[HN Gopher] R. Crumb Means Some Offense
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R. Crumb Means Some Offense
Author : prismatic
Score : 54 points
Date : 2022-09-19 19:05 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| js2 wrote:
| A picture is worth the first paragraph:
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| https://imgur.com/h1D5Qo3
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| (Oddly, mid-way through the article is an image of six of the 12
| panels but in black & white.)
| pfarrell wrote:
| I was wondering if there was a licensing thing that prevented
| them from publishing it. I thought it was kind of weird too.
| [deleted]
| nemo44x wrote:
| A thing that modern, typically liberal people and journals don't
| understand about people like Crumb is they come from a background
| of not trusting authority. And they conflate 1960s counter
| culture of not trusting Nixon and the mainstream conservative
| culture with trusting liberal authority. And for some, sure. But
| for many it's about not trusting authority regardless of which
| side wields it.
|
| So his Covid paranoia is totally consistent with a worldview of
| not trusting authority ever and never assuming that there's a
| group of "good guys". It's difficult for The NY Times editor to
| understand because they are in fact part of the authority and
| want a particular side of it to be it.
| nraynaud wrote:
| Funny, I first heard of him from friends who live une the same
| village. I have met his daughter but not him.
| nanna wrote:
| I'll never forget how nine months before my PhD was due, I had to
| tell my supervisor that I'd not written a single line that could
| be kept, and that I'd come to the point of feeling 24/7 like R
| Crumb's "little guy that lives inside my brain" really was inside
| my brain.
|
| https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0a/95/97/0a95973f25e055a10a4e29b03...
| randombits0 wrote:
| Check out R. Crumb's "illustrated Book of Genesis". I thought
| for sure it was going to be a spoof or parody. Nope, he plays
| it straight and it's even creepier than his other work! I love
| it!
| bravura wrote:
| His illustrations make it enjoyable to read 30 men who beget
| each other in turn, or what look like endless log statements
| of various valuables, like 50 oxen, 30 gold ingots, 50 calfs,
| &cetera
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| https://theslingsandarrows.com/wp-
| content/uploads/2020/08/Th...
| aidenn0 wrote:
| My wife went to seminary and that was on a recommended
| reading list for one class; maybe the only time she borrowed
| a book from me for school.
| hhmc wrote:
| How did your supervisor react?
| W-Stool wrote:
| I am a Crumb fan and enjoyed this piece, although I guess I'm not
| surprised at some of his world views. The 1994 movie "Crumb"
| referenced in this article is really, really interesting. Fun
| fact: I've been through Winters, California many times on the way
| to Napa and had no idea he used to live there.
| itronitron wrote:
| I'm not a Crumb fan but I highly recommend the "Crumb"
| documentary that you mention. It was very interesting hearing
| that he and his brothers were creating their own comic books,
| and there are some other useful insights to the creative
| process.
| dieselgate wrote:
| Oh I wasn't aware he no longer lived there
| avrionov wrote:
| At the end of the movie "Crumb" he moves to France.
| SleepilyLimping wrote:
| I like how there's a degree of "too old to cancel" and R. Crumb
| is in there. I don't think people who bring up how messed up a
| dude he is can get much social currency from cancelling him, so
| he just kinda persists.
| michaelwww wrote:
| To be cancelled you have to first be part of acceptable society
| and want to remain there, which Crumb never was and never
| wanted to be. He's a creep who likes to make interesting
| cartoons, even if they are filled with misogyny and bitterness.
| He comes from a creepy family, which the film "Crumb" makes
| clear with Crumb's blessing. He's doing alright considering.
| majormajor wrote:
| "Too old"? He's younger than Bill Cosby...
|
| Maybe "cancelling" is a cheap word for a more complex set of
| phenomenon than you're treating it as.
| standyro wrote:
| R. Crumb was authentic.
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| That said, I think "canceling" has more meaning behind it
| than you might think.
|
| Bill Cosby was an inauthentic and visible symbol of the black
| middle class and "canceled" among media types because his
| messy real life persona clashed with his clean cut image. Age
| didn't factor in. I think many also had an ax to grind.
|
| These days, to be "canceled", I think you have to be
| profoundly inauthentic and ultimately accept the blame when
| the Twitter mob comes. Plenty of media figures have woven
| their careers to even embrace the image of fighting the
| Twitter moral police.
| sbf501 wrote:
| > fighting the Twitter moral police.
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| There are no twitter moral police, there are just opinions
| you don't like.
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| I like that.
|
| Yeah, hard to imagine people like R. Crumb (or Ed "Big
| Daddy" Roth, others) worrying what the hell Twitter
| thought. Some artists (lets add Frank Zappa?) would
| probably have relished the publicity.
| [deleted]
| chasd00 wrote:
| "canceling" means getting kicked off of social media platforms
| and fired. if you're not on social media platforms and self-
| employed then you can't really be "cancelled" at all.
| goto11 wrote:
| I'm not sure how you could "cancel" someone like Crumb. He is
| self-employed making independent comic books.
|
| But with his oeuvre it is unlikely Disney will hire him any
| time soon.
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| Yeah, I am thinking I don't even know what "cancelling"
| means.
| exolymph wrote:
| It's not about age. It's about whether you piss off the people
| paying your bills and/or gatekeepers who can restrict your
| ability to reach the people who pay your bills. I'll hazard a
| guess that Crumb fans aren't overly invested in ideological
| purity.
| klyrs wrote:
| Turns out that "cancel culture" is just a marketing slogan.
| narrator wrote:
| If you've ever read Crumb's comic books, he was fully
| cancelable in the 1970s. He has always existed outside the
| mainstream and thus has never relied on mainstream distribution
| or publicity. If anything, he's a little more acceptable to the
| mainstream now because hardcore pornography is more widespread
| and grudgingly accepted these days.
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| > If anything, he's a little more acceptable to the
| mainstream now because hardcore pornography is more
| widespread and grudgingly accepted these days.
|
| That seems like quite a stretch -- and I would say built on a
| questionable premise.
| CharlesW wrote:
| The page was unscrollable for me, so for anyone who might be
| having a similar problem:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20220919190513/https://www.nytim...
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