[HN Gopher] The dirty secret of mathematics: We make it up as we...
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The dirty secret of mathematics: We make it up as we go along
(2018)
Author : yamrzou
Score : 18 points
Date : 2022-09-14 05:25 UTC (1 days ago)
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| morpheos137 wrote:
| Mathematics may be made up in the sense of what we use for
| notation or symbology but the underlying relations are timeless
| and superuniversal.
|
| In any universe or species pi defined as the ratio of the path
| length traced by a set of coplanar points equidistant to a common
| point to the path traced by a set of points in a different plane
| intersecting exactly two points in the first path and the
| aforementioned common point will be the same as our pi.
| whycombinetor wrote:
| Is this still true in hyperbolic geometry, where the
| circumference of a circle of radius r is greater than 2.pi.r?
| ska wrote:
| I think you are oversimplifying in a way that eludes the point
| OP was trying to make.
|
| Or rather two points. First that the process of actually
| creating mathematics is messy and largely made up as it goes
| along. I can create a new mathematical structure that turns out
| to not be very useful, etc. Secondly that the way math is
| taught typically hides this, and creates a very linear
| "greatest hits" approach which is misleading.
|
| You are correct that one of the things that has come out of
| centuries of studying mathematics are clear definitions of
| abstract objects that almost _have_ to have been found; but the
| day-to-day isn 't that.
|
| On the other hand, how something is taught and how it is
| practised often aren't that close to each other. Part of the
| reason the pedagogy looks the way it does is to distill
| centuries of thought and argument into a few credit hours.
| robot_no_419 wrote:
| Math is presented in a way that's supposed to be organized,
| compact, and categorical. If we taught math the same way math was
| proven and discovered, it would be so slow and inefficient that
| we would still be covering linear algebra in post grad.
|
| As an analogy: The 1,000th person to climb Mt. Everest takes a
| well defined path that has already been mapped out as the most
| efficient path to the top. If every single person had to go
| through the treachery of finding the dead ends, cliffs, crevices,
| and death traps that the first few climbers endured, it would be
| a journey only a few could accomplish.
|
| Most people (computer scientists, engineers, chemists,
| physicists) using math only need to reach the top and see the
| view from the peak. The few climbers that are really dedicated to
| climbing (ie, the math researchers who reach the frontier of
| math) will naturally learn about the rest of the jagged, unmapped
| landscape as they climb harder and unconquered mountains.
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