[HN Gopher] JWST reveals new surprises on galaxy organic molecul...
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JWST reveals new surprises on galaxy organic molecules near black
holes
Author : wglb
Score : 74 points
Date : 2022-10-17 14:41 UTC (1 days ago)
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| jcims wrote:
| I think my interest in the advances in science that JWST is
| bringing is largely eclipsed by the joy that the folks who lived
| for years with a gnawing concern that it may never see first
| light are able to sit back and enjoy the fruits of their effort.
| photochemsyn wrote:
| Full paper:
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| https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2022/10/aa44806-...
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| Original press release:
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| https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-10-11-james-webb-space-telesc...
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| JWST is just making all their data immediately available to all
| researchers who want to dig into it, which is an approach all
| other areas of science (particular government-financed medical-
| pharmaceutical research!) should adopt:
|
| > "The authors acknowledge the MIRI comissioning, ERO and ERS
| teams for developing their observing program with a zero-
| exclusive-access period. The authors are extremely grateful to
| the JWST helpdesk for their constant and enthusiastic support."
| privong wrote:
| > JWST is just making all their data immediately available to
| all researchers who want to dig into it
|
| This is not generally true; it only applies to a narrow,
| specific class of programs. The "Early Release Observation"
| (observations chosen by the Space Telescope Science Institute)
| and "Early Release Science" observations (director's
| discretionary time awarded via a competitive proposal process a
| few years ago) do not have a proprietary period. However, the
| majority of the "General Observer" programs (these make up the
| majority of the time allocated on the telescope) have
| proprietary periods of up to 1 year. The proposers can request
| from a range of proprietary periods when they apply[0].
| "Guaranteed Time Observations" (time awarded to the instrument
| teams) also have a proprietary period.
|
| [0] https://jwst-docs.stsci.edu/jppom/jwst-proposal-level-
| inform...
| swayvil wrote:
| Have you read Greg Egan's "Permutation City"? Of course you have.
|
| Second part. When they were manipulating the artificial universe
| from "outside".
|
| They worked from just beyond the edge of the universe (its "event
| horizon") and cajoled the rare molecule into hooking up with its
| neighbors just so. Thus crafting complex apparatus... and thus an
| invasion robot was produced.
| irrational wrote:
| I literally have no idea what this comment is talking about.
| Nzen wrote:
| swayvil implies that our universe matches the kind depicted
| in Greg Egan's novel, _Permutation City_. In the second half
| of the book, the protagonists simulate a universe. That
| universe develops intelligent life that begin to threaten the
| simulation. So, the protagonists create an in universe
| representation of themselves - the 'invasion robot' that
| swayvil mentions - at the edge of the universe. So, by
| treating the NGC 7469 black hole's event horizon as
| equivalent to that 'edge of the universe' of the story,
| swayvil suggests that we have caught sight of ~god assembling
| a metatron from base components, on its way to convince us of
| its existence.
| swayvil wrote:
| Nice summation:)
| mecsred wrote:
| Greg Egan's "Permutation City", ostensibly.
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