on the iPad, I doubt
| the VFX stuff is there. But this is great.
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