[HN Gopher] Hacker And The Fed
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Hacker And The Fed
Author : ArtRichards
Score : 103 points
Date : 2022-10-13 20:15 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| ElijahLynn wrote:
| Would be nice to see this on Spotify and Google Podcasts too. I
| searched and it looks like Apple Podcasts only for right now.
|
| tldr from this 2 minute intro is that they caught Sabu and said
| you can have 120+ years in prison or join them...
|
| https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/introducing-hacker-and...
| pickmeimcool wrote:
| https://open.spotify.com/show/4uze2AoxrCv0dRjvElUpTy?si=4lGB...
| thrill wrote:
| Google Podcast usually takes a week or so to find the feed.
| motohagiography wrote:
| It's a podcast by a rat and a fed. They have nothing to do with
| hackers.
| rosnd wrote:
| That link really threw me off, I spent a minute or two clicking
| on it on autopilot baffled as to why OS X has decided that I
| really should be using the podcasts app instead of safari.
| [deleted]
| swyx wrote:
| seriously, Apple's weird obsession with hijacking the open web
| to push their own software is the most anti-user-friendly thing
| it does
|
| dear Apple: you have 27% market share of podcast apps. please
| recognize that the rest of us like using other apps and stop
| pushing your defaults so hard.
| blondin wrote:
| oh my god! is it awful on desktop too? the podcasts app is the
| most infuriating monstrosity apple has been forcing on us for
| years now.
| mandmandam wrote:
| I see you're not an Apple Music user :/
| girvo wrote:
| See I can tolerate, sometimes even _like_ Apple Music.
|
| Podcasts though? Irredeemable.
| Luc wrote:
| And on iOS I can't visit the link because it insists on using
| the Podcasts app, which I have uninstalled. Lame.
| lake_vincent wrote:
| Reads like a headline from r/nottheonion
| [deleted]
| rosnd wrote:
| How come? Informants like Sabu have to work very closely with
| their handlers, these guys probably spent countless hours
| sitting next to each other, working together as some kind of a
| team.
|
| It's not like this is an unique story either, Maksym Popov
| comes to mind.
| matai_kolila wrote:
| Yeah, but "podcast" kind of throws it a bit...
| rosnd wrote:
| Which is also a pretty standard career move for federal
| LEOs.
| matai_kolila wrote:
| IMO that's hilarious, the visual of these gruff, no
| nonsense guys who probably spent days saying nothing and
| now they won't shut up lol...
| MonkeyMalarky wrote:
| A modernized "Former Navy Seal writes tell-all book"?
| rosnd wrote:
| Yep, all this being a necessary part of establishing an
| "expert" persona for future TV talking head gigs (and
| occasional consulting when you find a big enough idiot).
| lake_vincent wrote:
| Like the other commenter said, it's the podcast part that I
| find funny. A hacker and special agent, natural enemies,
| becoming BFF'S and making a podcast together sounds like the
| premise of a Netflix show, hence the Oniony nature of the
| headline
| rurban wrote:
| Isn't Sabu long dead already? I really thought he is, strange.
| But in 2022 he looks alive and well:
| https://newsday.co.tt/2022/10/06/hacker-to-deliver-keynote-a...
| prvit wrote:
| qvrjuec wrote:
| A modern day Frank Abagnale. Pretty interesting, excited to find
| time to listen
| tunap wrote:
| The answer to "Why the downvotes?":
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Abagnale#Veracity_of_cla...
| O__________O wrote:
| Related statement by Frank Abagnale:
|
| https://www.abagnale.com/Frank-W-Abagnale-Jr-Film-And-Book-C...
|
| https://whyy.org/segments/the-greatest-hoax-on-earth/
|
| _____________
|
| Created a post for topic, since I don't think most people are
| aware:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33196568
| [deleted]
| triyambakam wrote:
| This is a good example of how government and hacker aren't always
| only good and only bad. It reminds me of the Silk Road agent
| Shaun Bridges.
| _jal wrote:
| I realize that is a stereotypical belief state, but do many
| people here really hold those beliefs?
|
| Having known several folks in both of those camps, my
| experience is that career choice provides very little
| information about the chooser's ethics.
|
| I will note that both categories have complex relationships
| with following the law, both personally and professionally.
| lawrenceyan wrote:
| Lawful evil and chaotic good?
| Waterluvian wrote:
| Globalization made our villages far too large and complex to
| handle mentally. Many of us seek very simple abstractions
| such as someone or something being good or evil despite any
| nuance. I feel this is especially visible in politics.
| 1B05H1N wrote:
| The guy who ratted on his whole crew?
| danuker wrote:
| Would you rat on your colleagues or accept 120 years in jail?
| prvit wrote:
| Sabu did much more than just rat on his colleagues.
|
| If he had just ratted on his colleagues and was apologetic
| about it, he wouldn't get a fraction of the hate he does.
| danuker wrote:
| I rephrase then: would you do something other than what the
| feds ask you (malice-free compliance), when you have your
| freedom on the line?
| prvit wrote:
| Sabu never expressed any regret for his actions, to the
| contrary.
|
| You don't have to be a bad guy to accidentally hit
| someone with your car while driving. But if you don't
| feel bad about it afterwards, you're probably a bad guy.
| If you go out of your way to point and laugh at the
| person you hit ...
| danuker wrote:
| The way I see it: there is no way an individual can win
| over an empire.
|
| If one is engaging in activities to the detriment of said
| empire, they must consider the risk of being snuffed at
| any time, let alone betrayed.
|
| See McAfee, Assange, and Snowden. Only Snowden had the
| OpSec not to get caught - by escaping the influence of
| the US.
| prvit wrote:
| >See McAfee, Assange, and Snowden. Only Snowden had the
| OpSec not to get caught - by escaping the influence of
| the US.
|
| This is ridiculous. You're deliberately limiting your
| list to only fugitives that also choose to be celebrities
| at the same time.
| danuker wrote:
| And why would more obscure "bad guys" cover for each
| other?
|
| How does the game theory change?
|
| It does not. I perceive the penalties for losing a
| prisoner's dilemma are much larger than the potential
| payoff.
| prvit wrote:
| Celebrities play a different game. The adversary isn't
| the entire empire, but merely the resources the empire is
| willing to expend to get you.
|
| Assange and McAfee worked hard to feed their adversaries.
| ROTMetro wrote:
| No
| slim wrote:
| I would accept 120 years in jail
| naikrovek wrote:
| I think when faced with that reality that you might not be
| so sure.
| mxmilkiib wrote:
| ytcracker - #antisec 22 Jun 2011
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YoDt-MxhHg
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| 871,836 views - 4.48K subscribers - nerdysouth
|
| _UPDATE 2012.03.09_ i may indeed be the first rapper in history
| to endorse a suspected internet snitch. evidence is somewhat
| overwhelming for it to be simply a disinformation campaign, but,
| personally, i believe the truth is somewhere in the middle. i
| will discuss some of my thoughts on www.ytcracker.com.
|
| i sadly will probably retire this song in its current form from
| my live performances just because i can't in good conscience rap
| about this until the grieving period has passed and this song
| becomes vintage and cute again.
|
| kind of like jokes about the spanish inquisition being funny now
| but they weren't very funny in the years circa 1478-1834 (yes, i
| did wikipedia this).
|
| we now return to your regularly scheduled video information.
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| 1999 bitch. (click "show more" if you like reading lyrics and
| want mp3 and stuff) swed.
|
| twitters: @lulzsec @realytcracker @beats
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| www.ytcracker.com www.digitalgangster.com
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| download link: http://ytcracker.com/antisec/ytcracke...
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| -
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| lyrics:
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| -
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| im the defacto leader of a movement
|
| screaming "hack the planet" back in 99
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| hacktivism in its prime globalHell had the .mil rooted
|
| alphabet soup and their troops in the suits kid
|
| kicking down doors and seizing my equipment
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| blocking all my shipments sitting on their hitlist
|
| 0day radical emphatic beat addict
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| and that stab hit i envelope the game call me rabbit
|
| -
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| hop to hop i run the internet equivocally
|
| bitch i be hit em with the bytestyle symmetry
|
| digi g digital gangster repping till im dead
|
| steady grep apache logs when im looking for the feds
|
| fast forward now the internet anonymous
|
| and captains of the lulzboat raise the mast prominent
|
| dominant hacks - antisec on that new new
|
| dropping tables in mysql like it was some poo poo
|
| -
|
| pound antisec - pounding through your speakers
|
| pound antisec - pound it to the bleachers
|
| pound antisec - if youre sitting below deck
|
| in the lulzboat salute bitch and show some respect
|
| -
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| lulzsec bitch they fold ya hacked sony
|
| got that md5 we rocked ya macaroni
|
| cook coke crack then boil like a noodle
|
| while hbgary stay toast like a streudel
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| rootshell on ya bootstrap - now whos that?
|
| botnet mjoin and drop your whole c class
|
| see class? it is evident we flossing
|
| ion cannon in the proc list ddossing
|
| -
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| lean back bitch we be sending an injection
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| magic quotes off JOIN TABLE intersection
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| put it up on pastebin it wont get erased then
|
| 20 million hits to your dome like some cavemen
|
| ask cnn - you want a interview?
|
| send a PRIVMSG to the nickname sabu
|
| on irc - man we convening
|
| this some 99 throwback shit that im screaming
| rosnd wrote:
| Why post this? The lyrics are bad, the rapping itself isn't
| good, and to finish it off the rapper himself is a big time
| poser with a day job at a bigco.
| mxmilkiib wrote:
| Eh it's kitch at worse, it's a bit of history, maybe you had
| to be there, what's wrong with an artist being a poser, and
| are you trying to shame someone for having a "lowly" job?
| [deleted]
| prvit wrote:
| If you were a Goldman Sachs employee rapping about dealing
| drugs, you'd be ridiculed and quite possibly end up shot.
|
| Every year multiple rappers lose their lives over this
| stuff. Not a good thing, but indisputably a part of the
| culture.
|
| _Obviously_ nobody should shoot ytracker, but in the
| cultural context it 's totally reasonable to make fun of
| him for being a corporate stooge.
| jollyllama wrote:
| I guess you can profit off of your crimes if you inform on your
| co-conspirators.
| [deleted]
| wavefunction wrote:
| Yeah, Sabu is a real creep. I hope this podcast fails.
| prvit wrote:
| Indeed. And it's worth it to note that Sabu isn't a creep
| merely because he snitched to save his own ass.
|
| Sabu worked hard to entrap more and more people, largely
| underage children, and had a lot of fun doing so.
|
| This isn't a guy who simply made a deal to save his own ass
| and felt bad about it. Sabu never apologized, but rather
| proceeded to attack the people he'd entrapped.
| tunap wrote:
| Power corrupts.
| zmgsabst wrote:
| Or just entrap some lonely kids.
| prvit wrote:
| Why is this getting downvoted? That's exactly what Sabu was
| doing.
|
| He and this FBI guy would approach random kids on IRC in
| order to entice them to join "his" prestigious hacker group.
| They weren't going after existing criminals, but going out of
| their way to create new ones. Largely underage children.
| jollyllama wrote:
| I wonder if they're still in the justice system
| (prison/probation/etc.)
| prvit wrote:
| No, Sabu got only 1 year of probation.
| omega3 wrote:
| In the 2min intro the fed claims he took down Anonymous.
| Interesting.
| DerekBickerton wrote:
| I still see those videos on Youtube with a person in Guy Fawkes
| mask announcing their plans to take down (DDoS) such and such a
| service. They're still around, and they're not as cool anymore
| though. Anyone can make such a video and then slap 'We are
| legion, we do not forget' etc
| prvit wrote:
| Anonymous was never a real thing, there was never any kind of
| an organisation. It's just a meme.
| [deleted]
| prvit wrote:
| The whole point of the podcast is to tell made up stories in
| order to boost the child-entrapper Chris Tarbells public
| speaking career
| https://www.leadingauthorities.com/uk/speakers/chris-tarbell
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