[HN Gopher] Tor Project Board Member is CEO of Company Selling C...
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Tor Project Board Member is CEO of Company Selling Capability for
Attribution
Author : justcommenting
Score : 24 points
Date : 2022-10-05 21:22 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (blog.torproject.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (blog.torproject.org)
| ipaddr wrote:
| https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/y3p...
| metadat wrote:
| While I can appreciate the measured tone in TFA, at some point
| you've got to take a step back and ask what the hell is going on.
| This instance reeks of an _egregious conflict of interest and
| this response is negligent on behalf of the board_.
|
| The current TOR Board scenario is akin to having a known child-
| abusing relative babysit your own kid, catching them inexplicably
| sitting with the kid alone in a darkened room in a state of
| undress, then saying:
|
| "Well, this is strange.. but we can't prove you were planning
| anything malicious this time around. As you were, mate!"
|
| Sometimes a harsh response is warranted to preserve integrity of
| that which is important. This is one of those times.
|
| My confidence in TOR was already kind of low, now how can I trust
| and be assured the lack of firm response isn't due to integrity
| already being compromised and no longer the main priority?
|
| The public trust in TOR is EVERYTHING the project has*.
|
| * had
| Karrot_Kream wrote:
| Hard disagree. The measured tone in TFA is how adults debate
| issues. Invoking phrases like "child-abusing relative" and "kid
| alone in a darkened room in a state of undress" is the kind of
| hyperbole that sites like Twitter and HN love to employ that
| reduce the quality of conversations and how threads turn into
| shouting matches.
|
| Ask yourself how the hyperbole you engage in leads to "curious
| conversation", how you're "assuming good faith", and how you're
| "eschewing flamebait". Because TFA seems to invoke curious
| conversation and good faith and your hyperbolic analogies just
| seem like ideological-battle oriented flamebait.
|
| > Sometimes a harsh response is warranted to preserve integrity
| of that which is important. This is one of those times.
|
| I'm pretty sure this is explicitly against "Please don't use
| Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples
| curiosity."
|
| P.S. As a long time HN reader/user, these hyperbolic flamebait
| comments in the service of political ends are exactly the kinds
| of comments that I find degrade this site the most. When people
| complain about this site turning into Reddit, it's these kinds
| of comments I think about.
| imwillofficial wrote:
| OPs comment wasn't just off the cuff emotionally charged
| rhetoric though. They acknowledged that there are times for a
| measured response, and there are times that a measured
| response is inappropriate. That outrage and pitchfork
| wielding are appropriate responses. They made the case that
| this was one of those times.
|
| I agree.
| TheSpiceIsLife wrote:
| The comment would have been better without the strained
| analogy.
|
| One counter argument to the gp might be something like:
| this is exactly the kind of expertise The Tor Project
| should want to consult.
| Karrot_Kream wrote:
| Bring enough people together with varied enough opinions
| and each of them will feel their own personal deep concerns
| are worth wielding pitchforks for. Eventually every
| conflict will involve pitchforks and the temperature of any
| discussion will be high enough that all you have are flames
| whereupon conflicts will just be hidden from public view
| and taken care of under the table so as not to risk the
| public flames of wrath.
| Dinky_Karrot wrote:
| Why are you attacking the commenter's character and chose not
| to respond to a single concern they brought up? They've asked
| some good questions and AFAICT they're legitimately concerned
| and only acting in good faith.
|
| Your claim that they've violated HN guidelines is misplaced,
| at best.
|
| Who's side are you on? Are you defending the guy with
| conflicting interests who is on the board and simultaneously
| selling a tor removal kit?
| thrown_22 wrote:
| Tor was taken over by the CIA a while ago when they purged the
| old hacker board for "inappropriate behavior towards women":
| https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/11/jacob-app...
|
| You know, the same thing they did to Assange. I wonder how
| that's going.
| https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/28/assa-j28.html
|
| >Key witness against Assange admits to lying in exchange for US
| immunity
|
| Oh yeah.
|
| But hey, we might have destroyed one of the crown jewels of
| free software because the CIA played SJWs like a fiddle but at
| least we're good people:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4hh1YhDfbA
| ravenstine wrote:
| If you are using Tor, seriously ask yourself if it's a good idea
| to install software that was developed by DARPA and has never
| solved the exit node problem.
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