[HN Gopher] Apple unveils redesigned iPad
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Apple unveils redesigned iPad
Author : todsacerdoti
Score : 67 points
Date : 2022-10-18 15:01 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| andrewstuart wrote:
| I really like iPads but I haven't used mine for years now. It's
| sitting in a box somewhere. There doesn't seem to be a need for
| it, for me.
| reneherse wrote:
| Mine sat around too, until I began using it as an extended
| display on a stand. The recent Mac OS auxiliary display
| features are pretty good (brilliant in some ways, maddening in
| others).
| nfriedly wrote:
| You should probably sell it or give it to a family member or
| something like that.
| hathym wrote:
| still a rectangle with rounded corners.
| switch007 wrote:
| PS369 to PS499. Ouch
| sheepybloke wrote:
| Finally! One of my biggest disappointments during the last
| announcement cycle was that they didn't update the looks of the
| base model iPad. The old design was iconic, but looked very
| dated, which was frustrating since you would have to buy at least
| an Air to get a tablet from Apple that looked like it was modern.
| It also made recommending the base iPad hard, because while the
| ecosystem is the best ecosystem for a tablet, the tablet looked
| and felt so dated. A welcome refresh in my opinion!
| _dongle_aster_ wrote:
| This is still only compatible with the 1st gen Apple Pencil which
| charges with a male lightning connector. Since this new iPad no
| longer has a lightning port you now need an adaptor which, at
| least, they include in the box.
| alden5 wrote:
| nope it doesn't include the adapter, its a $9 extra purchased
| on top of the pencil, also the adapter is female on both sides
| so the dongle doesn't plug in directly to the ipad, it requires
| a cable
| bitsoda wrote:
| So they only support Apple Pencil Gen 1, but remove the Lightning
| port which it requires for charging, so they sell you a dongle,
| but the environment is important to Apple. Okay.
|
| What's the point of the flat edges if you're not going to support
| the Apple Pencil Gen 2? I get that a company like Apple deals in
| massive scale, but this seems so off-putting as a consumer. Just
| merge the iPad Air and iPad lines already, they're doing some sad
| technical gymnastics trying to differentiate the lines.
| gpt5 wrote:
| This is an overly negative comment for what is a positive move.
| Supporting USB-C instead of lightning is good, and it is a
| reasonable cost to have older accessories face backwards
| compatibility issues.
| gregoriol wrote:
| They could have support Pencil 2, which is being sold quite
| some time now... the point is that is doesn't make much sense
| to only support Pencil 1.
| layer8 wrote:
| My guess is:
|
| - They want to standardize on the flat-edge design for
| aesthetic/consistency/synergy/slightly-more-usable-volume
| reasons. The entry-level iPad was the last remaining
| iPhone/iPad with non-flat edges.
|
| - Pencil 2 charging conflicts with a landscape camera. (This
| also explains why the new iPad Pros have kept the portrait
| camera.) They chose the landscape camera, and the missing
| Pencil 2 support provides an additional differentiator for the
| iPad Air.
|
| - They have to migrate to USB-C before the end of 2023 due to
| EU regulations, and the next update of the entry-level iPad may
| not happen before 18 months from now.
|
| It probably all makes sense from Apple's perspective, even
| though the result is confusing and irritating for consumers.
| lm28469 wrote:
| > but the environment is important to Apple
|
| Nobody even themselves believe that, it's 100% marketing, they
| wouldn't be shitting ten new devices with welded batteries per
| year if they cared
| scarface74 wrote:
| If only Apple offered a service to replace just the
| battery...
| VLM wrote:
| Its a very 1980s Soviet Union vibe. Sure, we have to say we
| believe all this stuff that nobody believes anymore, yeah.
| lm28469 wrote:
| In a way it is, but capitalism has been way more successful
| than the soviet's Pravda could have dreamed of
| vt85 wrote:
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| Are you ignoring the effort to clear their supply chain and
| own engineering of all sorts of chemicals known to be toxic
| during manufacture, use, and recycling/disposal?
|
| It's been completed over 10 years ago easily.
| lm28469 wrote:
| The process is inherently a waste of resource, you can make
| it as efficient as you want, selling airpods with glued
| batteries, 200 millions phones per year, pushing people to
| continuously upgrade, &c. is an unsustainable waste
|
| This is like the aviation industry, rolls royce making
| their engine 5% more efficient over a decade is nice, if in
| the meantime we multiplied the number of flights by 30
| we're still fucked
|
| So yes apple removed some plastic wraps and uses a bit of
| recycled aluminum, its all marketing, carbon neutrality
| isn't a thing, green capitalism isn't a thing, it's a feel
| good marketing slogan for 30 years old techbros buying a
| new apple watch every 9 months
| scarface74 wrote:
| Have you looked at the typical AirPod and how much of is
| actually the battery?
| lm28469 wrote:
| Well you're making my point... when the tiny ass battery
| inevitably fails after being cycled 1-3 times per day
| every day you have to get rid of the whole otherwise
| perfectly fine working product because no one can swap
| the battery in an economically viable way
|
| How efficient is that ? You could have a screw in battery
| taking the same amount of space and allowing a basically
| unlimited life, but I guess I'm not a "genius(tm)"
|
| Just so you know this is how e waste is "recycled":
|
| https://www.spiegel.de/international/tomorrow/electronic-
| was...
|
| https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/burning-
| truth-...
|
| https://www.genevaenvironmentnetwork.org/resources/update
| s/t...
| scarface74 wrote:
| And the alternative is a larger battery and a heavier
| headphone for something that goes directly in your ear.
| lm28469 wrote:
| The horror... "why did you destroy your home planet ?"
| "convenience"
| scarface74 wrote:
| Yes I'm sure a 1 pound set of headphones would have been
| comfortable hanging on your ears and out of all of the
| things that are "destroying the planet", I'm sure that
| AirPods are a bigger culprit than anything - including
| all of the Android phones that get thrown away because
| they never see an update.
| [deleted]
| mdtrooper wrote:
| hypertele-Xii wrote:
| > The stunning 10.9-inch Liquid Retina display extends to the
| edges
|
| No it doesn't.
|
| https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/ipad/standard/...
| bobbylarrybobby wrote:
| It extends to the edges of the display!
| joe5150 wrote:
| This is a new level of asking me to reject the evidence of my
| eyes and ears. I'm also not sure "completely redesigned" rings
| true. It looks more or less exactly like the iPad Air?
| bmitc wrote:
| Yea, didn't the iPad Air already have the touch to unlock
| sensor on the power button? Are they claiming it is
| completely redesigned because they just "renamed" the iPad
| Air to iPad? Apple has always had misleading content if not
| outright lies in their marketing.
| bradgessler wrote:
| Yeah there's a huge black bezel around the whole thing.
| mkmk wrote:
| Maybe they mean that there's no notch/punch hole?
| cromka wrote:
| Yeah, but then they would be redefining the "edge".
| layer8 wrote:
| They mean there's no home button.
| wanderingstan wrote:
| The edges are getting so thin that there are even 3rd party
| products that allow you to properly grip an iPad while drawing:
| http://darkboard.com/
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| Well, that thing adds like five inches of bevel so it doesn't
| seem like a response to shrinking bevel sizes. If it only
| added an inch, the observation would make more sense.
| layer8 wrote:
| The previous iPad design with thinner bezels on two sides and
| larger bezels on the two other sides was arguably the better
| design.
| TIPSIO wrote:
| Ha, great catch. Also the title:
|
| > unveils completely redesigned iPad
|
| More: "unveils just slightly upgraded with nearly the same
| design"
| gregoriol wrote:
| "with almost the design of the iPad Air 5 introduced some
| time ago but nobody remembers"
| rexf wrote:
| Yeah, Apple has normalized misleading marketing speak.
|
| Here's one from 2017 about the iPhone
|
| > iPhone X: Apple's new 'edge-to-edge' screen includes strange
| notch at the top
|
| > The screen doesn't actually go edge-to-edge, despite
| descriptions that refer to it that way. Or rather, it goes to
| three of the edges - leaving a little cut-out at the top, where
| the screen can't quite reach to the top of the display.
|
| https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/iphone-x-apple-screen-dis...
| everdrive wrote:
| Why would I even want it to? The bezel is functional. It allows
| me to hold the screen or prop it up without obscuring the
| display or GUI. I wish bezels would come back.
| crazygringo wrote:
| Yeah, I mean I know what they mean (no more _larger_ bezel on
| _two_ sides like before, bezels on all sides are all now
| smaller /equal) -- but that's not the right way to describe it.
| dmonitor wrote:
| The screen extends completely to the edges of the screen. It's
| tautologically correct.
| Ptchd wrote:
| geysersam wrote:
| *for some definition of "edges", specifically the edges of the
| display, hence the display extends to the edges, by definition
| hnburnsy wrote:
| would really like an iPad like the Surface with squared screen
| corners and a built in stand.
| secabeen wrote:
| This is a big change for K-12, as it instantly EOLs all the mass
| charging equipment they have. Certainly doable, but with the
| increased price and the necessary charging equipment that now all
| needs to be replaced, it's a pretty big price hit.
| ihuman wrote:
| This iPad has the flat sides from the Air and Pro, but it's not
| compatible with the 2nd gen iPad pencil. Instead, they're
| releasing a USB-C adapter so you can charge it directly from the
| iPad (1st gen plugged directly into the iPad's lightning port).
| LegitShady wrote:
| truly baffling
| rootusrootus wrote:
| The Pencil is one of the more irritating product choices Apple
| has made. Plugging the first gen directly into a Lightning port
| end-first was a stupid idea from the get go. Version 2 got that
| right. But why did they need to make them incompatible
| otherwise? Other than to make a few extra bucks, of course.
| Forcing people to upgrade for no particular reason, and on top
| of that continuing to sell both versions for different devices.
| It's ridiculous.
| praveen9920 wrote:
| Is it me or innovation at apple is going down?
|
| The last time they released a "new type" of device is the apple
| watch or TV and all they are doing these days is "improving"
| existing devices. Don't get me wrong, I prefer apple's eco-system
| over others but I feel that the Apple most people love is no
| more.
|
| I understand from a business perspective that they want to milk
| the cash cows but I am afraid they are slowly becoming more like
| Microsoft. Probably time for new player.
| cududa wrote:
| The M* series chips are an absolutely wild innovation. Changed
| the whole productline and imo, represtents a "new type" of
| devive. Plus the VR headset is coming, and the AR glasses are
| going to knock everyones socks off when they see how clever
| they are compared to every other AR waveguide approach
| tiffanyh wrote:
| This appears to be mostly a rebranded 2020 iPad Air, now
| available in multiple colors at $150 cheaper price point than
| when the Air was launched.
|
| https://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/?modelList=ipad-air-4th-g...
| skiman10 wrote:
| The camera is now side mounted and for some reason the new
| basic iPad only has 1st gen pencil support with an asinine $9
| adapter to charge it. Oh and a non-laminated display on the
| basic iPad still.
|
| https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQLU3AM/A/usb-c-to-apple-...
| alexanderchr wrote:
| Maybe Apple still has a surplus of first gen pencils to get
| rid off?
| dagmx wrote:
| The previous gen iPad is still available so it likely is to
| reduce confusion and having an extra sku
| brewdad wrote:
| Is the non-laminated display really an issue when 90+ % of
| users are going to slap a screen protector on this Day 1.
|
| I am disappointed in the lack of 2nd gen pencil support
| though.
| [deleted]
| turtlebits wrote:
| The pencil comes with that adapter.
| coder543 wrote:
| Yeah, I've seen several people trying to say this is related
| to the iPad Air, but... other than some similar design
| aesthetics, this device does not appear to be related to the
| iPad Air _at all._ The exterior dimensions are all different,
| and this new iPad is missing several important features from
| the iPad Air. The screen doesn 't even support the P3 gamut
| that the 2020 iPad Air supported.
| formerly_proven wrote:
| That's a pretty massive price increase isn't it? Worse for
| europoors: 350 EUR to ~550 EUR - 60 % (430 and 580 at Apple
| directly, 35 %)
| pooper wrote:
| I would be OK with it if the Wi Fi only non cellular version
| came with GPS but once again GPS is limited to cellular only.
|
| Is there any reason to do this besides price discrimination?
| unclenoriega wrote:
| It's probably using A-GPS.
| 0x457 wrote:
| A-GPS aka A-GNSS still uses GPS signal. The only difference
| is that metadata is downloaded via fast link (cellular or
| wifi) instead of slow satellite link. IIRC all mobile
| devices with A-GPS can download that over satellite link if
| needed, just takes longer.
|
| The real issue here is that it's integrated into a cellular
| modem, not that it's A-GPS.
| foxandmouse wrote:
| GPS is integrated into the cellular system, the GPS is
| handled by the Intel PMB9960 P10PSV modem,
| msoad wrote:
| USB-C on this is not the big news. The USB-C on Apple TV remote
| controller is the sign you're looking for. Apple is end of life-
| ing Lightning connector after all
| Hamuko wrote:
| I imagine AirPods and the iPhone will be next year, considering
| the EU USB-C deadline is approaching and it doesn't really make
| sense for the AirPods and the iPhone to have different charging
| cables.
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| > the EU USB-C deadline is approaching
|
| It's only arriving in the end of 2024, so in theory even the
| 2024 iPhones could still use Lightning.
|
| I'd imagine the Pro iPhones would ditch Lightning first,
| hopefully for Thunderbolt/USB4 for fast transfer speeds for
| video files.
|
| The non-Pro iPhones would probably move over to USB-C the
| year after the Pro phones do.
| bonney_io wrote:
| This thing is a mess. The new design, but using the OLD Pencil
| (requiring a USB-C to Lightning adapter), and it's $120 more
| expensive
| xenonite wrote:
| It has speakers on either side. That probably kills the adequate
| microphone quality for free speaking on the previous iPads. The
| closer the microphone is to the speakers, the harder it is for
| loopback canceling to work good.
|
| So, back to the headset. Oh, I forgot: can't use the headphone
| jack for that. So how am I supposed to do calls the whole day
| without recharging?
|
| Also, I prefer to plug in a LAN adapter to improve latency
| (Lightning to USB Adapter to LAN). No, I won't go for a Bluetooth
| headset with even worse latency.
| jamesgeck0 wrote:
| This doesn't use Lightning. I'm positive there's some USB-C
| dongle that splits off power, aux, and ethernet.
| smileybarry wrote:
| From the pricing section:
|
| > Wi-Fi models of the new iPad are available with a starting
| price of $449 (US), and Wi-Fi + Cellular models start at $599
| (US). The new iPad, in 64GB and 256GB configurations, comes in
| blue, pink, yellow, and silver.
|
| > iPad (9th generation) will remain in the iPad lineup. Wi-Fi
| models of iPad (9th generation) are available with a starting
| price of $329 (US), and Wi-Fi + Cellular models start at $459
| (US), in silver and space gray finishes.
|
| They're keeping the older model and making this sort of a price
| hike, which I'm not a fan of, but at least I can stop
| recommending the $600 iPad Air just to avoid the old iPad design
| ecosystem.
|
| Also, funnily enough: the new iPad comes with _A14_ Bionic and
| the new Apple TV 4K comes with _A15_ Bionic. I get that it 's due
| to binning and such but it's still a bit funny.
| dudus wrote:
| Really weird they kept the A14 for the new iPads. The iPad mini
| already uses A15 as well as the Apple TV.
|
| The iPad mini is $50 more but it has A15 and Pencil 2.
| StevePerkins wrote:
| Eeesh, I dunno.
|
| With an iPad costing about 50% more than a decent (e.g. Lenovo or
| Samsung) Android tablet, then I would absolutely go for the Apple
| product. My $450 8th gen iPad is a fantastic device.
|
| But if an iPad now costs 100%+ more than a decent Android tablet,
| then I think I'm being squeezed out here. A tablet is a not a
| laptop-replacement for me. It's a thing that I use to read books
| and watch movies laying in bed. $600+ for that is starting to get
| silly, when there are plenty of serviceable options in the $300
| range.
| d3nj4l wrote:
| You can still get the 9th gen iPad at $329.
| Kon-Peki wrote:
| Even better would have been to get one of those last month
| when Costco was liquidating their stock for $270.
|
| Almost nobody carries the "old model" in stock, always a good
| idea to pay attention when they lower the price to get rid of
| it ;)
| tonymet wrote:
| Android tablets are universally terrible. A poor product isn't
| worth half the price - better to avoid it altogether.
| nfriedly wrote:
| Eh, I get where you're coming from, because _most_ Android
| tablets are indeed terrible. However, I finally got myself
| one of the higher-end Samsung ones (Tab S7) and it 's
| ...fine. Not earth-shatteringly good, but I'm happy with it.
|
| It's completely replaced my iPad usage except for one game
| that isn't available on Android (FTL) - I still break out the
| iPad to play that occasionally.
|
| No tablet is going to replace my laptop for my primary task
| of coding, but for video calls, email, note taking, slack,
| checking my calendar, web browsing, movies, and occasional
| gaming, the Samsung tablet is great.
|
| Two things I particularly like about the Samsung tablet are
| the microSD slot for expandable storage, and the fact that I
| can unlock the bootloader and install a community ROM
| whenever Samsung stops supporting it.
|
| The lack of a headphone jack is disappointing, but I think
| Apple is partially to blame for that.
| w1nst0nsm1th wrote:
| Xiaomi My Pad 5 is a great device for 400$.
|
| Hi res, great battery life. Improved user experience, and
| spied all at once by Xiaomi, Google, Uncle Sam and Uncle Xi.
|
| The real magic with android devices is you can (could?)
| obtain easily superuser privilege just by 'dd' the system
| partition, install in it supersu binaries with proper
| privileges and ownership by mounting the said partition on a
| linux system, and fastboot it back in the tablet.
|
| You could also back up your whole data partition in the same
| way and upload the resulting .img file to mega cloud drive
| automatically with a script if you had a sd slot in the
| tablet as a temporary directory...
|
| And until KitKat, you could also install and run a full
| debian system with debootstrap side by side with android with
| DebianKit on the android kernel (no chroot nonsense). It was
| a marvel of its kind at time impossible now.
|
| That being said, I'm writing this on an iPad.
| vjeux wrote:
| Can someone explain what the "completely redesigned" references?
| It doesn't look different than any ipads before to me.
| awestroke wrote:
| They designed it from scratch: rounded corners, black bezels,
| glossy screen, side buttons. It's pure coincidence that it
| looks exactly like the previous design
| dont__panic wrote:
| The old 9th gen iPad still had a home button, fun colors, and a
| totally square screen. This update removes the home button,
| brings rounded display corners and colors and a new processor.
| And brings the non-Mini, non-Pro iPad into the same design
| language as the iPhone and the Mini/Pro iPads.
|
| There might still be a fingerprint sensor in the lock button,
| though.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| These small changes are "big news" because the iPad is not
| (yet) a fashion statement, unlike the iPhone, who suffers
| enough small changes each iteration so your peers can guess
| what model you have and how cool you are.
|
| I don't know if it's common, but I associate iPads with small
| kids, and maybe Apple wants to change that perception.
| ihuman wrote:
| Yes, they moved the fingerprint sensor to the lock bottom on
| top
| crims0n wrote:
| Looks like price increased to $449 USD? Still a good value, but a
| noticeable increase.
| cromka wrote:
| Came here to notice that. This price hike will somehow put
| cheap Android tablets on the map, again. Previously there was
| hardly a justification to get any of them if iPad was $299 --
| and frequently could be had for even less than that.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| They continue to sell the old cheaper one. Is it still better
| than a current model Android tablet?
| cromka wrote:
| Oh, I thought they phased it out. Yeah, AFIK it still kicks
| Android tablet's ass.
| eldaisfish wrote:
| any android table entering the fray now will need at least a
| decade of existence before it can hope to challenge the ipad
| as a tablet. As much as i dislike apple, the ipad is
| synonymous with tablets.
|
| This process involves eating losses for several years and
| only the likes of google or samsung are capable of doing so.
| Samsung have so many models of tablets available with such
| poor software support that it is a complete non-starter.
| jameshart wrote:
| What on earth is a 'liquid retina' display?
| artimaeis wrote:
| The "liquid" in liquid retina refers to the corners of the
| display being rounded to match the bezels. Retina is a now
| longstanding Apple term for high enough resolution to not see
| pixels at normal viewing distances. Hope that clarifies things,
| they should keep a glossary page up for things like this, hah.
| 58028641 wrote:
| Liquid (LCD) retina (high resolution)
| warp wrote:
| Liquid refers to it being an LCD (Liquid-crystal display), so
| not OLED.
|
| Retina is Apple's name for a high pixel density display, in
| this case it's 2360x1640 pixels at 10" so 264 PPI?
| jameshart wrote:
| Have other retina displays been marketed as 'organic retina'?
| Have previous LCD retina displays been marketed using this
| term?
| _dongle_aster_ wrote:
| Yes, since Apple started selling devices with OLED screens,
| they have called new products with LCD screens Liquid
| Retina. See iPhone XR, iPhone 11, iPad Mini 6, etc.
| warp wrote:
| They seem to be using "Super Retina" for all their OLED
| screens.
|
| (I agree with artimaeis the marketing is confusing and they
| should publish a glossary page with definitions for these
| terms).
| ben7799 wrote:
| The price spread on this versus the Air is questionable.
|
| Stock price on this for 256GB is $600, the Air with 256GB is
| $750.
|
| But the Air 256GB is $660 on Amazon right now.
|
| $60 for the M1 and a few other advantages seem worth it.
| [deleted]
| xd1936 wrote:
| There are a few other nice things that you get with the new
| 10th Gen iPad... Namely, a landscape front-facing camera and
| newer Magic Keyboard Folio.
|
| https://twitter.com/viticci/status/1582392074275819520
| dont__panic wrote:
| They finally killed the headphone jack in the plain-jane iPad,
| what a shame. I'm not exactly a tablet person -- my ereader suits
| me just fine for reading, which is all I'd want to do on a
| tablet, anyway -- but why do people put up with this? I
| understand that phones are small, and thus "hard" to fit the jack
| into... but why remove it from tablets?
| mattnewton wrote:
| Apple sells a lot of wireless headphones.
| skrause wrote:
| So which wireless headphones do I get for $19 like the
| EarPods?
| mattnewton wrote:
| Those wired headphones used to be cheap enough to include
| in the box.
|
| Now you're upsold $169 airpods from apple, or $79 power
| beats (also from apple). The experience is better, sure,
| but they also left nothing to chance here by closing the
| door on your existing cheap wired headphones.
| scarface74 wrote:
| Or you can buy literally any BT or USB C headphones.
| ThatPlayer wrote:
| https://www.scarbir.com/truewireless : This guy has done a
| ton of reviews on cheap TWS. I've picked a few 25$ ones off
| his recommendations and they work fine.
| andrewstuart wrote:
| "No. You don't want or need that headphone jack".
|
| ...... anonymous Apple designer.
| layer8 wrote:
| Apple wants you to buy AirPods.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| They had to because it's impossible to water proof the iPad
| with a headphone jack, or because there's not enough space
| inside the device, I forgot what was the official reason they
| used for the iPhone. The unofficial reason is that no headphone
| port means more AirPod sales.
| mattnewton wrote:
| Lots of waterproof android phones on the market had a 3.5mm
| jack before their brand of wireless headphones was ready to
| upsell, which I think points pretty conclusively to the
| "unofficial" reason being the real reason.
| samcat116 wrote:
| At this point all my headphones are bluetooth anyways. One less
| port water and stuff can get into (although I agree they
| probably should have kept it here).
| asdff wrote:
| OTOH my earpods have gone though the wash several times, I
| don't think the bluetooth headphones will cooperate with a
| rainstorm much less the laundry machine.
| brk wrote:
| At this point I'm over wired headphones. I carry a couple of
| pairs in my backpack for use on airplane seat back
| entertainment systems, but otherwise I prefer Bluetooth
| earbuds.
| naravara wrote:
| I prefer the bluetooth ones for convenience, but the option
| to go wired would be nice. Especially since some VOIP and
| conference software does weird stuff with latency
| compensation when you're on bluetooth.
| ls15 wrote:
| > but why do people put up with this?
|
| What is the alternative? Android tablets are no drop-in
| replacement. Ipads are great for music production. Many great
| apps only exist on iOS. Bluetooth audio introduces a delay
| which makes playing software instruments live impractical. So
| dongles until Apple comes to reason.
| D13Fd wrote:
| Yeah! And why can't don't they have ports for SD cards, USB
| sticks, and floppy disks!
|
| At some point, things change. We're at that point with wired
| headphones. You can already share Bluetooth headphones across a
| Mac/iPhone/Tablet with extreme ease. And if you really want,
| you can adapt regular wired headphones to bluetooth.
|
| And on iPads specifically, it's not like people are carrying
| them around in their pocket to listen to music.
| gkbrk wrote:
| Huh? Android phones support SD cards and USB sticks.
| dont__panic wrote:
| Hilarious. SD card support in phones and tablets is another
| requirement for me, and yet another reason why I won't buy
| Apple products in those categories. Built-in storage is
| expensive and anemic. SD cards are especially appropriate for
| photo and music storage, since they're read-heavy workloads
| and convenient to transfer between devices when you want to
| move the data around.
|
| I don't care what anybody says: bluetooth is still trash:
|
| - I routinely block bluetooth signals with just my body, for
| instance when I exercise with my phone in my pocket.
|
| - Bluetooth headphones live on borrowed time since batteries
| are not repairable in most over-ear models, much less buds.
|
| - I don't want to manage another set of batteries.
|
| - Bluetooth audio suffers from an order of magnitude greater
| latency than wired audio.
|
| - Bluetooth audio is noticeably worse quality, and codec
| compatibility is a mess between devices.
|
| - Using bluetooth for audio input and output simultaneously
| inevitably results in garbage quality for both. Just ask any
| of my coworkers in an audio call where they use AirPods.
|
| Obviously floppy discs are not needed anymore, especially in
| mobile form factors.
|
| By "USB sticks," I assume you're referring to USB-A ports,
| and guess what: I still have a ton of USB-A devices, and I'm
| not about to generate pounds of ewaste by throwing out the
| devices and/or cables. That port is going to be useful for
| years still. But you bring up a good point: why can't we at
| least have two USB-C ports on the iPad Pro? Wouldn't it be
| useful to charge and use a peripheral sometimes?
|
| People play games and watch videos all the time on iPads. The
| aux jack is useful. There's almost certainly enough free
| space in the chassis to fit the port. It's great that you're
| utterly in love with bluetooth and you can't imagine using
| anything else, but it really sucks for everyone else that we
| don't even have an option any more.
| KindAndFriendly wrote:
| The main use case for my current iPad is to connect the audio-
| jack to my guitar amp and use GarageBand - which currently
| works great because I can charge the iPad at the same time. I
| guess in the future one can only use the audio out OR charge -
| which is a shame.
|
| Edit: No, I can't really use bluetooth here since a) 99% of
| guitar amps have no BT support and b) the latency is
| noticeable.
| lathiat wrote:
| If you search Belkin Rockstar there is a dual port lightning
| adaptor and also a lightning+3.5mm adaptor.
|
| Can still be done with a dongle at least.
| nfriedly wrote:
| I believe this iPad has USB-C instead of lightning, but
| there's a "Belkin Rockstar" for that too:
| https://www.belkin.com/us/adapters/audio-
| charge/rockstar-3-5... (as well as several other brands)
| barbazoo wrote:
| Having to buy more stuff. Mission accomplished.
| KindAndFriendly wrote:
| Thank you.
|
| >> Rockstar -> ...looks like Belkin still does user
| research ;-)
| jamesgeck0 wrote:
| At least generic USB-C/Aux splitters are much cheaper than
| Apple's Lightning/Aux splitters were. The product in my first
| search result was only $15.
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| Professionals and audiophiles (not the audience of the base
| iPad) use an external DAC, etc.
|
| Regular people these days use Bluetooth audio.
|
| That leaves people who just want wired headphones. Plenty of
| cheap USB-C to 3.5mm adapters out there.
| lern_too_spel wrote:
| All the Apple devices I've used have notoriously buggy
| Bluetooth implementations. Maybe their implementation for
| communicating with Apple headphones is less buggy, but even
| when I have working Bluetooth, I'd much rather charge fewer
| devices and not have to deal with dongles when switching
| devices.
| secabeen wrote:
| K-12 schools will have to replace their existing headphones
| with USB-C models, but that's not too bad, the headphones
| take a lot of abuse in that environment. EOLing the lightning
| charging infrastructure they have is going to be more
| impactful.
| darkwater wrote:
| USB-C?? Is hell freezing over or good regulations making their
| magic?
| LegitShady wrote:
| my 2018 ipad pro has USB-C. It's great. I can use standard
| usb-c hubs and whatnot with it. this has been slowly happening
| but its been happening.
| petesergeant wrote:
| My iPad Mini (or is it an Air?) from last Xmas has USB-C
| tenebrisalietum wrote:
| They're seriously trying to replace laptops.
| rootusrootus wrote:
| My iPad Pro from years ago has USB-C. Apple has been moving
| that way for a while. My guess is they're saving iPhone for
| last because they know more people will complain about having
| to buy new cables than are complaining now about continuing to
| use 10 year old Lightning cables.
| matwood wrote:
| Apple has been moving towards USB-C for a long time. It's not
| like this is their first USB-C device. I think it's the last
| iPad that needed to move.
| brundolf wrote:
| iPads have had USB-C for years now, which just makes the iPhone
| situation even more silly
| darkwater wrote:
| Oh, since it was posted as a highlight and seeing that
| iPhones still have the proprietary connector, I naively
| thought it was a novelty. Glad I was wrong, let's see when
| they fix this in iPhones as well.
| brundolf wrote:
| It's a very confusing announcement because "iPad" here
| means "the budget-model iPad", which has had the old design
| with lightning and a physical home button until now, while
| the other models (Air and Pro) haven't had either of those
| in years
| Overtonwindow wrote:
| Apple unveils the ... Microsoft Surface? I'm not seeing a
| "complete redesigned" iPad, if anything, it's a desperate gasp at
| the Surface and Chromebook markets.
| sdeyerle wrote:
| Why hasn't the first-gen Apple Pencil died yet? This would be
| very compelling if it supported the second-gen Apple Pencil.
| layer8 wrote:
| The charging mechanism for the second-gen pencil probably
| conflicts with the landscape camera. Also, they don't have
| enough differentiators to the iPad Air.
| scoopertrooper wrote:
| I think it'd be too compelling for a lot of use cases. They
| want to nudge you up the product lineup.
| bmitc wrote:
| This seems like just a renamed iPad Air, but the iPad Air
| supports the second-generation pencil.
| kgermino wrote:
| Dang I completely missed that. I assumed this was USB-C and
| pencil 2 and planned to order one for my wife once I figured
| out which color/model to buy, but I guess I'll hold off a bit
| more :(
| MonkeyMalarky wrote:
| I'm holding out for when they make one with a translucent case.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| At first I thought it was a cheeky reference to Star Trek IV,
| but transparent aluminum is somewhat real:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride
| MonkeyMalarky wrote:
| Nothing so extravagant, just highlighting the "Vibrant
| colors!" part of the press release and remembering the days
| when colored (and transparent!) cases were popular. Aka the
| late 90s / early 2000s.
| csdvrx wrote:
| > one with a translucent case
|
| Just like your data is to their scapers!
|
| It's for your own good: so they can report you if you send a
| pic of your kid to a doc! /s
| Toutouxc wrote:
| So far 2022 has been a great year to buy 2021 Apple products for
| me. I got an iPhone 13 Mini slightly discounted from the old
| price, an iPad Mini, again with a ~10% discount, and a Series 7
| Watch, discounted. The current generations of all of these
| products are rather disappointing and significantly more
| expensive here in Europe. (The plain iPad was my alternative to
| the Mini, so I'm mentioning it)
| wiseowise wrote:
| > Testing was conducted by Apple in September 2022 using
| preproduction iPad (10th generation) systems with the Apple A14
| Bionic chip, as well as production MediaTek MT8768N-based Android
| tablet systems with the latest version of Android 11 available at
| the time of testing.
|
| https://www.notebookcheck.net/Mediatek-MT8768-Processor-Benc...
|
| > The MediatekMT8768 is an entry level ARM SoC for smartphones
| (mainly Android based) and tablets that was introduced in early
| 2020.
|
| Hahah, I can't believe they actually made this comparison.
| Macha wrote:
| Is Android even still the competition? The android tablet
| market has been dead for a while. Arguably makes more sense to
| compare to Windows tablets at this point.
| coder543 wrote:
| Taking the footnote out of context makes it look sillier than
| it is. Here is the actual quote where the footnote was used:
|
| > This makes the new iPad up to 5x faster than the best-selling
| Android tablet, and for users looking to upgrade from a device
| like iPad (7th generation), they will see up to 3x improvement
| in overall performance with the new iPad.
|
| The footnote also mentions this immediately after your quote
| ends, which you presumably left out because it would have made
| the theme of the above quote more obvious and less confusing:
|
| > Best-selling systems are based on publicly available sales
| data over the last 12 months.
|
| If Apple clearly states they are comparing to "the best-selling
| Android tablet", and they do, then I don't see what the problem
| is. They didn't say "compared to the fastest Android tablet"
| and then whip out the old MT8768 or some nonsense like that.
| The reader is welcome to disregard the comparison, but the
| comparison isn't misleading.
|
| The basic iPad has surely been Apple's best selling iPad for a
| long time, so that is Apple's point of comparison for this one.
| If they wanted to compare absolute performance against the best
| the Android tablet market has to offer, they would use the iPad
| Pro with the M2 chip, not the basic iPad.
|
| I would also point out that _anecdotally_ , I don't know a
| single person with an Android tablet that cost $200 or more. I
| know plenty of people with Android tablets that cost way less
| than $200. Most people reading Apple's comparison who have an
| Android tablet will be trying to understand why _they_ should
| pay the premium for an iPad instead of buying another $100
| tablet, and being 5x faster is a logical hook. People with a
| $400+ Android tablet are unlikely to be considering a basic
| iPad, since they 've clearly already made up their mind.
| wiseowise wrote:
| > Most people reading Apple's comparison who have an Android
| tablet will be trying to understand why they should pay the
| premium for an iPad instead of buying another $100 tablet,
| and being 5x faster is a logical hook. People with a $400+
| Android tablet are unlikely to be considering a basic iPad,
| since they've clearly already made up their mind.
|
| No, most people reading Apple's comparison will think that it
| is 5 times faster than fastest Android tablet and this is
| exactly what they're aiming for. How many non-developers or
| non-hardware enthusiasts do you expect to actually read what
| is best selling Android table CPU? None, they'll think that
| iPad is 5x faster than Galaxy tablet.
| coder543 wrote:
| > most people reading Apple's comparison will think that it
| is 5 times faster than fastest Android tablet and this is
| exactly what they're aiming for
|
| That is such a wild conclusion. Apple clearly says "best-
| selling" right in the claim. They didn't hide it in a
| footnote. I believe that "best-selling" is not a difficult
| concept to understand for most people, and I struggle to
| think of a better way for Apple to have worded things
| there. If BMW compared one of their new vehicles to the
| best-selling car in America, who is going think BMW is
| intending for the reader to compare against a Bugatti
| Chiron? That is not what anyone would conclude, and it's
| the same here.. no one should immediately conclude that
| Apple is comparing to the fastest Android tablet when they
| clearly say "best-selling".
|
| Since you apparently believe most people can't read (or at
| least, can't understand the words "best-selling"), there's
| probably nothing Apple could have written that would have
| worked for you here. The comparison against the class of
| android tablet that the reader is most likely to have is an
| extremely valid one.
| adeelk93 wrote:
| The galaxy tablet isn't the best selling android tablet?
| then what is, is it the kindle?
| bioemerl wrote:
| Similar price. Fair comparison.
| abainbridge wrote:
| Here's an Android Tablet with that chip for PS99 ($88 at
| current exchange rate). https://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/tcl-
| tab-10s-32gb-10.2-inch-w...
| m45t3r wrote:
| No it is not. A Xiaomi Mi Pad 5 for example is still cheaper
| than the newly announced iPad (US$399) and uses a much more
| powerful Qualcomm Snapdragon 860 CPU.
|
| A14 is still 1.5~2x[1] faster than this CPU, but using a
| really low budget CPU for comparison is really unfair here.
|
| [1]: https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/qualcomm-
| snapdragon-86...
| brundolf wrote:
| The branding has gotten so confusing
|
| As far as I can tell this is the exact same design the iPad Air
| has had for a couple years now, but "iPad" (no descriptor) is a
| separate product, which until now still used the old-school form
| factor with the physical home button, etc. So this design isn't
| new at all for "iPad the line of devices", but it is new for
| "iPad the budget-tier iPad"
|
| ...but even with that information- is this model still worse than
| the Air somehow even though its design has been updated? In what
| ways? Is it just slightly less powerful or something? Or did
| their positions flip? Why didn't they just drop this model,
| making the Air/Pro duality consistent with the MacBooks? Are they
| going to drop the Air instead? And most importantly for folks who
| haven't/can't research the technical details: "the iPad and iPad
| Air look identical [and have names that don't tell me how they're
| different]; which one should I buy??"
| the_lucifer wrote:
| > is this model still worse than the Air somehow even though
| its design has been updated?
|
| Yes, in a myriad of ways! This iPad doesn't have a laminated
| touchscreen, and it still uses the Gen. 1 Apple Pencil weirdly
| so no magnets and you need a type c to lightning adapter to
| charge it up.
| brundolf wrote:
| Lol wow, I thought that was a typo but you're right:
|
| > Apple Pencil (1st generation) is compatible with the new
| iPad. A new USB-C to Apple Pencil Adapter is required for
| pairing and charging and is included in the box with a new
| version of Apple Pencil (1st generation) for $99 (US).
|
| I didn't think they even still _made_ the first-gen Apple
| Pencil
|
| So now we get to explain to grandma why this will work with
| some Apple Pencils but not others
| the_lucifer wrote:
| Yes, I am surprised to see it flying under the radar here.
| But it not having the gen 2 pencil support is egregious
| especially given the hike in prices
| tomjen3 wrote:
| Lol, good catch. I was waiting for the upgrade specifically
| for the upgraded pencil support.
| crazygringo wrote:
| That's been the case for a long time. The "basic" iPad line
| has always only ever supported first-gen, it's never
| supported second-gen. You've had to explain this to grandma
| for years now.
|
| They really would have done better to brand them "Pencil"
| and "Pencil Pro", rather than 1st/2nd gen.
|
| There's a good reason for it though -- when schools etc.
| have all invested in buying tons of Pencils, they don't
| want to have to toss them for a new iPad. At $99 they ain't
| cheap.
| brewdad wrote:
| I'm not familiar with the internals and what goes into
| supporting Gen1 vs Gen2 but is it not possible they could
| have allowed this new iPad to support both?
|
| Gen1 for those who have already invested in one and Gen2
| for new customers they hope to attract or those who
| already own a Pro device and want a secondary tablet as
| well.
| crazygringo wrote:
| None of the iPads that support Gen2 have ever supported
| Gen1 (and vice-versa).
|
| I've never found any public details as to why. Obviously
| the charging and pairing mechanism is entirely different,
| but Gen1 can be charged with any USB charger, and Apple
| now sells a USB-C <-> Lightning adapter for pairing as
| well.
|
| I have no idea if there's anything about how the pencil
| interfaces with the screen that has changed between them.
| It almost makes me suspect there might be, for example
| since the new iPad Pro supports a new "hover" feature for
| Gen2.
| shadowfacts wrote:
| I "like" how Apple makes a better keyboard/trackpad case for the
| cheap iPad than for the Pro.
|
| The new Magic Keyboard Folio: - has a trackpad
| - has media keys - can lie flat on a table without having
| to remove the case
|
| The Magic Keyboard (the floaty one): - has a
| trackpad - does not have media keys - cannot lie flat
|
| The Smart Keyboard Folio: - does not have a
| trackpad - does not have media keys - can lie flat
|
| So if you have a Pro you have to pick between being able to
| easily write on the thing and having a trackpad available.
| garyfirestorm wrote:
| I recently got a logitech combo case. it works great with pro.
| epaulson wrote:
| I'm surprised they didn't also discontinue the iPad Air.
| alden5 wrote:
| the ipad air is still there for people like me who appreciate
| the performance from the m1 and dont want to use the old apple
| pencil with a dongle
| WastingMyTime89 wrote:
| They significantly raised its price. It's better for them. Why
| simplify when you can just price gouge your customers. It's
| Apple we are talking about.
| howinteresting wrote:
| Does the Apple Pencil still have the bug where if you store it
| near an iPad the battery drains and can even die permanently? All
| because form over function and there's no off switch.
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| I have three dead Apple Pencils that, I guess, died because I
| let them sit in a drawer for a year or so. Use them or lose
| them?
|
| I suppose there's no reason at this point not to try opening
| one up and have a go at replacing the battery.
| pomatic wrote:
| I misplaced an apple pencil recently. The $30 amazon
| "replacement" was perfectly serviceable and I no longer had
| to worry about losing it... (The original turned up a few
| weeks later - down the wife's side of the sofa :-)
| glenneroo wrote:
| You could try building a "faraday pencil case":
| https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8231431
| xd1936 wrote:
| Apple: "Every iPad now has USB-C"
|
| Us: "Great, so we don't have to deal with that awful 1st-Gen
| Apple Pencil charging anymore?"
|
| Apple: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQLU3AM/A/usb-c-to-
| apple-...
| chongli wrote:
| The whole Apple Pencil situation is pretty annoying. The 1st
| Gen charging style is ridiculous and should never have been
| designed that way. The 2nd Gen, however, has another problem
| entirely: it drains the iPad's battery even when fully charged.
| Leaving it snapped to the side of the iPad overnight will
| destroy the standby time in order to keep the pencil at 100%.
| This is dumb! After a few days the iPad will be completely dead
| but the pencil will be 100%. Thanks, Apple!
|
| I wish they'd license the battery-free stylus technology from
| Wacom. Charging the pencil all the time is so annoying that I
| hate using it.
| forrestthewoods wrote:
| omg I had no idea what was draining my battery. This explains
| so much. Holy crap.
| coder543 wrote:
| Until you test it for yourself, I wouldn't get so excited.
| I disagreed with their conclusion entirely in another
| comment already, as did several other people.
| coder543 wrote:
| My iPad mini (6th generation) drains in a few days _without_
| a Pencil attached to it, and nothing I 've been able to do
| manages to improve standby time noticeably. I think your
| blame is misplaced on the Apple Pencil. Apple needs to fix
| standby time on iPadOS across the board.
| chongli wrote:
| There may be something else draining yours. Battery life is
| an Anna Karenina principle [1] problem. There are many
| possible causes of battery drain. There is only one way to
| have long-lasting battery: the absence of all those
| sources.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_principle
| coder543 wrote:
| Yes, but all of that applies to you as well. At least two
| people have reported no battery drain with the Pencil
| attached: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33250550
|
| How certain are you that you've controlled all the
| variables? If the Pencil was the cause of a widespread
| issue, then I have to imagine lots of articles would be
| being written about this and Apple would be taking it
| seriously.
|
| As it is, I think that iPadOS just has a variety of
| things that can trigger bad battery life, and that's much
| harder for Apple to tackle than a single, easily-defined
| issue like the Apple Pencil affecting battery life would
| be.
| gambiting wrote:
| Are you sure it's the pencil? My M1 iPad Pro discharges to 0
| within 3-4 days whether I have the pencil attached or not.
| chongli wrote:
| Pretty sure. My standby time extends by a few days if I
| leave the pencil off instead of attached.
| cstejerean wrote:
| and my M1 iPad Pro does not. Might be worth checking the
| battery usage after a day of standby to see what is using
| significant amount of power while backgrounded.
| tekeous wrote:
| I have my doubts - my iPad Pro 11 M1 does not discharge at
| all with the pencil attached, standby time is easily two
| weeks.
| mechanical_bear wrote:
| Same
| bradgessler wrote:
| I wonder how many kids have swallowed the pencil cap.
| loloquwowndueo wrote:
| Bad apple for not coating it in the nasty-tasting stuff used
| for Nintendo Switch game cards.
| MBCook wrote:
| Yeah, insane choice. Here's a visual from Twitter:
|
| https://twitter.com/_alexguyot/status/1582405085484953601
| tambourine_man wrote:
| To be fair, both are pretty bad solutions.
| coder543 wrote:
| Yes, that's... exactly the point being made. The solution
| that _every single_ iPad with USB-C used before today isn
| 't pictured in that tweet, and it is far better. Apple made
| a really annoying choice here.
| MBCook wrote:
| Right. The Apple Pencil 2 (used on more expensive iPads)
| connects to the side of the iPad magnetically and charges
| that way. It looks nice and works fine.
|
| The original way (stick straight out of the port) worked
| but was always weird. They had a chance to fix it and...
| compromised?
|
| The "fixed" the iPad by going USB-C, which is good. They
| don't have to redesign the first Pencil which is fine
| (it's cheaper than v2) but that left them with... this.
|
| Very un-Apple. More than the original.
| [deleted]
| heliophobicdude wrote:
| Supports Apple Pencil first gen but needs adapter to charge
| because it doesn't have lightning port
| exabrial wrote:
| > USB-C
|
| Nice! Please, the iPhone next. Ditch the legacy and outdated
| lightning jack.
| tomjen3 wrote:
| I hate this idea. I am not going to throw out my keyboard,
| earbuds, touchpad, iphone, etc just so that they will all have
| USB-C connections.
|
| Given that, it will take me at least 5 years to replace
| everything so I only need to use USB-C cables. 5 years where I
| will have to use two different sets of cables.
| exabrial wrote:
| Unfortunately you're in the minority. The rest of the world
| uses usb-c.
| eldaisfish wrote:
| This is incorrect. As recently as 2019, just under 70% of
| phones from samsung, huawei etc used USB C. Phones using
| micro usb are still on the market or still being used. The
| dominant connector on phones is still micro USB.
| AlchemistCamp wrote:
| This isn't anything new. My old iPad Air has a USB-C jack.
| bxparks wrote:
| I have 2 perfectly working iPads except that they stopped getting
| OS updates, so are now basically electronic trash. I find myself
| becoming reluctant to support an ecosystem that generates such
| waste. I stopped purchasing MacBooks when they started _gluing_
| the battery.
| givinguflac wrote:
| Very interested to know what your solution is for a longer-
| supported good tablet, as I'm unaware of one.
| gambiting wrote:
| There isn't one. iPads are the longest supported tablets out
| there. So I guess they are saying that they are so upset
| about this that they will stop using tablets altogether,
| which I suppose is a valid, if weird choice.
| smoldesu wrote:
| If you want to be pedantic, the Microsoft Surface will have
| Linux Kernel support long after the iPad has become a
| derelict memory in the minds of Generation Z.
| gambiting wrote:
| But that's not official support. That's like saying that
| my 10 year old Nexus 7 can still be flashed with latest
| versions of custom ROMs so it's the longest supported
| tablet out there.
| ta8903 wrote:
| It's a computational device, it's normal to be able to
| install whatever OS you want on it. Apple is the outlier
| here.
| gambiting wrote:
| I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just pointing out that
| when it comes to official support, Apple provides the
| longest out of all manufacturers.
| smoldesu wrote:
| Hey, works for me. I flash a lot of my devices with
| custom ROMs after EOL, and they work great.
| jamesgeck0 wrote:
| Mine can't. The first generation entry-level Nexus 7 used
| a cheap storage chip that wore out within two or three
| years; it's completely unusable.
| Wowfunhappy wrote:
| I was actually thinking that would probably apply to
| Windows support as well!
| coder543 wrote:
| not fully: https://support.microsoft.com/en-
| us/surface/which-surface-de...
| pjerem wrote:
| Well, standardizing or documenting the hardware ? Making the
| boot loader unlockable ?
|
| In other worlds, doing what PCs managed to do during more
| than three decades ?
|
| I don't care that Apple stops to support my iPad after X
| years. We can't blame them for stopping to support old enough
| hardware.
|
| But we can blame them for making this hardware locked in such
| a way that you cannot run what you want on a device you fully
| own and that they unilaterally decided isn't worth using
| anymore.
| scarface74 wrote:
| You're using a PC from 1992?
| layer8 wrote:
| Some people do.
| scarface74 wrote:
| I seriously doubt it.
| pxeboot wrote:
| The original Surface Pro is still getting updates.
| coder543 wrote:
| I think you forgot to put an asterisk there. Microsoft
| doesn't fully support such old devices anymore:
| https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/which-surface-
| de...
|
| It might still be getting _some_ updates, _for now_ , but
| it can't be updated to the latest version of Windows. I
| guess you could install Linux on it.
| brewdad wrote:
| Last I checked (admittedly about a year ago) there was
| very poor Linux support for Surface tablets. Basic things
| like the camera and wifi, on some devices, simply don't
| work in Linux.
|
| My Surface Go can't upgrade to Windows 11 but is still
| getting Windows 10 updates. By the tine those stop, it
| will pretty much be trash. As it stands today, using it
| is painfully slow and it's portability is really about
| the only thing going for it. 4GB of RAM and a grossly
| underclocked CPU will do that.
| bpye wrote:
| It's still glued but they are at least using stretch release
| adhesive now -
| https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+14-Inch+2021+Batter...
| wodenokoto wrote:
| I have a 2011 iPad that I still bring with me to the gym to
| watch tv episodes on on the treadmill.
| bonzini wrote:
| It doesn't get OS updates though, does it? Awesome tablet if
| it wasn't for that, battery like new on mine after 10 years.
| scarface74 wrote:
| You can still use it for Netflix and a few other video apps
| and you can download the "last compatible version"
| asdff wrote:
| Its very frustrating that I have a stack of iPhones that I
| can't do much with even if they are still perfectly good
| hardware. They are either updated to some version where I can't
| jailbreak it and turn it into the worlds best raspberry pi, or
| I've forgotten my old passcode and its basically bricked as a
| result. If only I could run them as a small arm cluster or
| something useful like that.
| scarface74 wrote:
| Which iPhones would that be? The 5s is still getting security
| updates and carriers are cutting off 3G compatibility which
| means nothing older than the 5 will work today anyway.
| asdff wrote:
| I don't need 3g for my would be iphone cluster, wifi is
| sufficient. These would be a 5, a 5s, and the first SE, all
| in a nice stack because they share the same chassis. I
| would basically use this cluster of hardware how people
| currently use home servers, not as a phone anymore. It
| should be plenty of power to run plex, backup other
| devices, self host a website, among other things, since
| these are overpowered arm devices after all. I'm not sure
| how many cores it would be with this stack off the top of
| my head, but it would be a nice amount to play with for
| sure.
| layer8 wrote:
| > I've forgotten my old passcode and its basically bricked as
| a result.
|
| You can use recovery mode to reset them:
| https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212787
|
| Or if that doesn't work, you can factory-reset them using DFU
| Restore (google for it). If you don't have a Mac but a PC,
| you can use iMazing.
| hdjjhhvvhga wrote:
| For that reason for every ios/ipados device I buy, I
| automatically download all purchased apps and then delete the
| ones I don't use. Apple keeps the older version most of the
| time without charging me for storage. I think this is what I
| pay for when I give them 30% for every app I buy.
| r0fl wrote:
| I have a bunch of iPads in the house including the 4th
| generation one from 2012 that is still get used randomly to
| watch content. It' 10 years old and still works without any
| issues. It's the oldest piece of tech that I have in the house.
|
| You can always recycle them with Apple if you are worried about
| the waste footprint.
| hbn wrote:
| I have an iPad mini 2 (released 2013) that I still use every
| night for watching YouTube videos in bed. It also got a
| security update like a week or 2 ago.
|
| It doesn't perform great, but it gets the job done for
| watching videos.
| efdee wrote:
| Strange. I have that exact iPad and it's pretty much useless
| now. All apps my kids want to run on it want an upgrade to a
| version of iOS that is not available for that model.
| scarface74 wrote:
| It still works with most streaming apps that were available
| then and it can still be used for the web.
| bilsbie wrote:
| This happened with my six year old MacBook. I'm so mad.
|
| It works great and still has plenty of power but I can't seem
| to upgrade the OS. And one by one the apps I use stop
| supporting my OS.
|
| Really feels like such a waste and makes me wonder if I really
| own it at all.
| crazygringo wrote:
| Which MacBook?
|
| According to Wikipedia, macOS Monterey has support for
| everything that dates back to 2016. The only exception I see
| would be if you bought the 2015 model of MacBook in 2016?
|
| In any case, it still runs Big Sur. What apps don't run on
| Big Sur...?
|
| If you're just running into an installation bug for Big Sur,
| you can always just install it clean rather than upgrading.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Monterey#Supported_ha
| rdw...
| kolinko wrote:
| What did you switch into? Apple has a record time of support
| for their devices.
|
| As for the battery glued in - again, what did you switch into,
| and how did it go? Aside from a few mishaps, Apple has the most
| long lasting laptops on the market.
| nequo wrote:
| > Apple has the most long lasting laptops on the market.
|
| I am not sure about this. I have a ThinkPad from ten years
| ago that still runs up-to-date Linux.
| bxparks wrote:
| I agree that the iPads are the best of the breed out there,
| and Apple does support their hardware longer than most. But
| once the support stops, the hardware is locked and there's no
| alternative.
|
| So to answer some of the other questions that my post
| generated, I basically stopped using tablets. The kitchen
| tablet was replaced with a cheap Chromebook. My travel tablet
| was replaced with a MacBook Air 11 2015 that I got on eBay,
| and installed Linux Mint on it. I believe the 2015 MacBook
| Air model is one of the last MacBooks with a replaceable
| battery, and it is still one of the best 11" laptops ever
| made.
|
| My other laptops are a bunch of Dell Latitude 7000 series and
| Dell Precision series laptops, running Ubuntu MATE or Linux
| Mint. All of those have replaceable battery, upgradable RAM
| slots, and replaceable SSD or NVMe slots. I cannot bring
| myself to buy a laptop with a glued-in battery.
| jamesgeck0 wrote:
| > The kitchen tablet was replaced with a cheap Chromebook.
|
| Chromebooks get eight years of security updates from
| Google, similar to iPads. Is the attraction that you can
| install a Linux distro on it after support ends?
| kolinko wrote:
| I just checked, and since a year ago Apple uses pull tabs
| instead of glue - so the batteries are relatively easily
| replaceable.
|
| https://www.macrumors.com/2021/10/27/macbook-pro-battery-
| pul...
|
| As a side note though - how often do you replace batteries
| in notebooks? I think the only one time I ever did it was
| in 2008. I think most of my Macbooks survived over seven
| years each, and were passed on to my family - the batteries
| were never an issue - neither for me not for others who got
| my laptops.
| bxparks wrote:
| Thanks for the info, that's good to know. I'll definitely
| consider going back to the MacBooks when Linux on the
| Apple Silicon chips becomes a reasonable option after
| Apple drops support for these new laptops.
|
| I get almost all my laptops from eBay, so I often replace
| the batteries soon after purchase, then maybe every 3-5
| years (?) after that. I replaced the battery on my 2014
| MBA in 2020. I get the impression that I use my laptops
| longer than average. My Windows 10 laptop is a 2011 model
| with an Intel i7-2620M processor whose batteries have
| been replaced twice.
| mrtksn wrote:
| What do you mean the hardware is locked once Apple cuts
| support? Did the iPad stop working? Are you referring to
| Apple services no longer working?
| scarface74 wrote:
| The last time I checked a couple of years ago. All Apple
| services still worked on an old first gen iPad from 2010.
| georgeecollins wrote:
| My Windows laptops still get OS and software upgrades even
| when they are ten years old. Why does a laptop or a tablet
| have to be obsolete?
| scarface74 wrote:
| How is "trash"? Apple is still providing security updates for
| devices back to 2013 and even without iOS updates, you can
| still use third party apps that either support your OS or you
| can download the "last compatible version" as of a couple of
| years ago, I was able to redownload Netflix and a few other
| apps on my original 2010 iPad.
| graeme wrote:
| Which ipads are you referring to? I have an ipad air 2 from
| 2014. It just got 15.7, most recent update. That is eight years
| of top line support.
|
| It won't get ios 16, but apple has started supporting older
| devices with security updates. Ios 12.5.6 supports devices from
| 2013 that can't use ios 15.
|
| https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201222
|
| Apple makes some of the longest supported hardware in the
| business, and they've been lengthening their support. Their
| incentive is to get more services revenue so they want the
| largest userbase possible. I expect new devices will have at
| least ten years support.
| greggman3 wrote:
| 8yrs is better than 4yrs but worse than 12, 20, 30yrs.
|
| I get that in some ways tech is different (my rice cookers
| still going, 60yrs) but in other ways it's not. My 2014 MBP
| really has zero reason to become obsolete (they stopped
| supporting it a year ago). It still functions just fine. It's
| still plenty fast. There are no features of the 2021 MBP
| missing from them 2014 MBP except at most USB-C ports.
| r00fus wrote:
| If you want your MBP from 2014 to run the latest OS
| release, check out: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-
| Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.ht...
|
| Honestly hoping for 12/20/30+ years of patches sounds super
| nice but unreasonable.
|
| My MacPlus from 1986 works fine, but I don't expect Apple
| to provide MacOS7 patches.
| asdff wrote:
| Why not? Automakers recall cars and 'patch' them years
| later.
| MockObject wrote:
| Their OS7 team would be larger than the number of OS7
| users. It would be cheaper for Apple to send free Macs to
| all the users than support the code anymore.
| brewdad wrote:
| What automaker is recalling and patching a 36 year old
| vehicle? Heck, show me one that is patching a 10 year old
| vehicle.
| scarface74 wrote:
| So you expect Apple to support the 2010 era iPad 1st
| generation that had 256MB RAM and 400Mhz A4 in 2022?
|
| Or do you expect Apple to support a 20 year old Mac?
|
| Or do you expect Apple to support a 1992 era Mac LCII with
| a 68030-16Mhz processor that came with at most a 10MB RAM
| and a 80MB hard drive?
| memco wrote:
| The touch ID power button seems interesting: has that been in
| other iOS devices or is that new?
| ChildOfChaos wrote:
| I have an old iPad pro (2017)
|
| I like the fact that the base models are getting better, so in
| future I'll likely just replace with the lower end iPad and still
| get an upgrade, although the price seems to be slowly creeping
| up.
| e44858 wrote:
| Funny thing is that the new iPad might actually be a downgrade
| for you, because it has a cheaper screen with a lower refresh
| rate (60hz instead of 120hz).
| franze wrote:
| I love my iPad. The best TV I ever owned.
| gurumeditations wrote:
| A $120 price increase for the base model? Unbelievable. Couldn't
| keep the 5 year old $330 price forever but that's ridiculous at
| the volumes Apple moves. All while we're going into recession and
| consumer tech spend goes down...
| WastingMyTime89 wrote:
| The price in euros are even more ridiculous: 200EUR more the
| base one and 100EUR more for the air because why not.
| creeble wrote:
| I'd have to agree. Just bought a used 7th-gen iPad for that
| price difference.
| twiceaday wrote:
| The Gen 1 pencil has a tiny battery and is a chore to charge.
| Mine is usually dead and I just write on paper. Not being able to
| charge it wirelessly from the iPad was a huge UX mistake that
| they quickly fixed with Gen 2. Can't believe they are still
| holding on to Gen 1.
| atommclain wrote:
| It looks like the finally moved the camera to be on "top" when
| the device is in landscape orientation.
| gnicholas wrote:
| Most surprising for me was the landscape-friendly selfie camera.
| That will be very helpful for video calls. Also, they added USB-C
| but I don't think it was mentioned explicitly in the intro video
| (just noted in the final slide).
| wslh wrote:
| Please merge with: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33248210
| wccrawford wrote:
| That one doesn't seem to talk about the colors? Also, it's
| about the Pro and this isn't.
| st3ve445678 wrote:
| That is about the pro, this is just regular iPad.
| gnicholas wrote:
| That would actually be a bit confusing since the iPad and iPad
| Pro have different features, and comments in dedicated threads
| don't distinguish which one is being described. Would have been
| nice to have an omnibus thread from the beginning, but the way
| Apple does their press releases resulted in two threads.
| Maursault wrote:
| iPad Pro and iPad are distinct models, so these two different
| discussions are not redundant.
| bsharitt wrote:
| This certainly tightens up the iPad -> iPad Air -> iPad Pro line,
| The Air -> Pro gap was already small(it widens a bit today with
| the M2 Pro, but not by much), but the iPad -> Air decision was
| between dated budget tablet or more full featured modern tablet,
| but now it's a little less clear.
| cpsns wrote:
| A marginally updated iPad for the masses to buy, good I guess?
| Hard to get excited, but I'm sure some will appreciate USBC.
| nofunsir wrote:
| I think the biggest part of this announcement is the fact that
| for the first time an apple Magic Keyboard for iPad now comes
| with an ESC key.
|
| Could indicate future plans to support coding/sysadmin on an iPad
| duxup wrote:
| Many uses use an iPad as their version of a laptop.
|
| Apple's own promotional materials show folks doing that.
|
| I think this is all but certain.
| srvmshr wrote:
| FWIW, you can pair a regular Magic keyboard & Bluetooth mouse
| to most iPads. The folio keyboard didn't have ESC (never owned
| that, can't comment), but it didn't mean it wasn't physically
| doable
| pomatic wrote:
| I have ESC mapped to the folio keyboard 'world' key in the
| bottom left corner. It's a complete non-issue, pinky down
| instead of pinky up.
| Phrodo_00 wrote:
| Yeah, I map caps lock to Esc in all my keyboards so I just
| did the same in the folio.
| williamcotton wrote:
| As someone who hops between Ubuntu and macOS I can say
| without a doubt that these subtle differences in key
| locations are at least a minor issue!
| nofunsir wrote:
| Add that to the brain plasticity test list:
|
| Lenovo laptops FN, CTRL
|
| Dell laptops CTRL, FN
|
| Select business Lenovo laptops: CTRL, FN
|
| Logitech dual OS keyboards
|
| Using the mac keyboard via Universal Control ...
| nofunsir wrote:
| >go find your bluetooth keyboard, make sure it's charged, and
| think about putting it in my bag
|
| At which point I usually just grab my PC instead
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| tiffanyh wrote:
| I wonder if Apple is trying to go after the educational market
| to have iPad purchased instead of Chromebook's.
| cududa wrote:
| That's been a huge market for them forever. They routinely
| mention education, do education events, and have large
| educational discounts. Prior to today's announcement, 9th gen
| iPad in a 10 pack is $294 ($329 retail), with larger volume
| discounts available. I suspect this list will be updated and
| the price will go down further.
|
| Having briefly worked in a school district's IT department,
| cheap plastic laptops in kids hands break frequently.
| Accorind to this price sheet it's $429 for for 4 years of
| AppleCare+ (no service fee, covers accidental damage) and
| comes with a ruggidized logitech case + keyboard.
|
| One buddy that runs an extremely large school district IT
| department (can't remember if it's shy of 200,000 students +
| staff, or over 200k) had to hire an entire fulltime staff to
| do repairs and keep tons of replacement parts on hand (bits
| of plastic on the palm wrest, hinges, trackpads, keyboards,
| screens, charging ports they replace/ solder in house,
| chargers, etc). He did the math and with the 4 years of no-
| cost replacements the purchase will have paid for itself by
| year 2 and in year 3 and 4 have millions in budget surplus.
| Parents/ tax payers revolted and couldn't see why kids need
| iPads.
|
| To your main point though, from the earliest days of the Mac
| (1984), Apple actually used to subsidize/ take a loss on Macs
| for k-12 with the theory that if you get kids on Macs young,
| they become lifelong customers.
|
| https://www.apple.com/education/pricelists/pdfs/Apple_US_Edu.
| ..
| briffle wrote:
| My kids school pays a bit under $200 each for their
| chromebooks...
| tiffanyh wrote:
| Great point.
|
| Chromebook's cost less than some of the keyboards Apple
| sells for their iPad.
|
| https://www.apple.com/shop/select-ipad-keyboards
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