[HN Gopher] David Byrne, Philip Glass, Allen Ginsberg on the out...
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David Byrne, Philip Glass, Allen Ginsberg on the outsider art of
Arthur Russell
Author : tintinnabula
Score : 56 points
Date : 2022-09-23 17:59 UTC (3 days ago)
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| davidro80 wrote:
| legerdemain wrote:
| Bizarrely, I was turned on to Arthur Russell's music via random
| Pandora dice-rolling (I think via the completely unrelated
| Penguin Cafe Orchestra). His music is definitely both personal
| and idiosyncratic.
| danem wrote:
| For any disco fans out there, Arthur Russell and David Byrne
| collaborated on this[1] track.
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| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O92UBBaiI4
|
| [2] A better mix (without Byrne):
| https://soundcloud.com/fattyfattyphonographics/kiss-me-again...
| mtalantikite wrote:
| Whenever I'm out walking around NYC and it starts raining I put
| on "World of Echo". It's a great accompaniment.
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| davidro80's [dead] comment seems to be factually accurate:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg#Association_wit...
| michaelwww wrote:
| I think davidro80's comment was too black or white and an
| attempt to shut down discussion. Those type of comments usually
| get downvoted on HN. I can admire Ginsberg's "Howl" without
| approving of his personal life, but I understand some can't get
| past it.
| earthscienceman wrote:
| "outsider art", like a lot of labels for artists (or labels in
| general?), is pretty fraught with issues. But that doesn't take
| away from how great a lot of Arthur Russel's music is. "I never
| get lonesome" is one of the most fascinating takes on an aspect
| of the human experience, words about something I have felt so
| strongly but never heard put to paper. His voice is wonderful.
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| "Outsider art" rubs me the wrong way because defining it seems
| like an exercise in gatekeeping. What is the wall that divides
| the two? Social connections, maybe educational background.
| Acknowledging something as outsider art is fundamentally
| condescending. It says that while the work has artistic merit,
| can be recognized as art, it nevertheless must be qualified as
| coming from outside the anointed clique.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _What is the wall that divides the two? Social connections,
| maybe educational background._
|
| So? Any definition is based on a wall that divides the thing
| defined from other things...
|
| > _It says that while the work has artistic merit, can be
| recognized as art, it nevertheless must be qualified as
| coming from outside the anointed clique._
|
| Well, that's factual (it does come outside the anointed
| clique). And as many other things, it can be useful to know,
| when placing the artwork in perspective.
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| _" must be qualified"_ is subjective, not factual. Nothing
| bad will happen if artists simply abstain from calling
| other artists outsiders.
| CallingCalliope wrote:
| Zen and the art of motorcycling. Can Quality be described
| or is beauty in the eye of the beholder, maybe more, if
| your in the pecking order of domestication it applies.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| Yeah, outsider art's dictionary definition would imply Russell
| has no formal training (like, e.g. Wesley Willis), but that's
| not really the case. I wish colloquially we more strongly
| enforced a difference between this and using "outsider" as an
| easy way to say something isn't "in", either commercially or
| critically.
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