[HN Gopher] This Is Why We Need to Return to Physical Media
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This Is Why We Need to Return to Physical Media
Author : indigodaddy
Score : 33 points
Date : 2022-10-02 16:29 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| youssefabdelm wrote:
| Or just use torrents cause none of these companies can get their
| shit together...
| https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED297/610d0083656...
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| Use the library dvd rental system.
| ftyhbhyjnjk wrote:
| And then they complain people pirate movies... why the hell
| people wouldn't?
|
| Not to mention, one movie is available with Netflix, another with
| Disney, yet another with Prime and so on and so forth... how does
| all this even make any sense from a customer's point of view?
|
| We need physical media back. But, a little tweaked to modern way
| of consuming media.
|
| It would cost exorbitant amount of money for a single person to
| watch all of what that person watches these days. You can't
| expect him to buy physical media for all of these. Rentals help,
| but, as again, you don't own them.
|
| So, you can't afford to own all what you want, and renting is not
| owning at all. So, what's the solution?
|
| Maybe, movie studios should start with "cheap-to-rent-but-costly-
| to-own" model initially when a movie releases, and gradually as
| the time passes, the movie now becomes same price to own as was
| to rent initially...
|
| Streaming have sucked the life out of the entertainment business.
| It needs to do go away.
| indigodaddy wrote:
| " Maybe, movie studios should start with "cheap-to-rent-but-
| costly-to-own" model initially when a movie releases, and
| gradually as the time passes, the movie now becomes same price
| to own as was to rent initially..."
|
| Aren't we seeing this exact trend already? Or are you saying
| new digital movies should cost even more than $20-30 initially?
| goosedragons wrote:
| We need DRM free digital movies and we need better digital
| goods consumer rights. Why can't I lend my digital copy to a
| friend? Why can they just literally steal my copy of a movie?
| And before someone says "You're just buying a LiCeNSe", yeah
| that's the same as DVD and VHS but they couldn't come into my
| home and rip it off the shelf could they?
| js2 wrote:
| > Not to mention, one movie is available with Netflix, another
| with Disney, yet another with Prime and so on and so forth...
| how does all this even make any sense from a customer's point
| of view?
|
| I started to watch _Valley Girl_ (1983) on my Criterion
| subscription on Sep 30. On Oct 1, I went to finish it. Gone.
| Can 't finish the movie on Criterion. According to Just Watch,
| I can finish it on Amazon Prime. Maybe? I have Criterion and I
| have Prime, but who's got time for this crap? I downloaded it
| from Usenet instead.
| indigodaddy wrote:
| Yeah I remember seeing it show up on Prime. Then disappeared
| for a month or two. Then back on Prime. Weird how stuff
| disappears, if only for a few days/weeks/months. Happens on
| HBO Max frequently as well..
| scarface74 wrote:
| Most movies are still released on Blu-Ray.
|
| But there are very few movies that I want to actually own in
| physical form to rewatch. If I did, I would buy them.
| maegul wrote:
| We might be stuck with streaming as a "medium" for the time
| being.
|
| In line with your comment, I was wondering what the modern
| video rental would be. Blockbuster weren't just sub-leasing
| their movies, they owned the physical copies. And any given
| video shop could have an excellent collection in one respect or
| another.
|
| The modern equivalent might be independent streaming services
| that legally own their video assets.
|
| Don't know how viable that would be. But I found it useful as a
| contrast to the present where we are still in a compromise with
| studios in the wake of piracy.
| IshKebab wrote:
| Meh I'll stick with digital media and piracy for when they screw
| it up. I feel like that's a reasonable compromise until they sort
| out the laws so this sort of thing can't happen.
|
| Returning to physical media isn't especially appealing.
| iggldiggl wrote:
| I've recently noticed that even digital purchases (in the sense
| of a DRM-free download) aren't absolutely perfect in that regard
| - the lack of a working second-hand market for digital downloads
| means that a work being pulled from distribution is more or less
| guaranteed to instantly become completely unavailable (at least
| legally speaking - if you're lucky you can still find it under
| the table through less reputable sources) from one moment to the
| next.
|
| With physical media on the other hand first of all stopping
| distribution doesn't automatically mean recall of _all_ existing
| stock from _all_ shops, and in any case there 's also the second
| hand market to completely legally fall back to.
| mikewarot wrote:
| I loved Amelie, we saw it in the theater multiple times, I have
| the MP3s of the soundtrack in my music folder, ripped from a long
| lost CD.
|
| It is _unacceptable_ that this great work of art is just _gone_
| from the world.
| indigodaddy wrote:
| Bought Amelie a few years ago and it's still playable in my
| Vudu library. Wonder if that was just a Canada thing.
| basicoperation wrote:
| Checking from the UK, it's available on Netflix, Disney+ and
| Amazon Prime.
|
| What region are you in?
| scarface74 wrote:
| It's available on DVD from Amazon.
| mikewarot wrote:
| Ok.. it's on it's way... perhaps in time for our
| Anniversary.. thanks!
| js2 wrote:
| Sheesh, you're right. I own it on on DVD. And I'm positive I've
| streamed it in HD in the past, but according to Just Watch it's
| not currently available anywhere for streaming. Amazon.com has
| the Blu-ray for $15.64 from the "Amazon Global Store UK" but
| it's apparently the Region B locked version, so it wouldn't
| play on my U.S. Bluray player.
|
| Meanwhile, there's a remux of the Blu-ray on usenet that took
| me 5 minutes to download. There, now I have it on my HTPC where
| no one can take it away from me, and I didn't have to wait 2-3
| weeks for it to ship from the U.K. and rip it myself just to
| watch it.
|
| Edit: I think I purchased _Amelie_ on iTunes a few years ago
| but Apple makes it really inconvenient to search your purchase
| history. You can 't do it on the web. You have to do it in this
| horrible window in the TV App (macOS) or Settings app (iOS)
| that makes use pick a year, then scroll through it, go back,
| pick the next year, etc. No search. It's almost as if they
| don't want you to know the movie went missing. Let's try a GDPR
| data export. I should know in days... :(
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| imhoguy wrote:
| and return to P2P sharing, as I struggle to find so many niche or
| uncensored titles anywhere as they are not monetizable anymore.
| lucidguppy wrote:
| The last dvd I bought was Apollo 11 - just spectacular and I knew
| it wouldn't be available elsewhere.
| NoboruWataya wrote:
| Totally agree about the many issues with streaming services, but
| I don't see how physical media is the solution. It comes with its
| own issues, principally waste. Surely a solution to this problem
| would simply being able to purchase movies for download in a
| common and lossless format?
| rchaud wrote:
| > Surely a solution to this problem would simply being able to
| purchase movies for download in a common and lossless format?
|
| This is not a solution because it reduces the price of the
| media to $0. So distributors have no incentive to do this.
| iggldiggl wrote:
| On the one hand I understand that the circumstances of the
| respective markets (movies vs. other media) aren't directly
| comparable, but on the other hand
|
| - eBooks are often (though not always) available without DRM
| - to the extent that music is still sold instead of being
| streamed, no-DRM is more or less universal
| maegul wrote:
| Surely waste is a problem with everything modern humanity does.
| Surely there's an argument to be made that our waste budget
| ought to have a dedicated portion for the arts?
|
| Plus, what are the numbers on alternatives? How much "waste" or
| pollution is a byproduct of streaming?
| indigodaddy wrote:
| But they would never allow that because they would say it
| promotes ease of piracy even moreso?
| iamdamian wrote:
| What about a DRM standard that's legally required to be
| portable across all devices and applications?
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