[HN Gopher] First evidence of social relationships between chimp...
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First evidence of social relationships between chimpanzees,
gorillas: study
Author : hhs
Score : 73 points
Date : 2022-10-01 15:56 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| ogig wrote:
| Of course such similar animal cohabiting in the same area will
| have "social relationships". Some birds have social relationship
| with mammals, as evidenced in many human to bird relationships.
| After many years observing corvids seems to me that carrion crows
| and magpies do have something that could be called social
| relationship.
|
| Don't want to be dismissive of the merits of this study, but to
| my eyes this is another "water is wet" paper. We keep insisting
| in this anthropocentric approach to understanding the world and
| it leads to plenty of biases.
|
| You are an animal, you have social relationships with other
| species (your dog, ie). Asume others animals, like you, do the
| same.
|
| PS: Wrote after some late night wine, excuses.
| zasdffaa wrote:
| No it's not obvious _at all_. Chimp tribes kill each other,
| ditto human tribes, and many other species.
|
| Added: to me it's about the last thing I'd have expected.
| Sharlin wrote:
| As always, science is just as much about confirming null
| hypotheses as it is about disproving them. Either way can be
| equally good science. Having scientific evidence that X happens
| is much more valuable than having a hypothesis that X happens.
| And obviously evidence almost never conveys just a single bit
| of information. This paper is about _how_ and _when_ and
| _where_ and _to what degree_ X was observed to happen, not only
| whether X did happen.
| ComplexSystems wrote:
| Sadly, real-world Science is almost never about confirming
| null hypotheses. There is an enormous amount of research that
| never gets published for this reason; because the authors had
| some interesting idea and it just happened to not pan out.
| matheist wrote:
| Paper full-text available at:
| https://www.cell.com/iscience/fulltext/S2589-0042(22)01331-1
|
| Choice quotes:
|
| > _gorillas were not observed visiting any of the five Ficus
| locations on the two days prior to the cofeeding event and
| visitation to figs was rare on the days after cofeeding. During
| ape follows, we also observed the gorilla group immediately
| change their travel direction to head toward chimpanzee
| vocalizations originating from the canopy of Ficus with ripe
| figs_
|
| > _Affiliative interactions included play with individuals of
| both species engaged in chasing, wrestling, play biting, and play
| hitting._
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| > _We also observed gesturing between species to initiate social
| interactions. Intriguingly, chimpanzees exhibited chest-beating
| which is a behavior characteristic of gorillas._
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| > _In contrast to predictions of competition between species,
| nearly all interspecific associations were tolerant or
| affiliative. Aggression was observed between gorillas and
| chimpanzees, but did not escalate to killing as reported from
| Loango, Gabon (Southern et al., 2021)._
| pelasaco wrote:
| I always remember the "World War Chimp":
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLn9GwHoUy0
| btheshoe wrote:
| My friend works in that exact lab as an on campus job. He's been
| telling me about his job watching gorillas, always thought it was
| really cool.
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