[HN Gopher] We're not even close to ready for the population gro...
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We're not even close to ready for the population growth we're
getting
Author : tarakat
Score : 19 points
Date : 2022-09-22 20:07 UTC (2 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (nationalpost.com)
| norwalkbear wrote:
| Then we probably need to stop immigration until we can get a
| handle on it.
| bergenty wrote:
| Stop the professionals that create a vast majority of the
| wealth or build more housing? It's not really a tough decision.
| norwalkbear wrote:
| How does that lower the population?
| bsder wrote:
| People have been predicting this for _centuries_. It hasn 't
| gotten any more correct.
|
| We know what happen when countries modernize--they invariably
| fall below replacement rate. So, the "solution" is to modernize
| the places that immigrants flee from.
|
| The real issue "modern" societies are starting to have is that
| everything is based on a pyramid scheme (more young people than
| old people) that is beginning to unravel everywhere. _That_ is
| something nobody is ready for.
| chizhik-pyzhik wrote:
| Seems like a good article. Stable, wealthy countries like Canada
| are in the best position to build more housing and absorb
| migration from poorer regions.
| rayiner wrote:
| I don't understand the article. If population growth will strain
| scarce housing resources, why not just cut immigration? It seems
| like a knob you can turn to make things balance?
|
| > I have seen no coverage that presents this as a problem -- not
| even from Quebec, which is hopelessly consumed with linguistic
| and ethnic political diversions and where StatCan projections
| present a different kind of scenario: Smaller cities like Trois-
| Rivieres and Saguenay are projected to see their visible-minority
| populations rise even as their total populations decline, and not
| just by a little.
|
| I just got back from a cousin's wedding in Toronto. Quite a bit
| of my family from Bangladesh has moved there. The number of south
| Asians in the city is remarkable. It was nice in some ways.
| (Obviously nice to see family, but also to be around other folks
| from a similar background.) But I wonder if they can in the long
| term avoid the fate that's befallen Anglo and French Canadian.
| alephnerd wrote:
| The Canadian government has been targeting increased
| immigration for the past several years [0]. There has been a
| lot of bipartisan lobbying in support of this by the Century
| Initiative [1]. Imo the Canadian immigration system is a pretty
| streamlined system that the US could take a couple pages from,
| while also keeping the INS's strong background checking
| infrastructure. Sadly I know a number of people who abused the
| system (fake asylum claims, fake documents), but Immigration
| Canada doesn't seem to take background checks as seriously as
| the US.
|
| [0] -
| https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-14/trudeau-p...
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| [1] - https://www.centuryinitiative.ca/
| rayiner wrote:
| But if the population growth is a problem, why?
| alephnerd wrote:
| Mostly because despite the massive growth in population and
| immigration, there isn't the equivalent in housing or jobs.
| Salaries still suck back in Canada, and if you're a White
| Collar Canadian citizen, it's better to just work in the
| Bay Area or Seattle indefinetly on a TN Visa (clearly you
| can see which part of Canada we used to live). The US can
| easily absorb the amount of immigration Canada is seeing,
| but a country that has around 10% of the US's population
| and a GDP that's around 5-10% of the US can't
| Jemm wrote:
| In Canada immigrants vote for the Liberal party who are
| currently in power. It doesn't take long before many of
| those immigrants forget their past and vote against their
| best interest for the Conservative party.
|
| The Libaral party (which is actually the moderate of the
| three parties) pushes for immigration.
|
| Immigrants are a source of cheap labour to be exploited.
| There is a real shortage of jobs here that pay a living
| wage.
|
| Immigration raising the population is good for the housing
| investors who want to see prices continue to climb. Many of
| our politicians are either real estate investors or have
| ties to real estate investors.
|
| Canada is a huge country but most people live along the
| southern border. Services and infrastructure even a few
| hundred kilometers north are bare to non-existent. Much of
| the land in Ontario, for instance, is flood plane,
| conservation controlled, native land or greenbelt farmland
| which cannot be divided (until a mega rich development
| company somehow manages it). This means crowding.
|
| Most people think Canada has no corruption and is stable,
| well that is not really true. Corruption here is just at a
| much higher level.
| bergenty wrote:
| Because Canada is woefully underpopulated and the South Asians
| basically create a massively disproportionate amount of our
| wealth. It would be the dumbest fix to the problem considering
| building new housing is easy.
| alephnerd wrote:
| The South Asian aspect is false. Desi Canadians tend to be
| blue collar. Chinese Canadians tend to be way more white
| collar than us.
| rendang wrote:
| Perhaps Canada could use a new planned city or two on the BC
| coast. That area must be among the most underpopulated in the
| world, accounting for the mild weather and presence of fresh
| water.
| alephnerd wrote:
| Jobs would be even better. Richmond, Burnaby, Langley, and the
| Lower Delta are all newish built (1980s-2000s), but a large
| enough white collar job base simply isn't there.
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