[HN Gopher] Going where BeOS NetPositive hasn't gone before: Net...
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Going where BeOS NetPositive hasn't gone before: NetPositive+
Author : todsacerdoti
Score : 149 points
Date : 2022-10-09 05:53 UTC (17 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (oldvcr.blogspot.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (oldvcr.blogspot.com)
| rwmj wrote:
| I wonder if anyone has asked Access (https://www.access-
| company.com/) about the BeOS source? I hardly think they care
| about it now.
| TwoFx wrote:
| Access has been somewhat reluctant to make BeOS-related
| material available in the past. For example, they did provide
| access to the BeOS API documentation (called the Be Book) to
| the Haiku project, but only under a restrictive no-derivatives
| license (see [1]). This has caused some pain the past, as extra
| care must be taken that Haiku's API documentation, the Haiku
| Book [2], is not a derivative work, so everything had to be
| rewritten from scratch, even documentation for parts of the API
| that are largely unchanged.
|
| [1] https://www.haiku-os.org/legacy-
| docs/bebook/LegalNotice.html
|
| [2] https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/index.html
| pram wrote:
| What a joke. Gotta protect the future of those massive
| profits from BeOS sales I guess.
| memsom wrote:
| The BeOS source is not clean. It had loads of third party
| closed source licensed stuff in the tree. It is also
| massive, it is a complete OS and most of the supporting
| apps source code. It would be non trivial to make it open
| and it would not compile cleanly as massive gobs of drivers
| and low level stuff (like font rendering engines) would be
| gone. And there are the unfortunate GPL violations. It
| would also need a lot of work to manage any opensourcing
| effort.
| chipotle_coyote wrote:
| > And there are the unfortunate GPL violations.
|
| While I would normally make my "[citation needed]" joke,
| I'm sincerely curious about this. I can't find any
| references to this with an admittedly quick and cursory
| search. What were the violations?
| [deleted]
| troad wrote:
| I love these sorts of posts. Is there a Hacker News just for cool
| retro-computing hacks and weird hobby OSes I could read?
| nickt wrote:
| https://www.vogons.org/ For the more mainstream retro machines
| and hardware.
|
| https://forum.vcfed.org/ For the rarer esoteric stuff (but
| still loads of old Macs, DOS machines, Amigas and 8-bit stuff)
|
| There loads of others, often machine specific, but these 2 are
| a good place to start.
| layer8 wrote:
| Sometimes I wonder whether tagging support for HN articles
| wouldn't be useful. Members could assign arbitrary publicly
| visible tags to articles, and upvote/downvote/flag those tags.
| Everyone could filter by tags and maybe see a vote count for
| each tag. Of course, that would be one more thing to moderate.
| [deleted]
| Ygg2 wrote:
| There is Lunduke journal substack but nothing like hacker news.
| [deleted]
| anthk wrote:
| Reddit's Retrobattlestations, and at Usenet:
|
| comp.infosystems.gopher
|
| comp.infosystems.gemini
|
| alt.folklore.computers
|
| comp.misc (sometimes)
|
| comp.os.cpm
|
| comp.os.misc (from time to time)
| epilys wrote:
| lobste.rs has computing only related content (no business -
| world news) and has a fair amount of retro computing posts
| [deleted]
| SSLy wrote:
| https://lobste.rs/t/historical
| memsom wrote:
| Being someone who actually has hardware that can run this, I look
| forward to giving it a spin. Great work!
| sposeray wrote:
| chrsw wrote:
| Not sure how I feel about websites blocking vistors based on
| their browser type. Is that just a necessary evil at this point
| because of all network abuse on the public internet?
| rwmj wrote:
| It seems like a very odd strategy since for real attackers it's
| absolutely trivial to pretend to be some random Internet
| Explorer. However I suppose it may be part of some kind of
| Bayesian / machine learning black box at Cloudflare.
| classichasclass wrote:
| I have great difficulty believing that there are armies of
| online miscreants spoofing NetPositive, but perhaps
| Cloudflare has data I don't.
| rnhmjoj wrote:
| Proxying TLS is becoming unusable, thanks again to cloudflare.
| You keep getting kicked out because they detect the Client
| Hello[1] does not match whatever they think it should be, based
| on the User Agent string. I'm not even sure what this is supposed
| to protect the website from.
|
| [1]: https://github.com/mitmproxy/mitmproxy/issues/4575
| simcop2387 wrote:
| It's probably part of about detection system which cf is
| usually trying to prevent for their customers. It'd be a
| relatively easy to detect metric to add to a score for that
| kind of thing. A bot using a browser use agent string but the
| wrong tls settings is probably very common.
| classichasclass wrote:
| (author) Interesting. That may have been what I ran into. carl
| itself was unaffected, just proxying through it.
| emj wrote:
| Cloudflare does not care about MITM enterprise proxy nor mass
| surveillance, so there should be wiggle room to get it to work.
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