[HN Gopher] Twitter Appears to Shadowban Videos of Italy's First...
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Twitter Appears to Shadowban Videos of Italy's First Female
Incoming PM Meloni
Author : that
Score : 75 points
Date : 2022-09-30 18:22 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| stuaxo wrote:
| So there is a facism filter.
| that wrote:
| Wish I could find a more neutral source, but this is what is
| available. I was surprised to see this, I had thought that
| shadowbans on twitter were like those on reddit, so only used for
| non-human bots.
| tinus_hn wrote:
| A shadowban does not hide comments from the bot account but
| does hide it from not logged in users. It's trivial to code a
| check for.
|
| Shadowbans only work against annoying humans that don't pay
| attention.
| praisewhitey wrote:
| I'm seeing a lot of results (USA). Is this a region specific
| issue?
|
| https://twitter.com/search?q=Giorgia+Meloni+filter%3Avideos&...
| [deleted]
| tarakat wrote:
| I can confirm I get the same results. Testing for other leaders,
| I get plenty of results for e.g. Emanuel Macron. Ironically, the
| first result is a speech of Meloni addressing Macron.
|
| By the time they fix the "accidental bug triggered by anomalously
| high search volume" (or some similar excuse), the interest spike
| in Meloni will have passed, and her videos' reach will have been
| successfully stifled.
|
| And they'll learn their lesson, and next time will just reduce
| the visibility of her and her associates' posts. Assuming they
| haven't already also done that.
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| As always, the "mistakes" are always in the same direction.
| Jackpillar wrote:
| Daily Wire and Hacker News - what an increasingly weird yet
| fitting combination.
| sn0w_crash wrote:
| YouTube took down her videos then apologized and reinstated them.
|
| This is the democratically elected head of a state. Their first
| female PM.
| stefantalpalaru wrote:
| andirk wrote:
| In the eyes of the neoliberal, you're only supposed to use
| identity politics to attack your enemy, not as a means of
| stating basic facts such as she's Italy's first female PM.
| andijcr wrote:
| nit: she is the head of the party that received most votes.
| She will probably be prime minister, but for now no
| government was proposed to the president, even the new
| parliament will not start for another week
| kennywinker wrote:
| JSdev1 wrote:
| You may want to turn off the MSNBC, step outside and get some
| fresh air
| kennywinker wrote:
| I've never watched MSNBC outside of on silent in an airport
| bar. Your comment is unhelpful.
| jrsj wrote:
| What you are saying basically amounts to "My political
| opponents are Nazis and so is anyone who associates with
| them, so they should all be silenced."
|
| And yet _you 're_ not taking the extreme position there.
| Interesting how that works.
| lazyeye wrote:
| Its the only form of hate that's still acceptable.
| Ascribing the worst possible motives to the people you
| disagree with.
| kennywinker wrote:
| Sometimes it's ascribing the worst possible motive to
| someone you disagree with - sometimes you disagree with
| someone who has the worst possible motives. You're saying
| it's the former, I'm saying recently we've seen a lot of
| the latter.
| kennywinker wrote:
| I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with:
|
| 1. The premise that ideologies exist in the world that are
| so extreme and violent in their nature that they should
| receive zero tolerance (e.g. nazism, fascism).
|
| 2. The premise that people who tolerate an ideology are
| tainted by that association.
|
| 3. That Georgia Meloni is a fascist.
|
| Because 1 and 2 are not extremist views. They're held quite
| widely, and I don't think there are many people who believe
| you should sit down and listen when a nazi talks.
|
| You say that my view is "My political opponents are Nazis"
| - but that's not what I've said at all. I believe that
| nazis are nazis, fascists are fascist, and these SPECIFIC
| ideas are beyond tolerance. Not just any idea I disagree
| with - there are plenty of ideas that I am politically
| opposed to that I strongly disagree with but I will gladly
| tolerate. Just not core premises like "do these people
| deserve to live" or "do these people deserve dignity".
| yrgulation wrote:
| She hasnt even started as a pm yet the eu issued warnings.
| Apparently Ursula "has tools". You can't make this shit up.
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| +1 I was also shocked to hear in a news conference the EU
| president Ursula von der Leyen threaten the Italian voters
| right before the election. Seriously, I was shocked. So much
| for believing in democracy.
|
| I am very liberal politically, but I 100% support people on the
| right wing who run into trouble with the Neoliberal overlords.
|
| We need to have respect for all people's opinions (that are
| non-violent, etc.) and support all people's rights to vote as
| they wish. I think the Neoliberals must envy China's
| authoritarian control of their population, because that is what
| I think the Neoliberals want also.
|
| BTW, I joined the World Economic Forum for a while just to read
| directly what they were up to.
| yrgulation wrote:
| Likewise, left leaning and i find it shocking. And as much as
| i want to not criticise the eu and its politics i simply
| can't. Always sanctions and threats what happened to
| cooperation and mutual understanding?
| arinlen wrote:
| > _+1 I was also shocked to hear in a news conference the EU
| president Ursula von der Leyen threaten the Italian voters
| right before the election._
|
| This is the very first time I've heard such a thing. Do you
| have a source showcasing what you claim to be threats?
| tarakat wrote:
| _During a conference on Thursday at Princeton University,
| an attendant pointed out to von der Leyen that "figures
| close to Putin" were among candidates for the upcoming
| legislative election on Sunday. "We'll see," she replied.
| "If things go in a difficult direction -- and I've spoken
| about Hungary and Poland -- we have the tools."_ -
| https://www.politico.eu/article/italy-election-candidate-
| war...
| arinlen wrote:
| > _"If things go in a difficult direction -- and I've
| spoken about Hungary and Poland -- we have the tools."_
|
| Please explain what led you to interpret this as a threat
| of any form. The Orban reference was pretty clear.
|
| From the article:
|
| > _" This is a clear reference to the ability of the
| European Commission to cut funds allocated to member
| countries when they are deemed to be violating the rule
| of law."_
| miguelazo wrote:
| Cutting funds allocated to member countries for not
| voting the way you want seems like a pretty clear threat
| to me!
| detaro wrote:
| They can't cut funding for "not voting the way they
| want". Funding can be held back if governments violate
| treaty obligations, after a lengthy process.
| PatentlyDC123 wrote:
| I found this article to cover the quote in her recent
| speech about "tools." [0]
|
| [0] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eus-von-der-leyen-
| deliv...
| arinlen wrote:
| Here's the quote from the article.
|
| > _My approach is that whatever democratic government is
| willing to work with us, we 're working together," von
| der Leyen said at Princeton University in the United
| States on Thursday, responding to a question on whether
| there were any concerns with regard to the upcoming
| elections in Italy._
|
| > _" If things go in a difficult direction, I've spoken
| about Hungary and Poland, we have tools," she added._
|
| So a liberal democratic organization is prepared to
| protect itself from sabotage from fascist organizations
| that are actively manipulated by external actors to
| undermine them. That's your threat.
| miguelazo wrote:
| I assumed that you were using "liberal democratic
| organization" in jest, but now I am not sure. Would you
| like to elaborate on your "actively maniuplated by
| external actors" statement? Is this something like the
| Russiagate hoax? Are you suggesting Italian voters aren't
| capable of voting in their own interests?
| yrgulation wrote:
| A corrupt liberal democratic organisation that has no
| right to intervene in the democratic processes of
| sovereign member states that have formed an alliance to
| create the said organisation. I dont agree with polands
| or hungarys politics but that is not my business. The us
| is not sanctioning texas or florida for its politics and
| looney governors. Why is the eu which is not even a
| federal government daring make such interventions? Who
| gave them the right? Who voted ursula in in this so
| called "democracy"?
| miguelazo wrote:
| andirk wrote:
| Facebook and Twitter outright admitted to blocking content
| related to Hunter Biden's laptop before the election 2020. They
| claimed it was for privacy concerns. And then after the election,
| there was no worry so that rule went away. All of these decisions
| are of a neoliberal view of the world which is mainly "yes war,
| identity politics when convenient, block dissent otherwise". This
| will only continue.
| boppo1 wrote:
| Not sure why this is downvoted, Zuckerberg himself acknowledged
| the legitimacy* of the H. Biden laptop story and that it was
| mistakenly blocked. Something like "There was a lot of BS going
| around at the time and we had to make a call on it quickly and
| we were wrong." It was fairly level headed if I recall.
|
| *to some extent. I know there were people claiming the laptop
| tied the Bidens into some sort of demon worshipping child
| eating cult or something, obviously that's a joke.
| A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote:
| At the time it happened, I noted that a lot of goodwill tech
| companies managed to accumulate over the years will be
| squandered on an election drama. I agree that the post-fact
| discussion was better, but real-time panic was palpable. Just
| doing all that stuff in tandem with Twitter moved the story
| from conspiracy theory to a simple 'they are colluding so it
| must be true'.
|
| It is nothing that an average information analyst would not
| predict. I can only assume reasonable voices were ignored.
| arinlen wrote:
| > _Facebook and Twitter outright admitted to blocking content
| related to Hunter Biden 's laptop before the election 2020.
| They claimed it was for privacy concerns. And then after the
| election, there was no worry so that rule went away._
|
| Isn't that "story" pure bullshit propaganda fabricated in a
| desperate attempt to manipulate elections?
| PatentlyDC123 wrote:
| It was later admitted by the Times that it was real.
|
| https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-the-news-thats-finally-
| fit-...
| arinlen wrote:
| > _It was later admitted by the Times that it was real._
|
| No, not really. That opinion piece just refers to "Hunter
| Biden's business dealings", which is quite the strawman
| when compared to the original baseless accusations and
| conspiracy theories fabricated around hypothetical emails.
|
| The bullshit propaganda fabricated around the laptop's
| conspiracy theory has bee extensively debunked and widely
| reported as being nothing more than propaganda.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controver
| s...
| tarakat wrote:
| That's the same trick used on the great replacement. Pick
| the most conspiratorial, unlikely version of it (evil
| Jews meeting in secret, plotting to cause immigration to
| turn whites into an oppressed minority in their own
| lands, and _no other reason_ ), show that there is no
| evidence of that, the apply the label of "debunked" to
| anything that can be vaguely called replacement (relative
| demographic reduction of white population due to
| immigration policies enacted since the 1960s).
|
| In other words, an offensive motte and bailey strategy.
| Attack the motte, then claim you've destroyed the bailey.
| miguelazo wrote:
| You meant the bullshit propaganda about it being some
| Russian intel plant was debunked, I presume? Because the
| contents were confirmed as legit, which makes sense since
| the Bidens never once denied they were authentic.
| Hunter's business dealings in Ukraine are quite well
| known and relevant to current events. ;-)
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| nunobrito wrote:
| I've tested the same video search from a twitter account in
| Portugal and confirm the same (zero) results. My country lived
| through a dictatorship not long ago where someone in power
| decided what citizens could read or not, for "our own good" of
| course.
|
| To whoever supports this censoring: please remember to remain
| consistent when these platforms start to shadowban you.
| Sunspark wrote:
| The people who make these decisions, who are the ones signing off
| on this sort of thing?
|
| Somehow I doubt this went to the board of directors level to ask
| if they have sign-off on low-key blocking a head of state in a
| market publicly-traded Twitter Inc. is active in.
| akomtu wrote:
| It's a VP level thing. Some lowly offshore "content watcher"
| flags suspicious posts, the important flags bubble up in a
| email chain to a VP, who makes the decision. That's for high
| visibility dissenters. This email chain is discoverable if
| anyone bothers to sue and convince the judge.
| epivosism wrote:
| In the leaked Elon texts, there were mentions of a suspected
| cabal that would keep these kind of decisions from the board.
| So I'm not so sure that leaders trust their own censorship
| orgs to do the right thing.
| Arnt wrote:
| Or ML.
|
| If a user/keyword/whatever gets negative karma because
| previously-blocked nazis fawn over it, newly posted Giorgia
| Meloni videos will carry a heavy burden, even if that
| particular video isn't anything to complain about. The ML
| will guess that the nazis are going to like it, and load the
| new videos with negative karma.
| akomtu wrote:
| Oh, please. I've seen this in action. If ML is used, it's
| only to flag suspicious posts: bans are handed by corp
| managers.
| guywithahat wrote:
| Never thought I'd see a daily wire article here.
|
| The unfortunate bit is what'll happen is twitter will go "oops we
| made a mistake", but never acknowledge why this happened in the
| first place (which is likely because they were doing something
| nefarious to her ranking on twitter).
| miguelazo wrote:
| Of course it was intentional-- Twitter and the rest of the
| social media companies are infested with former (if not
| current) spooks, many hired for precisely this sort of work --
| "content moderation" policy. Meloni is viewed as not "reliable"
| for pursuing the proxy war against Russia.
| (https://www.mintpressnews.com/how-the-cia-has-infiltrated-
| so...)
| moralestapia wrote:
| The only thing I'd like to see out of the whole Musk-Twitter
| affair is some transparency on how they actually "rank" things
| on their site. And I'm sure there's a lot of mud in there.
| popilewiz wrote:
| lazyeye wrote:
| Its surprising how effective media censorship can be. Anything
| the media wilfully chooses to ignore immediately becomes a
| "fringe conspiracy theory" no matter how real it might be. And
| any attempt to discuss the subject is viewed in this way.
| tamentis wrote:
| Try to bring it up to friends and family in a week. Anybody
| trying to google that fact will struggle to find any
| information about it.
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