[HN Gopher] Andree's Arctic Balloon Expedition
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       Andree's Arctic Balloon Expedition
        
       Author : drdee
       Score  : 15 points
       Date   : 2022-09-14 19:53 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | tpmx wrote:
       | In Sweden this has long been portrayed as a foolish,
       | nationalistic enterprise by someone who should have known better,
       | sacrificing lives for no reason. (Combined with a bit of
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante)
       | 
       | I wonder if it wouldn't have been (previously) portrayed as
       | primarily courageous in the US, had it all taken place with
       | people from there?
       | 
       | ... related, while there is a lot of new excitement about human
       | spaceflight in the US now, almost every single piece of ~current
       | mainstream TV/film drama (with the notable exception The Orville)
       | focusing on space/scifi is dystopic and/or really negatively
       | focusing on the human/family costs of the main characters
       | (example: For All Mankind), to the point where it's getting a bit
       | silly.
        
         | thro388 wrote:
         | It depends on lens and perception.
         | 
         | Sweden in past and US today are gynocentric societies. They
         | take "women have always been the primary victims of war" quite
         | literally. No enterprise can be good, if it leaves widows and
         | orphans behind.
        
         | mongol wrote:
         | I wonder how recent the portrayal you describe is. The popular
         | view may have been influenced by Per Olof Sundman's book about
         | it from 1967, it was certainly of that opinion. But I wonder if
         | it was a widespread opinion also before then. I believe they
         | got state funerals when they were found.
        
           | tpmx wrote:
           | Fair point. A lot of these things changed in the late 1960s,
           | as new narratives were furiously being constructed.
        
       | amenghra wrote:
       | "the polar balloon Ornen (Eagle) was delivered directly to
       | Svalbard from its manufacturer in Paris without being tested"
       | 
       | I see some parallel with testing my code in production.
        
       | mongol wrote:
       | There was a movie made about it, with Max von Sydow as Andree. I
       | liked it a lot, quite realistic.
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       | https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084136/
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       | Also, a book about it, The Expedition, is fantastic.
       | 
       | https://www.amazon.com/Expedition-Bea-Uusma/dp/1781859639/re...
        
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