[HN Gopher] Ardour 7.0
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Ardour 7.0
Author : frankzander
Score : 158 points
Date : 2022-10-15 15:02 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| dang wrote:
| Related:
|
| _Ardour -Audacity Alternative to Record, Edit, and Mix on Linux,
| OS X and Windows_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27740936
| - July 2021 (55 comments)
|
| _Paul Davis, lead developer of Ardour on fixing big Linux audio
| issues_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23739517 - July
| 2020 (41 comments)
|
| _Ardour 5.9 released_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14347758 - May 2017 (46
| comments)
|
| _Ardour 5 released_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12281137 - Aug 2016 (64
| comments)
|
| _Ardour 4.0 released_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9403131 - April 2015 (1
| comment)
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Note that I only started reading HN in 2019, which is why you
| won't any info from me in earlier items.
| smoldesu wrote:
| Holy cow, a nice-looking clip based workflow!
|
| The other day I bought Bitwig because I was looking for this
| _exact thing_ on Linux. I don 't regret it one bit, but it's
| amazing to see the beginnings of an open source solution to this!
| Hats off to the contributors who pulled through and made this
| happen.
| conradfr wrote:
| Bitwig seems interesting but is so expansive (speaking as a
| Reaper user).
|
| Were you caught in the Bitwig drama around the release of their
| plug-ins last week? ;)
| squeaky-clean wrote:
| I don't know about recent drama but just want to add I won't
| ever buy Bitwig because if their servers have an error, it
| can lock you out of the app or crash running sessions. These
| have happened multiple times. Even if you activated Bitwig
| offline, it will still try to reach the licensing server
| every few minutes. If the licensing server throws a 500
| error, it refuses to open and closes any running sessions
| without saving.
|
| Most recent incident
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwig/comments/nvikhf/psa_dont_ope.
| ..
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwig/comments/nvhy81/bitwig_rever.
| ..
|
| https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=566368
| AndyPa32 wrote:
| The recent drama has been resolved. For a week or so there
| was some uncertainty whether all new Bitwig devices would
| be part of the Studio edition and therefore covered with
| the cost of the update plan. Bitwig (the company) put out a
| paid add-on with new devices and announced that there would
| be other paid add-ons in the future. That caused a lot of
| negative responses in the community. After a week the
| Bitwig company apologized, made the add-on part of the
| regular Studio distribution and ensured that in the future
| all new devices would be part of the Studio - effectively
| no additional paid add-ons.
|
| The thing with the licensing server has been fixed. I tried
| that by turning off my router. No session closing and no
| data loss whatsoever.
| gavinray wrote:
| If you're interested, there's a $20 plugin for REAPER that
| introduces a fantastic clip-launcher workflow, complete with
| MIDI controller integration/remote controls.
|
| https://www.helgoboss.org/projects/playtime/
| bambax wrote:
| Didn't know about that, thank you! (Their terminology is
| confusing though: a "VST" that only works in Reaper is a
| Reaper plugin, not a VST proper...?) But anyway, will try it!
| squeaky-clean wrote:
| Reaper has it's own specific plugin format and language,
| JSFX (no relation to javascript), so that's probably why
| they specify it uses the VST format. But also relies on
| Reaper specific APIs making it only work in Reaper.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Reaper has some VST(TM) extensions that only it supports.
| So if you create a VST(TM) plugin that uses one of them,
| it will not run (correctly) in other hosts.
| smallerfish wrote:
| Playtime doesn't support linux though, does it?
| smoldesu wrote:
| That looks awesome, I'd be interested in giving it a whirl
| once they add Linux support! Currently I'm sticking with
| Bitwig for the excellent DrivenByMoss Push1 integration, but
| eventually I'd like to give Reaper a try (since it has the
| same Push1 plugins).
| stefanos82 wrote:
| What is the original story behind Ardour's creation?
|
| What motivated you writing such complicated application?
|
| P.S.: I have the GUI layout and I don't care what people say
| about GTK!
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| I wanted a DAW to record my own fledging attempts at electronic
| music. I took a vow in the 80s to never use Windows, Apple
| systems seemed overpriced, and I had years of *nix experience,
| including a bit of Linux. In the late 90s there was a Linux app
| called "Multitrack" which seemed capable on the surface, but it
| turned out not to be. I called Digidesign to ask them if I
| could port ProTools to Linux for them (for free), and they
| laughed. So I thought "how hard could it be to just write my
| own?" ... 22+ years later, here I am.
|
| A longer version is here:
| https://discourse.ardour.org/t/ardour-20th-birthday/102333
| protomikron wrote:
| That's a cool story.
|
| Ardour is awesome and shows that specialized niche software
| can compete or even out-compete commercial proprietary
| software (like QGIS in the GIS space).
|
| I hope it will be around for a long time and it's a nice
| piece of software, thx Paul.
| frankzander wrote:
| you might find this interesting
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZndTAbjPqm0 - I think Paul
| talks a bit about the background of Ardour and it's history
| gavinray wrote:
| This is incredible, massive bunch of features!
|
| Congrats on shipping
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| I'm Ardour's original developer and I'm happy to answer any
| questions anyone may have about the release.
| keepquestioning wrote:
| Have you made any money from it?
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Ardour revenue is about US$180k/yr at present. I make a
| reasonable middle-class income from it, help support another
| full time developer, and put aside any surplus to help pay
| other people associated with the project (e.g. website,
| documentation).
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| Does it interact with pipewire any? Or prefers existing apis
| like jack?
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| No native Pipewire API support and none planned. On Linux,
| there are audio/MIDI backends for ALSA and JACK. Pipewire
| mostly supports the JACK API (and likely will do so
| completely in the near future).
|
| [EDIT: if you can work with playback only (e.g. during
| editing or mixing), we also have a PulseAudio backend on
| Linux that will (like JACK) also talk to PipeWire. ]
| slim wrote:
| Ardour was impressive since the first time I opened it. Thank
| you for making such high quality software for linux.
|
| what was your motivation to start this project?
|
| how do you use ardour yourself?
|
| do you have any music to share ?
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Ardour history (also posted downthread):
| https://discourse.ardour.org/t/ardour-20th-birthday/102333
|
| I don't use Ardour much myself. When I make music, I mostly
| use the amazing VCV Rack or its slightly-more-FLOSS fork,
| Cardinal
|
| As for music, not really but last December I did release
| this: https://pauldavismusic.bandcamp.com/album/suspended-
| generati...
| yupis wrote:
| Can I use to make a Dj mix?
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| You'd have to explain what "a DJ mix" means to you before I
| could answer that.
| nxpnsv wrote:
| That said, it certainly is possible to make _a_ DJ mix with
| Ardour...
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| It's all gone Pete Tong.
| stelcodes wrote:
| Hi Paul, just wanted to say thanks for working so hard on
| Ardour. I just started playing with Ardour in Fedora on my
| Framework laptop, but I've been thinking about buying a M1 mac
| to make music because I miss Logic and Ableton. These release
| notes have got me hyped because now I might not want to! I'm
| very excited to try out the clips and freesound features. I'll
| definitely be buying a license soon. You (and the rest of the
| brilliant Ardour contributors) seriously rock!
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Thank you. Just to be clear about one thing: nobody buys a
| license for Ardour, it is released under the GPL.
|
| You _can_ choose to pay us for the service of building it for
| you, or if you like, providing a ready-to-run version that we
| can actually support. That revenue allows myself and other
| Ardour contributors to work on Ardour as a way of making a
| living.
| makapuf wrote:
| Thanks also, I had the privilege to exchange with you on
| the linux-audio-dev mailing list a few times way back in
| the time of quasimodo and creation of LADSPA, I learned so
| much thanks to your dedication and knowledge about audio
| programming and how to create an useful api !
| beardyw wrote:
| I installed a copy of Ubuntu Studio on a spare machine a couple
| of years ago. I had come from Windows and Reaper and was used to
| one app where everything was controlled by the app. I was
| relatively new to Linux but kind of new my way around. But I
| found the principal of separate applications talking to each
| other a compelling idea, but in practice totally frustrating! I
| had VSTs I wanted to use and I got some to work though I don't
| remember how, but many synths just wanted to act alone via
| communication. Has anyone done anything to make all that less of
| a headache? Or was I doing it wrong?
|
| Not suggesting this is any fault of Ardour's.
| squarefoot wrote:
| I've used LinVST in the past to run Windows VSTs on Linux with
| mixed success, but it was more of a hit and miss; today I'm
| extremely happy with Yabridge which is a lot more polished,
| doesn't crap out at every WINE update and also is much quicker
| to operate.
|
| https://github.com/robbert-vdh/yabridge
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Plugins on Linux work just the same way they do on macOS and
| Windows.
|
| But yes, it is true that to some extent, there was a tradition
| from the late 90s to the 20-teens to create synths as
| standalone apps for Linux, connected via JACK.
|
| That is really going away now, and you can run U-he synths,
| Helm, Vitalium, Serge and many others as plugins just like you
| do on macOS and Windows.
| [deleted]
| NexRebular wrote:
| How's the latency situation nowadays on FreeBSD?
| armitron wrote:
| I've looked at Ardour in the past but GTK put me off from
| investing serious time into it. Now that there is REAPER, I have
| to ask, what does Ardour do better and why would one pick Ardour
| over REAPER?
| adamnemecek wrote:
| It's open source.
| frankzander wrote:
| What's your problem with GTK? I mean I like good UIs and this
| is what attracts me. So Ardour has a good looking UI (IMHO).
| How does the window toolkit impact you?
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Reaper is a fine DAW, and there are many fine DAWs. For the
| most part, which DAW is better for a given user depends a great
| deal on their prior experience, specific expectations and
| likely workflow. Neither Ardour nor REAPER are "better" than
| the other - they are different, and some people will love one
| and hate the other. More typically, some people will find a
| particular workflow that they use cumbersome in one of the DAWs
| and easier in another.
|
| If you'd like, you can listen to myself (lead dev of Ardour)
| spend 2.5hrs chatting with Justin Frankel (lead dev of Reaper).
| It won't do much to answer your specific question, but might
| reveal that the similarities in our development processes and
| history and goals are much broader than you might expect:
| http://adc.equalarea.com/2022/02/07/adc1/
|
| If you're a user of Ardour, why would our choice of GUI toolkit
| have much impact on your use of the program?
| armitron wrote:
| I appreciate the time you took in crafting this response, I
| will listen to the conversation that you linked.
|
| Regarding GTK, I could never stomach the specific "feel" that
| it has, and it's also been incredibly buggy for me on
| platforms other than Linux, and I use macOS and Windows a lot
| too. I haven't found a single GTK app that I can tolerate
| using on Windows or macOS so far. I find QT a lot better in
| that regard.
|
| I was a heavy user of Inkscape (GTK) back when there were no
| free alternatives, but when Krita (QT) matured I switched to
| it and never looked back.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Not much of Ardour uses GTK (the editor and mixer all use
| our own stuff). You will find GTK in text entry, treeviews,
| menus and the filebrowser. In the long term we'd like to
| drop back to just GDK (window and event primitives), but
| those 4 "widgets" are major things to implement correctly,
| and that's not likely to happen any time in foreseeable
| future.
| spacechild1 wrote:
| This interview is a gem, thanks a lot for sharing!
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