[HN Gopher] A Danish political party led by an AI
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A Danish political party led by an AI
Author : bubblehack3r
Score : 42 points
Date : 2022-10-16 18:26 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| RobotToaster wrote:
| I for one welcome our new robot overlords democratically elected
| politicians.
| cloudking wrote:
| Smart comment for when it's parsed later to determine your
| alignment :)
| kthejoker2 wrote:
| His username suggests he might be doing the determining :)
| hunglee2 wrote:
| logical conclusion will be to skip political representation and
| go directly to policy. Interesting experiment, look forward to
| seeing more, as we definitely need to upgrade our political O/S
| mtgx wrote:
| parminya wrote:
| If you skip representation, you don't know what you're
| optimising for. If you include representation, then you will
| not exclude groups you didn't know existed in the process (or
| even groups who are generated by AI's policy development
| process). Skipping representation would be an awful,
| authoritarian distopia.
| kbob wrote:
| Ah, to be in a stable democracy where political campaigns can be
| whimsical!
|
| Here in [insert country], it's a grim struggle against the forces
| of [disliked party] who want to destroy our way of life, and it's
| dangerous to risk losing a few voters to silliness.
| hypertele-Xii wrote:
| Well they have only 11 of the required 20_000 signatures to be
| an eligible voting target in elections, so this new party isn't
| even part of the political process yet.
| cpeterso wrote:
| This reminds of "liquid democracy": voters can delegate their
| votes (including fractional votes) to other people
| (representatives, friends, caregivers, etc), organizations, or,
| in this case, an AI. I'd say most voters already do this,
| referencing voter guides from their preferred political
| organizations or local newspapers.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_democracy
|
| Science fiction author Alastair Reynold touches on different
| types of democracies in a couple of his novels. One example is
| the demarchists, cyborgs with a direct democracy where everyone
| votes on even minor issues using brain implants.
|
| Another was a proportional democracy where voters who got the
| "right answers" in previous elections would have their future
| votes more heavily weighted, effectively becoming indirect
| representatives of other voters.
| alexvoda wrote:
| How is the last example different from an incumbents paradise?
| To me it looks like a road to autocracy.
|
| As for the demarchists, The Orville had an episode about this.
| There are many reasons it does not work in practice at a medium
| or large scale.
| Taniwha wrote:
| We all know how this ends: put your AI on to the internet and it
| becomes a nazi
| antegamisou wrote:
| Can't tell if this is tongue-in-cheek, but a few years back an
| AI bot by Microsoft ended up spewing racist replies after a
| while online!
|
| https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35902104
| Mockapapella wrote:
| This pops up every few years and I always leave frustrated by
| a lot of the discussion around it. Tay had a feature where it
| would repeat things that were tweeted at it/sent in a DM
| (can't remember which, but that feature was 100% present),
| 4chan users caught whiff of this, and if I remember correctly
| that is where a lot of the overt "holocaust-denying racist"
| comments came from.
|
| Another piece of information that I've never been able to
| find out about Tay is how was it constructed. Nearly all
| progress in AI since that point has occurred with a frozen
| model. Once a model is trained, that's it, no more learning,
| no more optimizing. Sure you can fine tune it, but that's not
| nearly the same as learning on the fly like Microsoft claimed
| Tay was able to do, and even so those concepts only became
| popular several years after Tay was around. If anyone knows
| more about how Tay worked under the hood, I'd be really
| interested in knowing because this has been an unsolvable
| mystery just lingering in the back of my mind for years now.
| roywiggins wrote:
| GPT-3 is susceptible to a variant of this. User input that
| masquerades as instructions will get it to parrot you.
|
| https://simonwillison.net/2022/Sep/12/prompt-injection/
| Taniwha wrote:
| exactly
| ohiovr wrote:
| The image of the beast will be AI.
| thedorkknight wrote:
| The "Beast" was Nero. Like that was actually his nickname. It
| adds up to 666 in gematria, which John of Patmos was using. The
| image of the beast was literally his image on Roman coins,
| which was the only legal currency, so they needed it to buy and
| sell. Also, branding of slaves was sometimes done on their
| hands.
|
| This is the imagery that John of Patmos was pulling from, not
| visions of microchips, barcodes, vaccines, or AI. He was under
| Roman oppression and all the imagery used in Revelation is
| directly relevant to it's writer's own context - no need to
| editorialize and fear monger
| more_corn wrote:
| I could have sworn you said "best". One of the images sci-fi
| authors hold of AI is an intelligence you can direct to be
| fair. "Design a housing policy so it's fair to the highest
| number of people"
|
| Humans might claim we want fairness but our policies inevitably
| favor the people who make the policy. AI as an ostensibly
| objective party might be able to be more fair.
|
| Of course we probably won't like it because when presented with
| objectively fair policies we'll wonder why we can't have
| policies that unfairly favor our group anymore. For example a
| fair housing policy will probably favor people who don't have a
| lot of power.
|
| Think for a moment about who that is and you'll prove my point.
| yrgulation wrote:
| Gotta fix all them bugs first.
| ginko wrote:
| What is the political process/oversight on updates and upgrades
| to the algorithm?
| Genbox wrote:
| What is the process/oversight on changes in human politicians?
| noduerme wrote:
| It won't end well if Leader Lars is stolen by the Pirate Party
| next door...
| teddyh wrote:
| Digital pirates don't steal, they _copy_.
| pstuart wrote:
| It would be interesting to pair this with the legal code being an
| annotated spec.
|
| Every regulation could have annotated associated/assumed costs
| and benefits, with links to measurement of outcomes.
| greenbit wrote:
| Wasn't this an episode of Black Mirror?
| anonporridge wrote:
| My read of that episode is more about the non human nature of
| public figures.
|
| Media personalities, politicians, high level executives, and
| leaders of any kind generally aren't real people. They're
| figureheads. They're simulations of human beings occupied by a
| real human playing the character. And when the human behind the
| scene starts deviating from the character they're supposed to
| play in service of the institution or the meme it leads, they
| get replaced and a new pilot takes over running the simulation.
|
| We individual humans aren't in charge. We are all just hosts
| for memes. https://wearehostsformemes.com/
| guerrilla wrote:
| > Media personalities, politicians, high level executives,
| and leaders of any kind generally aren't real people. They're
| figureheads. They're simulations of human beings occupied by
| a real human playing the character. And when the human behind
| the scene starts deviating from the character they're
| supposed to play in service of the institution or the meme it
| leads, they get replaced and a new pilot takes over running
| the simulation.
|
| There's a word for that: actors.
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