[HN Gopher] Equifax surveilled 1k remote workers, fired 24 found...
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Equifax surveilled 1k remote workers, fired 24 found juggling two
jobs
Author : Deinos
Score : 26 points
Date : 2022-10-14 19:20 UTC (3 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (arstechnica.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (arstechnica.com)
| metadat wrote:
| Discussed yesterday:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33198708
|
| (537 points, 356 comments)
| riffic wrote:
| absolutely nothing wrong with working more than one job if you
| can get away with it. It's not a lifestyle I want to live myself,
| but more power to anyone who wants or needs to in order to make
| their livings.
| skybrian wrote:
| I think if you do that, you need to keep track of your hours,
| though? Charging two employers for the same hours would be
| fraudulent.
| StopHammoTime wrote:
| When you are salaried, you are rewarded based on your
| deliverables. If you can deliver two jobs of output to
| satisfactory results, then who cares.
|
| Some employers may require the full 38 hours, but let's not
| forget the whole point of salary is for flexibility on behalf
| of the employee AND the employer. The employer may ask you to
| work a bit of overtime, but likewise it shouldn't be expected
| that the employer "buys" you as a salaried employee. You get
| benefits like leave and the employer gets benefits such as
| you turning up every day. They pay you, you deliver results,
| if you don't perform you get fired.
|
| This is a different argument for contractors who do get paid
| by the hour so that starts to descend into some very ethical
| grey areas. Those grey areas mostly exist though because a
| lot of employees treat contractors like salaried employees
| (I.e. expectations are the same but no benefits).
|
| I could never do it, but there isn't really anything REALLY
| wrong with it.
| skybrian wrote:
| In principle it could be okay if everyone agrees. There may
| or may not be something wrong with it, depending on what
| they agreed to and if they're lying to anyone about what
| they're doing.
| danw1979 wrote:
| I don't know what to think about the "overemployment" trend that
| the pandemic and remote working has ushered in.
|
| Most contractors seem to have no mutuality of obligation to their
| clients and I have friends running two and three gigs who claim
| their clients are happy.
|
| I've had contract engineers who were obviously engaging in the
| practice though, and it drove me up the wall.
|
| It just seems so dishonest and at the same time perfectly legal.
| jklm wrote:
| The 24 they mention in the article are full time it looks like
| - does that change your mindset either way?
| yieldcrv wrote:
| This is pretty much the first time that it is possible to have
| 2+ main jobs.
|
| It has always been common to have a main job and a side gig, a
| main job and moonlighting in hospitality or service industry.
|
| Just get your deliverables in, use separate company laptops.
| The incentives for overachieving are non-existent, oh wow a 5%
| bonus/raise dangled in front of you for _even more
| responsibility_ versus _an entire parallel salary and
| compensation package_ at the expected contribution level.
| whateveracct wrote:
| If you want exclusive professional [1] access to an engineer's
| talents, pay them guaranteed salary + benefits in exchange for
| them signing a contract that precludes other employment.
|
| [1] Many engineers will have side projects that they spend time
| on anyways. They may even care about & prioritize them more
| than your projects, no matter how much you pay them!
| MarcelOlsz wrote:
| How many CEO's and "advisors" and board members do you know
| "juggling" multiple jobs? I think it's "all of them".
| rangerelf wrote:
| Why? Why do you say "it drove you up the wall"?
|
| A contractor owes you exactly what's on the contract, usually a
| certain amount of work delivered; what she/he did outside of
| that is (or should be) of absolutely zero interest to you,
| unless it's some kind of corporate spying or other illegal or
| unethical behavior.
|
| A full-time employee is usually working based on a certain
| number of hours, so they owe the company exactly those hours,
| no more no less; if during those hours they perform
| satisfactorily, again, anything they do outside those hours
| should hold zero interest to you.
|
| Your coworkers are right: if they can successfully deliver
| results while juggling multiple jobs, why does that drive you
| up the wall?
| jokethrowaway wrote:
| That's what contractors have been doing since forever.
|
| The output requested at a job can often be "not that much".
|
| Where you lose me is on employment contracts making this
| illegal, that's quite a risky proposition.
|
| Why not just get jobs as a contractor and be upfront?
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