[HN Gopher] My productivity system
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       My productivity system
        
       Author : nunodonato
       Score  : 146 points
       Date   : 2022-09-18 10:37 UTC (12 hours ago)
        
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       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | I posted my own tracking/productivity system, a few days ago[0].
       | 
       | TL;DR, I use a PostIt pad.
       | 
       | [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32799964
        
       | howmayiannoyyou wrote:
       | I've been using whatboard.app to manage my tasks. I pin ongoing
       | tasks, unpin to-do's, archive things I may have to tackle or
       | recall later.
        
       | Shank wrote:
       | On macOS, Tot [0] is a great app that replaces the "working
       | memory dot txt" format that Cal Newport likes. The upshot with
       | Tot is that you get a fixed number of pages, and they're
       | synchronized via iCloud. So, you can add to your "working memory
       | text file" from anywhere you have an iOS or macOS device, and
       | it's simple enough that it can't grow into a more complex system.
       | 
       | [0]: https://tot.rocks/
        
         | kstrauser wrote:
         | I wanted to love Tot, but its iCloud sync just isn't good. In
         | my first week or so of ownership, sync between my devices
         | stopped working a couple of times. I followed the instructions
         | (https://support.iconfactory.com/kb/tot/icloud-sync-not-
         | worki...), and that worked for a while, but then it un-synced
         | again. I ended up getting a refund for it.
         | 
         | In the end, I stuck with Drafts. It doesn't have the 7-item
         | feature/gimmick, and it's not as pretty, but it's been 100%
         | rock solid for me for years.
        
       | rodolphoarruda wrote:
       | I've used paper notebooks as working memories for almost 10
       | years, until I learned about Evernote, which I had adopted ever
       | since. I quickly became addicted to it. I was storing absolutely
       | everything in it. It was around 1000 or 1300 notes when I began
       | to lose track of things, meaning, information and documents.
       | Search stopped being effective to me and I ended of with too many
       | tags. I decided to adopt the model which uses only 2 notebooks:
       | .Inbox and Archive. Everything else is organized via tagging.
       | Today I have around 3500 notes which are mostly a personal
       | archive. I simply gave up trying to be productive finding things
       | in that ocean of information. So I'm using Google Keep for basic
       | note taking and txt files with long descriptive names in project
       | folders when I need to keep specific notes isolated from all the
       | rest. Nautilus search works fine in finding those files as I type
       | parts of their names.
        
       | nojito wrote:
       | The only productivity hack is to not be terminally online.
       | 
       | Every year there are new apps/tools/"systems". There is an entire
       | industry catered to making you "productive"
        
         | nunodonato wrote:
         | True that. For me it was not about not being online, but
         | actually being online without getting distracted from useless
         | websites (mostly social media or chat). I wrote about that in
         | my previous blog post. Ever since I cut out all the noise I've
         | found lots of time to read and write, which I love.
        
       | ThomPete wrote:
       | To be more productive. Be more selective.
        
       | epolanski wrote:
       | I like using Notion + PARA[1].
       | 
       | I have a journal where I write notes with daily todos or make
       | notes about systems/code, etc. It's okay for everyday stuff.
       | 
       | Then I have a separate PARA for larger ongoing stuff.
       | 
       | [1] https://fortelabs.com/blog/para/
        
       | conor_f wrote:
       | Was really thrown by all the references to "GTD". It seems like a
       | heavily commercialized productivity workflow?
       | 
       | My entire productivity system revolves around Vikunja[1]. It's
       | essentially just a todo list application, but it's super flexible
       | (e.g. view as list, kanban, gantt, etc), supports having many
       | lists (I keep one per different idea/topic), and so many other
       | features. You can also self-host it for free, which has been a
       | completely painless process for me personally, and gives you the
       | standard peace of mind from being in control of your personal
       | data.
       | 
       | Highly suggest checking it out!
       | 
       | [1] https://vikunja.io/
        
         | alpaca128 wrote:
         | Smooth UI and I can actually try it without an account, that
         | looks promising. I guess I'll add Vikunja to my to-do list ;)
        
         | maroonblazer wrote:
         | Vikunja looks good, thanks for sharing. The biggest drawback
         | seems to be that the mobile app isn't at parity with the
         | desktop version.
         | 
         | I've been using Remember The Milk for the last several years.
         | At $40/year it's been rock solid.
         | 
         | https://www.rememberthemilk.com/
        
         | anonymousDan wrote:
         | Is there any way to interact with vikunja through the command
         | line? Or does it defeat the purpose?
        
         | esperent wrote:
         | Getting Things Done is a book that describes a system for...
         | Well you get it. There doesn't have to be anything commercial
         | about it, you can find synopses online for free and the system
         | is simple so those are probably nearly as good as reading the
         | book.
         | 
         | I read it about ten years ago and still use some parts of it,
         | it's a good system and probably becomes more and more useful
         | the busier you are. I'm sure it could be used alongside the app
         | you shared. Which looks nice btw, I've been looking for
         | something self hosted to use for a small team. I'll check it
         | out.
        
         | tengwar2 wrote:
         | There are commercial training courses, which most people don't
         | take. The recommended techniques are based on pen and paper -
         | so no real potential for commercialisation there. Of course
         | most people born after 1960 will use some form of computer
         | assistance, but that's not the GTD people selling product.
        
         | bbkane wrote:
         | Vikunja looks really nice!! I might actually be able to replace
         | MS TODO!
        
       | dasil003 wrote:
       | I dabbled with GTD in the late 00s/early 10s. This coincided with
       | growing the team at my startup and generally needing to keep more
       | balls in the air from a management perspective. I even used
       | OmniFocus for a while. But as I moved into larger companies where
       | efficient collaboration is the limiting function, I realized that
       | my personal productivity system is not where the value is.
       | 
       | Essentially as a leader in a larger engineering org, the
       | productivity systems that generate more value are the ones that
       | are shared. Even though I can't control them directly I can
       | create more value by A) getting onboard with the way that
       | collaborating teams want to work and B) influencing people and
       | nudging these systems in the direction that makes sense based on
       | my expertise. This often feels like herding cats, but it's a core
       | job of a manager. In addition, all software workers, whether
       | manager or IC, need space for deep freeform thinking. It's
       | imperative that whatever systems we use not come in the way of
       | this.
       | 
       | With this in mind, my personal system has to be lightweight and
       | flexible so that it minimizes overhead and doesn't impose any
       | constraints on how I am working with others. To that end, I've
       | largely reduced to using Workflowy for all tasks / notes / plans.
       | I do this in a reverse chronological style w/ regular chunked
       | archiving. I also star every "important" email thread and
       | bookmark every relevant doc or page that comes across my desk. In
       | this manner I can go back and search history comprehensively as
       | needed, but my working space for any given project or domain is
       | always small and generally fits above the fold in the Workflowy
       | context. There are a few little tactical hacks I use (eg. #action
       | hashtag for todos), but those are ephemeral and I will discard or
       | change them whenever it suits me. The key thing overall is that
       | the system requires less than an hour a week of maintenance and
       | is a single source of truth for my personal focus.
        
       | mawadev wrote:
       | My productivity system: I turn off the internet
        
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       | ChildOfChaos wrote:
       | I adore Trello.
       | 
       | It's the only productivity/todo list type app that I have ever
       | stuck too.
       | 
       | I think it's mostly because of the flexibility it overs. I put
       | everything into it.
       | 
       | I have a whole board called 'Spark File' which is just lists of
       | stuff, so whenever I need an idea for something it's there. Want
       | to watch a movie? I've made a note of every trailer I saw that
       | looked intreasting, every movie i've had recommended etc, I can
       | find something on there to watch,
       | 
       | Want to get someone a gift? I've noted down anything they have
       | said or I have seen that is relevant, so i've got a list of stuff
       | to consider to go.
       | 
       | Black Friday? I've already got a list of things I am looking to
       | get sometime, so i can simply check if anything is on offer, etc
       | etc.
       | 
       | My main todo list has Inbox, todo, Doing, done. I capture
       | everything to the 'inbox' and then when i sought through it, it
       | either becomes an entry in the relevant list in the 'spark file'
       | or I figure out an action i can take on the idea and it becomes a
       | todo.
        
       | omarhaneef wrote:
       | There are three insights that David Allen had with GTD that I
       | appreciate:
       | 
       | - one inbox to absorb tasks you distribute later
       | 
       | - lists go into working contexts so you do them while in that
       | context
       | 
       | - short term and long term are different
       | 
       | The issue I have is that we also have different "recording"
       | contexts. These days I can use an app on my phone, a note in my
       | computer or a notepad in a meeting. I have multiple inboxes that
       | have to be routed.
       | 
       | In addition I think the relationship between project and tasks
       | needs to be fleshed out.
       | 
       | However I think those 3 insights persist across all good
       | productivity systems.
        
         | galoisscobi wrote:
         | I was reading every tool is a hammer by Adam Savage and he also
         | has a variant of short term and long term task lists. He
         | essentially keeps a mega checklist for each project which can
         | have infinite resolution and be as fine-grained as he needs it
         | to be. Then for his daily lists, he pulls in tasks from various
         | mega-lists. I thought it was a neat approach and it's been fun
         | to adopt it.
        
           | somehnguy wrote:
           | That's a really interesting way to solve the problem, and I
           | would like to try it. Do you happen to know if he mentioned
           | any software that operates in that way? I'm imagining many
           | lists, with a nearly frictionless way to say 'do this today',
           | and the task moves accordingly.
           | 
           | I've tried a handful of note taking apps with checklists, and
           | actual checklist apps over the years. The one thing they've
           | all had in common is that they're too cumbersome to really
           | integrate into my daily habits. I need something that lets me
           | add and adjust super quick to accelerate the actual task
           | getting done.
        
             | galoisscobi wrote:
             | Adam mentions in the book that his solution is fully
             | analog. He has notebooks with project lists and daily lists
             | and he manually re-writes tasks when he wants to copy them
             | over.
             | 
             | For myself, I think that's too cumbersome so I use vimwiki.
             | A sibling comment mentioned org mode and I think that would
             | be an excellent tool to implement this and imo, work better
             | than vimwiki.
        
             | nequo wrote:
             | > I'm imagining many lists, with a nearly frictionless way
             | to say 'do this today', and the task moves accordingly.
             | 
             | I think org-mode does this. You can schedule tasks and get
             | org-mode to compile an agenda for you.
        
               | koheripbal wrote:
               | The issue with this is that you have to pre-schedule
               | tasks across all lists, which means you need to go
               | through all the lists to schedule every item - often each
               | day.
               | 
               | The better way to do it is to set priorities on TODO
               | header items in org-mode. This is far from perfect
               | through because you're still manually setting priorities
               | across all projects - which is very flawed.
        
         | ellyagg wrote:
         | For a long time this was a stuck for me. I use Workflowy to
         | manage my projects.
         | 
         | Normally, I can trivially capture every note on either mobile
         | or laptop into the root of Workflowy and distribute later as
         | needed. This is already a pretty decent single inbox.
         | 
         | The one leak was capturing thoughts in contexts where typing is
         | not feasible. Ultimately, I landed on using Siri and just
         | jotting notes into Reminders on iPhone/Watch/Mac. When I'm out,
         | I capture notes this way, then at home run a script to transfer
         | the notes into Workflowy.
         | 
         | Here's a hype piece with the script[1]. The page also doubles
         | as an experimental art study of contrasting zero HTML styling
         | with exaggerated ad copy. Hopefully it's pretty dissonant.
         | 
         | 1. https://drivingwithworkflowy.com/
        
         | bitexploder wrote:
         | The biggest thing for me from GTD is building a system I can
         | trust. It goes in and I can forget about it until the right
         | time. Mind like water.
        
           | cbm-vic-20 wrote:
           | For me, GTD told me that if a task takes under two minutes,
           | just do it now.
        
             | jqgatsby wrote:
             | and that great acronym: OHIO
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | I was pretty much the opposite. Going back to Day Timers, I
           | basically don't do systems. But I found quite a few little
           | insights. Break big tasks into actionable steps, if you're
           | sure something will really just take 5 minutes don't put it
           | on a list do it, don't fill up your calendar with todos that
           | mostly won't be completed, etc.
        
             | bitexploder wrote:
             | It is more than just tasks for me. Ideas. Somedays. Etc.
             | not losing things is important with adult ADHD. There are
             | still only a few important tasks per day, but not losing
             | track of things like "call someone this evening" reduces
             | cognitive load for me.
        
               | ghaff wrote:
               | Oh. Definitely having lists even if it's for a project I
               | shouldn't forget about though it will hopefully solve
               | itself if I drag it out long enough. Essentially everyone
               | forgets about things that are some months hence if
               | they're not captured somehow.
        
         | ilteris wrote:
         | That's exactly my problem. After using all these apps I am
         | having hard time routing these into one app and my lists are
         | scattered across different apps. I wish there was a painless
         | and easy way to jolt and knowing it would end up in my master
         | Todo list. But instead I have to think which app list i should
         | be using...
        
           | galoisscobi wrote:
           | I've stuck with vimwiki + fuzzy finding for years and it's
           | worked without any issues. If you're into vim based tools,
           | and haven't tried it, I recommend checking it out.
        
             | anonymousDan wrote:
             | What about on mobile? I've been trying to switch to
             | obsidian because of that.
        
           | ajmurmann wrote:
           | I've been using Omnifocus for to track Todo items and Apple
           | Notes for taking notes. Both sync across all my devices. This
           | has been working really great. Before the pandemic I used
           | physical notebooks to take notes during meetings because it
           | made it obvious to others that I was paying attention to them
           | and valuing what they are saying rather than slacking with
           | someone else. That led to the integration problems you
           | describe and I needed to spend 15 minutes every day syncing
           | things. Arguably that also was a valuable review time that
           | sometimes led to new insights.
        
         | tunesmith wrote:
         | It's interesting to me that GTD has so many adherents - clearly
         | there is a wide cross-section of people for whom it works well.
         | I tried really hard for a while but ended up concluding I must
         | be a different category of person. I experienced the following
         | pain points:
         | 
         | - I got overwhelmed by what I was capturing
         | 
         | - Contexts weren't useful at all and only complicated the
         | system
         | 
         | - I had far too many tasks on my list that made me feel guilty
         | for never starting, no matter "when" I would schedule them
         | 
         | The sort of system that ended up helping me was an exhaustive
         | exercise that helped me determine my lifelong values, and how
         | they related to my priorities in terms of actions. Then I could
         | identify my tasks - not as "oh gosh, I should do that too"
         | impulses, but as actions that were actual logical implications
         | driven from my values. I discovered that the large majority of
         | my "guilt-driven" tasks were tasks that actually weren't
         | connected to my values, or could be replaced by other tasks
         | that were a better fit. And I almost never "capture" - I will
         | review my values, and reason from there.
         | 
         | Overall, that worked better for me because then I had a system
         | that gave me a built-in way to say no. From what I learned
         | about GTD at the time, GTD doesn't have that.
        
         | nunodonato wrote:
         | One inbox is not a hard rule. You need capture tools in many
         | different places (home/office/car are a few examples). You can
         | even use voice recorder (memos) or similar tools. Its important
         | to note that many updates have been made to recommendations as
         | we move forward in time and tech is more present in our day to
         | day, compared to when it was when the first edition of GTD came
         | about.
         | 
         | Contexts, yes, I just found out that I currently was not
         | benefiting from it. For me, nowadays, its more like "work mode"
         | and "not-work mode". And simple and short lists are working
         | efficiently enough. I don't know, maybe my life just got
         | simpler ;)
        
           | xiwenc wrote:
           | The apple reminder app(s) work surprisingly well for many
           | cases:
           | 
           | * macbook: at a desk or whenever/wherever it is accessible
           | 
           | * iphone: quick note pretty much anywhere like train ride
           | 
           | * apple watch: running, in the pool, during sauna session or
           | in the gym weightlifting
           | 
           | * siri: while driving car or riding bike
           | 
           | These all end into a single inbox.
           | 
           | Unfortunately this requires full buy-in into the apple eco-
           | system.
        
         | tomjen3 wrote:
         | GTD suggested as few inboxes as possible, and have them
         | reviewed regularly, not keep it to one inbox.
        
         | flakeoil wrote:
         | In the below article [1] is suggested to use your regular
         | calendar app on the phone and then later write it clean into
         | your desktop system, whatever you use.
         | 
         | I like to use one text file per big project and keep all
         | related notes and todo items in there. I also have one text
         | file specifically for meeting notes and its todo items. I also
         | keep random daily things in that file (one headline per day).
         | In case todo items from meetings belong to a specific project I
         | can move them to the project file, if not, I leave them in the
         | one big meeting/journal text file.
         | 
         | [1]: https://easyorgmode.com/blog/working-with-org-mode-on-
         | deskto...
        
         | wahnfrieden wrote:
         | The biggest improvement to my personal todo systems I've
         | experimented with was to quit working for a boss's vision / to
         | quit taking wage labor where the reward for getting things done
         | is more things to do toward ends that don't benefit me. Getting
         | value directly from the product of my labor and deciding for
         | myself who I want to work with and how is a great foundation
         | for any todo framework
        
         | marcosdumay wrote:
         | > The issue I have is that we also have different "recording"
         | contexts. These days I can use an app on my phone, a note in my
         | computer or a notepad in a meeting. I have multiple inboxes
         | that have to be routed.
         | 
         | That's the other large point of GTD that apparently you didn't
         | internalize. It's "don't do this". Centralize those contexts
         | into the same storage, if any of them are on paper, store the
         | papers around the computer where you sort things, if all are
         | digital, synchronize the files.
         | 
         | Unifying the inbox adds a lot of value.
        
       | nonoesp wrote:
       | I used Dropbox Paper heavily but ended up migrating all of my
       | documents to Notion.
        
       | tanin wrote:
       | My working memory file is just a giant txt file that is synced
       | using git to github. It's free and fast (because a text file
       | editor like Sublime is fast and can handle a very large text
       | file). You can also use it offline. The conflict is handled by
       | git, which is familiar to a programmer.
       | 
       | It also feels more permanent. I used to use other note taking
       | apps where the notes were thrown away after migrating to a new
       | app because it wasn't that convenient to transfer between apps.
       | Plain text can't go wrong in this matter.
       | 
       | I used Dropbox Paper and Google Docs before. Once you reach
       | certain size, it is very very slow.
       | 
       | The caveat with the text file is the lack of fuzzy searching
       | capability... but it's tolerable so far.
       | 
       | PS. I've built my own git sync: https://github.com/tanin47/git-
       | notes -- it is written in Go.
        
         | nunodonato wrote:
         | I think that if your memory file is too big, you are implement
         | the idea wrong. It is supposed to be a daily thing, not a
         | permanent memory.
        
           | tanin wrote:
           | I used to have multiple files, but that didn't work well
           | either. It's nicer to have everything in a single file where
           | you can scroll through quickly. But as mentioned the fuzzy
           | search isn't there though.
        
       | tnolet wrote:
       | I'm always fascinated by people obsessed by productivity and its
       | range of tools.
       | 
       | I consider myself pretty highly productive. Typical week had 8+
       | meetings, calls, follow ups, research, thinking time and
       | sometimes coding. Typical CTO and CPO stuff. I tend to get 90% of
       | important things done. If not more.
       | 
       | I'm fairly busy, but just use my inbox with search, Apple notes
       | and Apple reminders. Works fine for me.
       | 
       | Am I just missing out on something?
        
         | Delmania wrote:
         | No, it sounds like you have worked out a good process as
         | opposed to obsessing over tools.
         | 
         | To expand, when I teach people productivity, I keep it simple.
         | I am familiar with both GTD for tasks and BASB/PARA for
         | knowledge. Both approaches boil down in to having a central
         | location to put stuff, organizing stuff around based on how
         | immediate it is, and then having a regular review process to
         | trim excess.
         | 
         | It's very similar to scrum. Dump everything into the backlog,
         | organize it around what's going to be the most actionable, and
         | then periodically trim/refine it.
        
         | pydry wrote:
         | For the people who get a little bit too into it I think it's a
         | kind of a displaced attempt to bring some measure of control
         | over a life that feels out of control. It sates anxiety.
         | 
         | E.g. you cant control how your boss treats you but you can
         | control how you organize your tasks.
        
         | davidivadavid wrote:
         | Here's the productivity blackpill -- most "productivity"
         | improvement are dwarfed by immediate skill improvements. Want
         | to be a better _insert relevant profession_? Get good at
         | _skills relevant to profession_ , don't try to improve some
         | abstract "productivity" that's 10 steps removed from the actual
         | craft.
         | 
         | You're probably not missing out on much. You've hit the 80/20
         | long ago.
        
         | hobo_mark wrote:
         | I would be willing to take productivity porn seriously, if the
         | people obsessing over it were provably exceptionally productive
         | (like, I don't know, "here's how I learned multiple languages
         | and musical instruments while finishing a physics PhD as a
         | single parent" or whatever).
         | 
         | For example, even the creator of SuperMemo seems a fairly
         | average person and not the polymath/hyperpolyglot one might
         | have expected him to be (or at least I could not find any
         | indication of that).
         | 
         | Likewise, what has David Allen actually done beyond writing the
         | same book half a dozen times?
         | 
         | As far as I can see this stuff mostly exists to fill a need for
         | structure, but it does NOT make one exceptionally productive
         | (also accounting for the time that needs to be invested in the
         | tools and techniques themselves).
        
           | dpkirchner wrote:
           | I'm partly the opposite. A lot of life advise I see comes
           | from people at the top, meaning they have all the resources
           | they need and are looking for a way to maximize their time.
           | Their methods may not be applicable to randos like me, so I
           | tend to dismiss it.
           | 
           | Stories by people that were once at the middle rungs and made
           | it to the top through better organization would be a lot more
           | interesting and relatable.
        
           | jogjayr wrote:
           | "One researcher famous for his extensive use of
           | [Zettelkasten] was the German sociologist Niklas Luhmann
           | (1927-1998). Starting in 1952-1953, Luhmann built up a
           | Zettelkasten of some 90,000 index cards for his research, and
           | credited it for enabling his extraordinarily prolific writing
           | (including over 70 books and 400 scholarly articles)"
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettelkasten
        
             | hobo_mark wrote:
             | Then, we have had decades to observe whether this approach
             | (that I assume to be familiar to at least many in his field
             | by now) actually made sociologists more productive (at
             | whatever it is that sociologists do), or not.
        
             | kstrauser wrote:
             | I tried Zettelkasten, but I think it's a good solution to a
             | problem I don't have. I take notes to remember and find
             | information, not to publish it. ZK is more geared toward
             | sharing with others.
        
           | chke wrote:
           | Re SuperMemo: Well, there is his huge wiki[1] in which he
           | writes pretty long articles about a wide range of topics. So
           | I'd say he is very productive.
           | 
           | [1] https://supermemopedia.com/wiki/Main_Page
        
             | hobo_mark wrote:
             | I tried, I just wasted a few minutes clicking "Random Page"
             | and ALL results are about the supermemo software itself,
             | most are support emails republished as wiki pages.
        
             | stjohnswarts wrote:
             | like the other guy said "wide range of topics". If you
             | click random you just go to short article after short
             | article about the app?
        
         | bachmeier wrote:
         | > I'm fairly busy, but just use my inbox with search, Apple
         | notes and Apple reminders. Works fine for me.
         | 
         | That's the key. It works fine for you. It wouldn't come close
         | to working for me though. I've had to dedicate many hours
         | building a system that works for me.
         | 
         | That said, I've never been into productivity porn. I've spent
         | my time figuring out what wasn't working and how to fix it.
         | Reading about 'productivity' is an unproductive use of my time.
        
         | koonsolo wrote:
         | I have a job, a side business I'm trying to get profitable,
         | house, garden, 4 kids and wife. Stuff keeps pulling on me
         | constantly. Things need to get done in every aspect, and events
         | planned and done.
         | 
         | Without productivity tools, my life would be a stressful chaos.
        
         | mrelectric wrote:
         | Congratulations, you don't have ADD
        
           | Bakary wrote:
           | Sounds like a specialized productivity tool would be of
           | little help there, since no tasklist can withstand the
           | problem of just not being able to get started on a task. And
           | something like GTD is only going to be another burdensome and
           | anxiety-inducing task for someone with executive dysfunction.
           | 
           | A simple but constant reminder system (perhaps with a
           | smartwatch or phone) can be of more use.
        
             | 1123581321 wrote:
             | That is incorrect. Organizing information about commitments
             | and plans is an enormous help.
        
             | deepnet wrote:
             | Breaking task down into small single actions can be very
             | helpful for those with executive function disorders.
             | 
             | This is part of GTD.
        
               | ParetoOptimal wrote:
               | And then if you use a system malleable enough to reduce
               | starting effort to 0 across anything (project or task)
               | you do... you just about solve that problem
        
               | Apocryphon wrote:
               | How can a productivity system reduce the starting effort
               | of any task to zero? There's such a thing as activation
               | energy.
               | 
               | Sure, you can try breaking a task down to its smallest
               | component, but not all problems can chunk like that. And
               | even the smallest component will take non-zero work.
               | 
               | I would be curious to learn about a system that could
               | actually accomplish that.
        
               | deepnet wrote:
               | Bit by bit add all the links, phone numbers and
               | information to do the task to the todo, once it is all
               | right there then it becomes much more possible.
               | 
               | You are correct that many tasks cannot be made that
               | small, if they cannot be achieved then the task becomes
               | locate and ask for assistance.
        
               | ParetoOptimal wrote:
               | > How can a productivity system reduce the starting
               | effort of any task to zero? There's such a thing as
               | activation energy.
               | 
               | For my side projects and explorations I use org-roam,
               | Nix, and direnv.
               | 
               | So activation energy is:
               | 
               | - org-roam-find-file, type, "so me proj string", enter
               | 
               | - C-c C-n to go to heading
               | 
               | - C-c C-a f to open project directory attached to heading
               | 
               | - envrc-mode sets buffer local PATH values according to
               | flake.nix 100% reproducible environment
               | 
               | So tying this to my productivity system with org-mode and
               | org-agenda is either org links that can execute arbitrary
               | elisp like:                   elisp:(org-roam-find-file
               | "so me proj string")
               | 
               | Or more often these days emacs bookmarks which can be set
               | with C-x r m by default.
               | 
               | These combine to rule out the biggest factors preventing
               | from moving side projects forward:
               | 
               | - build issues or the chance of them that inevitably
               | arise with anything less than 100% reproducibility
               | 
               | - a way to talk about and organize each project and
               | ascribe meaning to groups of projects because each is an
               | org-roam node
               | 
               | - a radical assault on anything monotonous I feel the
               | computer should be doing for me or anything that annoys
               | me at all
               | 
               | - the freedom to wander aimlessly and make progress, yet
               | never lose a given starting place
        
             | joshuacc wrote:
             | This depends on exactly which executive functions are
             | impaired, which are not always the same even for those with
             | an ADHD diagnosis.
        
         | nunodonato wrote:
         | Depends :) Maybe you are awesome in managing all that in your
         | head (which would be an exception to the norm). Or maybe you
         | think you are handling at pretty well, not knowing how much
         | better you could handle it. I noticed you only referred to
         | work. GTD is a life-centric system, valuing personal stuff as
         | much as work stuff. Some people use all their brain powers to
         | manage all of that, and then have very little less to keep up
         | with the responsabilities/expectations that are part of a
         | healthy personal and family life. That, for me, its what always
         | made GTD stand apart from other systems.
        
           | tnolet wrote:
           | This is fair. I do use the same system for family and
           | personal stuff. Separate inbox and separate Apple Reminders
           | list.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | antris wrote:
         | > Am I just missing out on something?
         | 
         | Complex GTD systems are useful in unorganized workplaces where
         | things are left to individuals to solve.. It's a way of
         | juggling constantly changing priorities. So if you don't need
         | them, it's likely that your workplace organizes well.
        
           | Tarq0n wrote:
           | Or for people that simply don't have as good executive
           | skills, a trait that seems to be more variable than is
           | commonly accepted.
        
         | yellow_lead wrote:
         | No. How many successful people have credited their success to
         | some productivity technique? It doesn't matter, and worst case
         | it wastes time.
        
         | Bakary wrote:
         | It's not really about productivity. It's about creating a sense
         | of control over your life. The reason there is an industry
         | around this is because the need is never sated, and the
         | productivity methods are switched around like fad diets because
         | the underlying issue (anxiety and lack of satisfaction) is
         | never corrected.
         | 
         | This becomes obvious once it comes to your attention that the
         | people who are supposed to be experts in this, apply their
         | productivity towards selling more productivity. Which is
         | delightfully perverse.
         | 
         | In reality, if you are embarking in projects that are important
         | to you, you rarely need that many reminders and get by with the
         | simplest system (such as what you are describing) or none at
         | all. All trivial other tasks can fit in a single list. And the
         | things in your personal life that are actually meaningful, such
         | as fulfilling relationships, are not something you can
         | Zettlekasten your way into beyond setting a reminder for some
         | birthdays.
        
           | nunodonato wrote:
           | You either read, or should read, "four thousand weeks" ;)
        
             | jcpst wrote:
             | 4000 Weeks was a game-changer for me. I found the takeaways
             | liberating, and more in-line with my perspectives in
             | general.
             | 
             | My 'system' now is just focusing on one major goal outside
             | of the regular work/family stuff.
             | 
             | I use tools for quick capturing of ideas. I always keep a
             | pocketmod and a pen on me. Notebooks at home. Voice Memos
             | and Voiceliner for when ideas hit late at night.
             | 
             | Jonny Decimal synchronized with Dropbox. Org-mode for
             | digital notes. Organice for mobile access.
             | 
             | Nothing rigid though, process should not get in the way of
             | just living.
        
               | nunodonato wrote:
               | I'm 70% done with the book. Definitely a game-changer and
               | already one of my all-time favs. One of those books that
               | I need to buy and own a physical copy (I usually just
               | read ebooks)
        
               | jcpst wrote:
               | I gave it to a friend of mine, who also found it
               | profound, and now they have given it to someone else. I
               | probably will buy another copy.
        
         | Entinel wrote:
         | Being busy does not = being productive. That is not to say you
         | aren't productive, I don't know you. But it is easy to be
         | "busy" while not getting anything done at all.
        
           | tnolet wrote:
           | I certainly have those day / weeks as is normal in any
           | startup or work environment. But they tend to not be super
           | frequent.
        
       | tmshkr wrote:
       | You can do all of this in https://noteplan.co/
        
       | lawgimenez wrote:
       | I have been using GitHub's new project for my personal and family
       | use and I enjoyed it so much. The filtering is very good and
       | flexible. I used Things but it seems I prefer Kanban style.
        
         | eran- wrote:
         | What new project?
        
           | goplayoutside wrote:
           | GP may be referring to GitHub "Projects".
           | 
           | * https://docs.github.com/en/issues/planning-and-tracking-
           | with...
        
       | account-5 wrote:
       | Text files and a paper notebook (squared).
       | 
       | Text files are organised in yearly folders with a file per month.
       | Each file is basically an ini setup, each day a section with
       | either free text or boxed tasks: [ ] or [x]. If I need associated
       | files, dated folders.
       | 
       | Paper notebook is pretty much a bullet journal without the
       | flowery nonsense you see on Pinterest.
        
       | chazeon wrote:
       | The name "working memory" is neat. I have been trying to settle
       | on a specific working memory, right now i am on Craft. The woking
       | memory things can change from time to time, I just make sure
       | everything can eventually go to an online note, a Markdown based
       | online "notebook".
        
         | sumanthvepa wrote:
         | I think the term comes from Computer Architecture/Operating
         | System Design. Working memory in that context is defined as the
         | set of code and data pages that need to be in main memory for
         | the program to function without incurring page faults. As long
         | as the working memory of a program fits within available memory
         | the performance will be constrained for the most part by CPU
         | performance. If working memory set exceeds the size of
         | available memory the program will 'thrash', i.e. excessing disk
         | access that effectively stalls program execution.
        
         | chazeon wrote:
         | I found being able to start up quickly, compress link, are the
         | important features of the working memory.
        
       | galfarragem wrote:
       | The system I've been polishing[0] along the years is similar to
       | the one from this article. I believe that there is an ultimate
       | solution from where is hard to deviate.
       | 
       | [0] https://github.com/slowernews/hamster-system
        
       | muldoc wrote:
       | Ah, Cal Newport. Another BS self-help sales person.
        
         | emptyparadise wrote:
         | never trust anyone who writes notes on taking notes
        
           | ParetoOptimal wrote:
           | I agree that without use in practice outside of "notes on
           | notes" you are almost certainly improving the wrong things.
           | 
           | However without reflection that may include notes on notes,
           | you are doomed to the suboptimal or even counter-productive.
        
         | nunodonato wrote:
         | Curious about that opinion. I find your comment rather negative
         | and, slightly, toxic, but I'll bite. Care to share why you have
         | that opinion about him?
         | 
         | I've read three of his books, and although not all are "great",
         | there's always some interesting thoughts about what he shares.
         | I also like that he really gets people to develop a sense to
         | actually think and work deeply, and move away from shallow and
         | unsatisfactory busyness.
         | 
         | His newsletter and now his podcast are excellent ways for
         | people to ask questions and get suggestions and help for free.
         | 
         | He has a bit of a big ego, but I wouldn't use that to call him
         | "another BS self-help sales person".
        
           | Bakary wrote:
           | Cal Newport is probably one of the "best" salesmen in the
           | space because he has an actual non-meme job and seems to have
           | more good faith than most others. But at the end of the day,
           | his actionable material can be easily compressed into maybe
           | three blog posts. Even if he had good intentions at the
           | start, he still got caught up in the nonfiction sales logic.
           | 
           | Teaching productivity is not like teaching mathematics or
           | philosophy. There is a limited range of things to learn and
           | apply, and the core ideas are concise but difficult to put in
           | practice. A good teacher in that space would essentially be
           | able to impart their wisdom in maybe two hours, at which
           | point the success of the teaching would lie in the student
           | actually following what they were told. An ongoing
           | productivity podcast or book series flies in the face of
           | this. The mere act of commercializing productivity dooms the
           | entire edifice. If the student is still on episode #23, the
           | sales has succeeded but the teaching has failed.
        
             | nunodonato wrote:
             | I'm pretty sure he would be able to impart all his "wisdom"
             | in 2 hrs. But, like you said, it can be difficult to put in
             | practice. That's why a question and answer format is
             | helpful for many people. Sometimes its really hard to pick
             | up a seemingly easy idea and apply it to your own life.
             | Having help from someone who has seen it applied in many
             | different ways, and dealt with the usual problems, is
             | really helpful. That's what he does with his podcast. Not
             | really selling anything there, besides occasionally
             | mentioning his books where some concepts are expanded. I
             | honestly don't get the hate.
        
               | Apocryphon wrote:
               | I will never forgive Cal Newport nor HN for the hype
               | around _Deep Work_. What an ironically vacuous book
               | stuffed with filler anecdotes about modern day
               | blacksmiths and card deck memorization, completely in
               | contradiction to the very ethos of focused deep work. It
               | should've been a nice long blog article but he wanted to
               | write a NYT bestseller so I wasted time and money reading
               | it.
        
               | muldoc wrote:
               | Same. Bought his book "The Subtle Art of Not Giving a
               | Fck" and threw it away in disgust a few pages in. Good
               | thing is, now immediately anybody is referencing him I
               | know they are full of sht.
        
               | cromulentarian wrote:
               | Different author for that book: Mark Manson
        
               | nunodonato wrote:
               | That book is not by Cal Newport
        
               | ChildOfChaos wrote:
               | I'm not sure he gives a ....
        
               | Bakary wrote:
               | It makes more sense to see it as frustration about the
               | space that is then applied to individual authors. Hating
               | on Newport is rather pointless; it will not affect his
               | life or yield useful ideas. What's happening is that
               | people are growing tired of the whole
               | hustle/newsletter/productivity fetish/repackaged stoicism
               | atmosphere that permeates the internet, and are directing
               | their frustration poorly. There is something deeply
               | sterile about the throbbing mass of podcasts and blog
               | posts that revolve around these topics, but there rarely
               | is a precise target to focus on or even a useful way to
               | voice the accompanying frustration.
        
             | douglaswlance wrote:
             | How could it be possible to encapsulate the perfect
             | optimization of all possible processes in "a few blog
             | posts" or "a couple hours" ?
        
               | muldoc wrote:
               | It's not that complicated. Have you ever read something
               | from this guy or similar (eg James Clear, Ryan Holiday,
               | Peterson etc). If you do, it will become obvious quickly,
               | that all these people do is blow up every little bit of
               | information into it's own little chapter, and 10 more
               | chapters to sell it to you under a different name. Most
               | of the stuff they tell you are platitudes or rehashing of
               | what has been said before. Next thing, if they are really
               | good salesman, you will find them on Ted or Tom Bilyeu,
               | because they are so good at it, everybody wants to have a
               | piece of the pie.
        
               | Apocryphon wrote:
               | It's like self-help: in principle it's supposed to help
               | people and in practice if it does, that's great. But in
               | practice, the content is inevitably over-stuffed with
               | padding, which sorts of contradicts the very principle of
               | getting stuff done and not wasting time.
               | 
               | The productivity genre also never seems to provide
               | empirical data to back up their recommendations. Like it
               | would be great if these gurus actually conducted
               | experiments into the best notes-taking systems. Evaluate
               | them against each other with real results.
               | 
               | Oh, you say that every person's best system is going to
               | be different? Then maybe an innovation in this genre
               | should be helping readers figure out which system should
               | be best for the self, rather trying to prescribe one-size
               | fits all systems and merchandising it with bullet
               | journals and paid tools and the like.
        
             | smitec wrote:
             | To Cal's credit, he has somewhat done this. He has a
             | playlist on YouTube [1] which covers 90% of the lessons and
             | it's pretty short. There is a lot more material sure but
             | it's mainly focused on smoothing out that last 10% and can
             | easily be skipped.
             | 
             | [1]: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8xK8kBHHUX43VV
             | xO3b7s...
        
         | nojito wrote:
         | He's one of the few self-help promoters who actually still has
         | a real job and yet stays productive.
         | 
         | Everybody else has turned hocking productivity advice into
         | lucrative careers.
        
       | JestUM wrote:
       | I generally break down goals into tiny actions and try to combine
       | tiny actions to goals to see if there is any confusion.
       | 
       | Tasks -> Projects -> Streams -> Goals
       | 
       | I think in this format.
        
       | ryyr wrote:
       | my productivity system: not having a productivity system
        
       | cube2222 wrote:
       | My productivity "hack" for 2022 was discovering Sunsama[0] a few
       | weeks ago.
       | 
       | I was usually using a single text file from which I was removing
       | done items. The problem was that I then didn't remember all those
       | small things I did that added up to big amounts of time. The
       | feeling of time running away without remembering how is _really_
       | demotivating.
       | 
       | With this, I can see on a calendar view when I did what, it's
       | very low ceremony, and I can easily plan for the week ahead. It
       | also integrates with a ton of other tools.
       | 
       | I switched off all the included rituals to start with, so no
       | opinion about these.
       | 
       | It's a bit on the expensive side at 20$/mo, but if it saves me
       | just a little time every month, it's already paid for itself, so
       | yeah.
       | 
       | Overall, very recommended, happy user. And I'm definitely _not_
       | one of those  "maximize my daily productivity and optimize every
       | waking hour around it" folks. I've also tried many other todo
       | list / task board tools, but they don't really fit the "daily
       | planner" bill.
       | 
       | [0]: https://sunsama.com/
        
         | flakeoil wrote:
         | If you prefer continue using a text file for your todo/done
         | items, then I recommend Easyorg [1]. There you can see the
         | todos from the text file in a more organized agenda. There is
         | also a calendar view where you can scroll week by week to see
         | what you have done and see what's coming up. Kind of what you
         | explain. No need to remove the done items from the text file.
         | 
         | [1]: https://easyorgmode.com/
        
         | joegahona wrote:
         | There is almost no information about that product on the
         | website.
        
       | Archelaos wrote:
       | > Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add,
       | but when there is nothing else to take away.
       | 
       | > Antoine St. Exupery (author of the little prince)
       | 
       | "(author of the little prince)" could have been taken away.
        
         | nunodonato wrote:
         | :D
        
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