[HN Gopher] Cloudflare Beta (2009)
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Cloudflare Beta (2009)
Author : O__________O
Score : 119 points
Date : 2022-09-20 14:59 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.projecthoneypot.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.projecthoneypot.org)
| dang wrote:
| Related, I guess:
|
| _Matthew Prince: CloudFlare Was Inspired by Project Honeypot and
| the DHS_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21071978 - Sept
| 2019 (1 comment)
|
| _Project HoneyPot: The Web 's Largest Community Tracking Online
| Fraud and Abuse_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7614182 -
| April 2014 (1 comment)
|
| _1 Billion Spammers Served - Deep Insights into Spam_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=996698 - Dec 2009 (13
| comments)
| divbzero wrote:
| HN has become not only the front page of tech news but also a
| repository of tech history.
| dang wrote:
| I hope it can get more that way over time, and that we can
| build better tools for accessing it.
| lupire wrote:
| > Provide the service at no cost... because you shouldn't have to
| pay to ensure your website is protected.
|
| Was that a lie?
|
| https://www.cloudflare.com/ddos/ says "Contact Sales"
| dkersten wrote:
| Are you ignoring the part of that page where if you click sign
| up, you can create an account for free, and get protection and
| services for free? Sure, its not everything they offer is free,
| but enough for most users is.
| throwawayKiwi9 wrote:
| It also says "Sign Up". With a very comprehensive free tier of
| services.
| cj wrote:
| No. Basic DDoS protection with Cloudflare is free.
| saghm wrote:
| I don't think it's terribly surprising that there might be
| companies out there who charge for things that they think
| should be free because they can get away with it. That said, in
| this case it sounds like pretty standard marketing speak, and I
| tend to be skeptical that anything sounding like that is a
| genuine profession of values rather than a catchy tagline
| (which probably explains my lack of surprise at the first thing
| as well)
| jgrahamc wrote:
| Huh. Oddly enough I'd never read this.
| jedberg wrote:
| That's funny, I figured they would have shown it to you for
| recruiting purposes. :)
|
| I remember Matt always talking about how Cloudflare was his
| ultimate vision for the honeypot project -- a way to block bad
| actors on the internet by aggregating information.
| jgrahamc wrote:
| He tried to recruit me very early on although I don't think
| in 2009 (I believe it was the year after) and I wasn't ready
| to go to the US and they weren't ready to have someone in
| London.
| ranger_danger wrote:
| O__________O wrote:
| Didn't down vote you, but generally bad form to hijack a
| thread just to pop a question about a completely unrelated
| topic; both from the thread and post itself.
| LinuxBender wrote:
| I contributed some VM's to this early on in the project but
| then pulled out of it. There were no stats to show how my nodes
| were contributing and I was concerned that I might lose my VPS
| account since I could not tell how this was being used. I liked
| the idea.
| O__________O wrote:
| Realize (now) you're Cloudflare's CTO, but might be worth
| pointing it out when you're replying to Cloudflare related
| topics; you obviously have been around HN awhile so guessing
| it's unlikely to make a difference, but in my experience on HN
| people generally appreciate the clarity.
| jgrahamc wrote:
| Yeah, but I worry about:
| https://c.tenor.com/a_NihQtSKK0AAAAC/anchorman-ron-
| burgundy....
| stingraycharles wrote:
| FWIW I agree with that approach. HN audience recognizes you
| anyway which gathers the upvotes, and if it's really
| confusing someone will point out you're the CF CTO anyway.
| yencabulator wrote:
| Think of it more as a name tag & uniform a franchise
| restaurant makes its employees wear, so you know who works
| there. Takes away the prestige pretty quick ;)
| O__________O wrote:
| In my experience, better to mention it, but understand your
| experience might say otherwise.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| I just flagged/downvoted as content-less/off topic (as it is)
| and move on. No need to simp for online execs
| O__________O wrote:
| Don't agree about the flagging/down voting, since normally
| community agrees it is appropriate; also, how would the
| user even know that was an issue.
|
| Do agree there appears to be degree of simp like behavior
| going on, which is interesting.
| [deleted]
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| They have it in their bio which is the HN norm, not
| announcing one's creds at every turn.
|
| But I think these "HNers would appreciate it!" community
| spokesman kinds of comments are kinda lame. I don't think
| HNers need to be spoon fed "I'm Cloudlfare's CTO btw! :^D"
| every time the guy rears his head. Especially just to say he
| never read TFA before...
| O__________O wrote:
| Said the user with "this account is a GPT-3 bot" in their
| profile.
|
| Like I said, pointed this out 100s of times over years and
| my experience says otherwise; not my first account, nor
| will it be my last. Also, not dang, not trying to be dang,
| but also firmly believe HN is a community and important for
| the community to express themselves, but also would be more
| than happy to respect dang's wishes.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| > They have it in their bio which is the HN norm, not
| announcing one's creds at every turn.
|
| No, appending something like "(disclaimer: CF employee)" is
| absolutely the norm anytime it could even remotely be
| construed as a conflict of interest. It might be fine here,
| but this is an edge case.
| googlryas wrote:
| Can you share for me some concerns you have about this
| disclaimer not being present on jgrahamc's post?
|
| Do you feel you have been mislead by his post?
| O__________O wrote:
| To me, it's about the easy of connecting a comments
| relevance to the post, assuming CTO was on the founding
| team, so makes sense that them posting they had never
| seen the post adds value to the thread; anyone else
| posting comment like that would have likely been down
| voted.
|
| To me, fair to assume everyone does not know everyone
| else, though they might be familiar with a subset of the
| information, for example, knowing who Cloudflare is. If a
| user appending affiliation to a comment adds context, to
| me it makes sense to add it - and not assume or expect
| users to click your profile, other users point out who
| you are, etc.
| googlryas wrote:
| But even if you didn't know the user was a cloudflare
| exec, the comment just becomes a boring throwaway comment
| from some luser on the internet telling you their
| thoughts, like posting 'Me too!' like some braindead
| AOLer.
| O__________O wrote:
| Sorry, but do not understand references or generally what
| you were expressing; highly suggest reading all my
| comments in thread to avoid forcing me to unnecessarily
| repeat myself.
| googlryas wrote:
| My point is that adding a disclaimer about your employer
| only matters if the post has a possibility of being seen
| as astroturfing if the reader doesn't know about the
| relationship between the poster and the company.
|
| For example, if jgrahamc said "I never knew that.
| Cloudflare is such an amazing company, everyone should
| apply for a job there!", then okay, request a disclaimer.
| But if someone just says "I didn't know that", then the
| comment goes from mildly interesting (if you know who
| they are) to boring (if you don't know who they are). The
| failure mode here for lack of disclaimer is the post just
| becomes a boring, low-effort comment.
|
| I think jgrahamc adding "I'm the CTO of cloudflare, and I
| didn't know that!" might have been reasonable context,
| but no disclaimer is required, because the reader didn't
| need to be protected from the post. There was no conflict
| of interest in the post.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| I disagree that every comment you make in a community has
| to stand alone and reintroduce yourself lest a newcomer
| flies off the handle without knowing who they're
| responding to.
|
| That is just annoying. Nor do I think it's a convincing
| point coming from someone who suggests they aren't new
| here.
|
| imo people new to a community could slow their roll esp
| in a debate.
| jjulius wrote:
| >I disagree that every comment you make in a community
| has to stand alone and reintroduce yourself lest a
| newcomer flies off the handle without knowing who they're
| responding to.
|
| I think it's circumstantial. For instance, I don't really
| think it's necessary for the CTO to have said,
| "disclaimer: CF employee/CTO/whatever" in this thread.
| But in _this_ thread[1] from yesterday, I think it would
| 've been helpful.
|
| [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32912075#32912276
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Alright; I've been on HN for 5 years. Since we're all
| friends who know each other so well, how about you tell
| me about myself? I'm reasonably active and I have an
| extremely recognizable username, so you should of course
| remember me quite well.
| benzible wrote:
| Unspam, Prince's company before Cloudflare, which created Project
| Honeypot, had a slightly unsavory (to me, at least) business
| model of lobbying state legislatures to pass laws requiring "no-
| contact" registries with requirements that were tailored for
| Unspam. Looks like they succeeded in 2 states and some version of
| the company exists: https://www.unspam.com Prince gave up on it
| and got an MBA at Harvard but he's still listed on the company
| website.
| lupire wrote:
| Benjamin Franklin called that "doing well by doing good" when
| he lobbied for a national postal service.
| Xeoncross wrote:
| 2 second explanation: https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc?t=156
| radicaldreamer wrote:
| I think one interesting thing about Cloudflare is that once
| enabled on a domain, it can be used to serve different versions
| of that domain to different audiences, enabling things like
| selective censorship and propaganda.
|
| Cloudflare has also taken investments from the intelligence
| agencies (at least in the US).
| cj wrote:
| To be fair, the ability to serve different content to different
| users was (is) a primary feature of essentially all web
| servers. This has been the case for multiple decades.
| radicaldreamer wrote:
| The difference is that this is a man-in-the-middle where you
| don't need coordination with the web server at all.
| [deleted]
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