[HN Gopher] Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus
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Apple Announces iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Plus
Author : clairity
Score : 114 points
Date : 2022-09-07 17:55 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.macrumors.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.macrumors.com)
| randomopining wrote:
| Hate how good these phones have gotten. Screen is so fluid and
| apps so fast. Easier to get addicted to reading hackernews and
| twitter and reddit and stuff.
| hiidrew wrote:
| I find it interesting that I'm personally much more excited by
| their OS updates than the new phones. I wish the excitement was
| equal.
| colinjoy wrote:
| When Tim Apple announced the iPhone X in 2017, they stated it
| would "set the tone for the next decade". To me, it feels like
| that still holds true and my bank account is happy for it :)
| jononomo wrote:
| Looks like a great time to buy an iPhone 13 mini, which just got
| a price cut.
| prof-dr-ir wrote:
| So I guess the most important question is whether the iPhone 13
| models will see a price drop soon?
| simlevesque wrote:
| They have, check out apple.com.
| berkut wrote:
| 13 minis have dropped by $50 in NZ.
| tinybear1 wrote:
| Price already dropped $100 on Apple's website.
| prof-dr-ir wrote:
| Thank you - I asked because their price did not drop in the
| EU.
| [deleted]
| fomine3 wrote:
| There's less advertisement about CPU core performance on A16 so I
| expect there's little (less than A14 to A15) improvement for
| that. It's completely fine for iPhone but not good sign for
| future M3 for Mac/iPad.
| keepquestioning wrote:
| No doubt M3 will be on a 1 Angstrom node.
| kemayo wrote:
| There was similar speculation last year when the A15 came
| out[1], because Apple didn't talk about performance (at all, I
| think?) in the iPhone 13 announcement. Then the A15 kept up
| their regular rate of improvement. So it's plausible the same
| will happen this year.
|
| Wouldn't surprise me if Apple currently feels that they're so
| widely perceived as being the performance winners that they
| don't need to hammer down on it. They had that one slide
| comparing their competition to the A13, after all.
|
| [1]: https://9to5mac.com/2021/10/05/a15-performance-gains/
| alexchantavy wrote:
| Have any major films been shot with an iPhone? The presentation
| seemed to market the camera to professionals.
| chrisbolt wrote:
| Steven Soderbergh has filmed two movies with iPhones:
| https://www.imdb.com/list/ls507530653/
| scrlk wrote:
| The SOS and location tracking via satellite is a pretty neat
| feature. Free for the first 2 years - no details on pricing after
| that.
| yreg wrote:
| And sadly North America only.
| alwillis wrote:
| For now. I'm sure it's on the roadmap everywhere it's
| allowed.
| yreg wrote:
| I wonder what will be the rollout order. I guess I would
| most like to have this in the countries that are usually
| the last to receive Apple feature support.
| Analemma_ wrote:
| It's not a pure software feature and seems like it needs
| tons of "boots on the ground" support in terms of
| cooperation from local emergency services. So I'm
| guessing it will be first/only in developed countries
| with high state capacity.
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| There's a handful of countries where you'll be arrested if
| caught with a satellite communications device so keeping it
| NA only is probably just as much apple trying to not present
| this as trying to force the feature on the world (yet)
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| Wow. I didn't know this. Makes (tragic) sense from a
| censorship perspective, obviously.
|
| https://blog.telestial.com/2017/11/countries-where-
| satellite...
| nabaraz wrote:
| I believe T-mobile and SpaceX is free for all Tmobile
| customers.
| dmitrygr wrote:
| Yup, same year as tesla FSD ships and can actually avoid
| small kids and stationary objects, I hear.
| mlindner wrote:
| Tesla does avoid small kids and stationary objects, which
| you can see with as simple as a search on youtube.
|
| Also SpaceX is not Tesla in the first place anyway.
| ehPReth wrote:
| Right after the Cybertruck :P
| fakethenews2022 wrote:
| You do know that over 100K people have the beta?
|
| If people want it now in the US, they can just sign up for
| the beta. I know several people who did that and got it. It
| isn't a high bar.
|
| In heavily tested locations (West Coast), it has gotten to
| the point that it seems to pretty much work.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| How do I sign up? Their website gives the impression it's
| not available until next year.
| runjake wrote:
| My guess is that they'll do this ongoing. So, you buy an iPhone
| 15 and you'll get 2 years complimentary, and so on.
| rdtwo wrote:
| Neat but the phone isn't super robust. I'd hate to have to rely
| on it in extreme emergencies. A dedicated tracker is better as
| it can survive in cold and other serious conditions. That being
| said you are more likely to have the phone on you which is a
| big deal
| kaba0 wrote:
| I don't know, modern phones have zero moving parts, are
| adequately water resistant so I don't see that. The most
| likely problem it might have is the battery, which doesn't
| happen overnight.
| DonaldPShimoda wrote:
| They definitely marketed it as a tool for situations when
| you're not expecting to need it. Like, they were pretty clear
| about how it would be slower and very limited compared to
| dedicated satellite telephony devices.
| sixstringtheory wrote:
| I've found it to be pretty robust. I've taken the same phone
| on winter climbs in interior Alaska and summer floats, one of
| which I had to unstick a raft from a rock while water poured
| over me for about 30 minutes while it was in a pocket in my
| PFD. It's held up just fine.
|
| The only thing is battery life. Especially in the cold, but
| that's not an Apple thing, that's an electronics thing. But
| you keep it in an internal pocket where body heat can keep it
| warm and turn off all the radios, or even the phone itself
| while not in use, and it can last a long time. I can now
| trade out my garmin inreach for a portable battery (which I
| already carry every trip yet never needed so far).
| grouchomarx wrote:
| For the three-odd backpacking trips I take a year, it's
| perfect.
| travisjungroth wrote:
| It's like the camera. The best emergency GPS tracker is the
| one you have with you.
| nharada wrote:
| Not to mention this is a nice backup for if I accidentally
| break my InReach or the battery fails or something.
| spuz wrote:
| I really hope they still allow you to use it even if you
| haven't paid the subscription. It's a tool for emergencies so
| by definition you need it only when you don't expect to need
| it. It would be a shame to lock people out from something that
| could have saved their life just because they haven't paid the
| $x.99 per year service. In theory they could always back-charge
| users who are not subscribed but even then that could
| discourage people from using it in a dangerous situation.
| bryceacc wrote:
| would be nice, but garmin inReach is very specific in their
| wording to make sure you know that if you don't have an
| active subscription, your SOS call will NOT work.
| Subscription is the standard now so doubt apple would do
| differently. I was genuinely surprised by the 2 years free
| though. Garmin inReach mini is a $350 device with 0 free
| function out of the box without the subscription
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| There are devices however that offer free satellite help
| signals. No data or anything, just press the button and it
| will send your coordinates to a (government funded)
| emergency dispatch who will automatically send rescue.
| spuz wrote:
| I think it's more justifiable to require a prepaid
| subscription for a dedicated safety device. The difference
| with a phone is that you're much more likely to have it on
| you even when you haven't paid for the satellite feature.
| On the other hand, if you haven't paid your Garmin
| subscription, you wouldn't take your beacon with you. The
| iPhone would be great for situations that you don't
| anticipate such as a breakdown. It seems cruel not to help
| people in those types of situations just because of a small
| fee.
| baron816 wrote:
| Yes. Charge $20 per use instead of a subscription. $50 or
| whatever they want. Just don't make people sign up for a
| subscription.
| travisjungroth wrote:
| I think the amount you'd have to charge to not have a
| massive decrease in revenue would make Apple look like
| monsters. Human brains really aren't good at valuing rare
| events.
|
| Here's a possible scenario. I'm sure it's wildly off from
| reality, but maybe reality has the same properties. Each
| month, 1 in 10,000 users call in [1]. For the same revenue
| you can charge:
|
| $1 per user per month
|
| $10,000 per use
|
| One of those, people will _hate_ you for. Charging $100 per
| use would slash your revenue by 99%. May as well make it
| free. I actually think that would be the way to go and
| maybe they 'll do it some day.
|
| [1] If that seems wildly low, remember it's per month and
| getting lost in the wilderness is pretty rare for the
| average person.
| smileybarry wrote:
| I get what you mean but I _really_ hope it doesn't make the
| Apple Pay chime in that case, heh.
| lpasselin wrote:
| Are they releasing a new iPad pro soon? Buyers guide says It's
| been 495 days.
| dis-sys wrote:
| Testing my program on a dual Xeon 8280 workstation when listening
| to the apple event, heard they mention that there are 16 billion
| transistors in A16 so checked how many transistors are in Xeon
| 8280 - 16 billion in total in two 8280 CPUs.
|
| (true, it is not an apple to apple comparison)
| HatchedLake721 wrote:
| It's weird, while Google struggles to make basic Emergency
| Services calling to work reliably[1], Apple keeps adding life
| saving features from detecting falls and car crashes to ability
| to call Emergency Services via satellite.
|
| Just shows you how companies are different in focus, quality
| control and attention to detail.
|
| [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32713375
| eugenekolo wrote:
| You don't even know for certainty that Apple doesn't have the
| same/similar problems in an unreleased device/OS....
|
| I'm not saying they do have those issues, but how do you know
| they don't? You can't compare a released product to a marketing
| ad.
| mirashii wrote:
| The issues mentioned are existing issues in Android devices
| today and for a few years that the iPhone has full parity
| with, so I think even if the new features are dropped the
| criticism stands.
| HatchedLake721 wrote:
| I'm talking in general, nothing to do with iPhone 14.
|
| Apple released fall detection in Apple Watch few years ago,
| there are already stories of lives it saved.
|
| I'm pretty sure if Apple had an outstanding software bug of
| not being able to call emergency services for over a year
| now, I'm pretty sure we (HN crowd) would know it by now.
| fomine3 wrote:
| iPhone had emergency call problem and took 3 months to fix,
| but not in the US
| https://atadistance.net/2021/10/29/japanese-government-
| lists...
| eugenekolo wrote:
| Android does have crash detection. I understand your claim
| as Apple values safety, whereas Google does not in their
| feature releases. But, that is not true. It is true that
| Google products are mostly garbage these days, so don't get
| me wrong there.
|
| Android/Pixel safety features:
| https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7055029?hl=en
| jollybean wrote:
| Are they life saving features or do they just appear to be
| such?
|
| I'm wary of the actual math on these things.
|
| I think it's an honest attempt either way, but aside from a few
| anecdotes of 'it working as intended' I really do wonder if the
| math works out on this stuff i.e. cost/benefit is really there.
|
| Without seeming too apathetic, if 2 or 3 people are able to
| make life saving calls due to this every year because they were
| 'out in the wilderness' ... then it may not be worth a massive
| global technical deployment. It might be more rational for
| people to buy/rent proper off-trail gear, or, for cars to have
| these things built in or something along those lines - where
| the cost efficiencies are much greater.
| micromacrofoot wrote:
| Google's still struggling with baseline hardware issues.
| least wrote:
| Google has never shown competency in building hardware.
|
| I _loved_ my Nexus 5 phone. It's still my favorite phone as
| far as aesthetics goes. It was a great value and much cheaper
| than comparable phones at the time. It bricked itself with a
| boot loop issue 2 weeks out of warranty. Google was nice
| enough to replace it with another one that promptly ended up
| boot looping as well.
|
| I also loved my Nexus 7 tablet. Beautiful device that was so
| far ahead of its time in terms of looks. It had an issue with
| absolutely terrible storage that made it so sluggish past its
| initial release (I believe the issue was the chip itself was
| degrading and it was a widespread issue). Updating to a
| higher version of Android made it completely unusable.
|
| I've not owned any, but I keep hearing about issues of
| reliability in both software and hardware with Pixel phones
| as well.
|
| My best phone for Android has been the Samsung Galaxy S6.
| Every iPhone i've had has been almost entirely problem-free.
| At this point, I don't see any reason to buy Google anything.
| jdeibele wrote:
| I completely agree with you. I tried updating my Nexus 5
| with CyanogenMod for a while. I was very impressed with how
| well CyanogenMod worked but eventually I wanted
| manufacturer support instead of having to put the OS on an
| SD card and try to boot from it so I could install the OS.
| And worrying that the one volunteer doing my phone would
| get tired of updating the OS.
|
| The Nexus 7 was a nice form factor for reading web pages
| because it was long and thin in portrait mode. The
| combination of hardware issues reported by other people and
| again lack of supported upgrades led me to eBay it.
| lozenge wrote:
| Apple tells carriers what to do, carriers tell Google what to
| do.
| shard wrote:
| FYI car crash detection had been available since Pixel 5.
| smileybarry wrote:
| Only in the US and some other countries. Still not available
| in Israel, even though we "use" the same cars.
|
| Doesn't look like Apple's feature is country-restricted.
| shard wrote:
| Yes, this highlights several points:
|
| 1. Different companies have different focus and strategies.
| I would say Google likes to experiment, but sometimes has
| poor follow-through. Apple often waits a few generations
| before committing to new technology, so they often are not
| innovation leaders, but they execute well.
|
| 2. Roll-outs often do not occur all at once. There might be
| blockers which are not immediately visible, such as
| regulational, financial, cultural. A regulational example
| would be how Apple Watch's ECG was not rolled out world-
| wide at first, and was spread slowly as various countries
| gave approval for this feature.
| bilal4hmed wrote:
| they even did a video of a success story where someones life
| was saved because of crash detection.
|
| https://9to5google.com/2021/02/23/pixel-car-crash-
| detection-...
| mrtksn wrote:
| It's funny, when I try to search for Pixel 5 crash detection
| Google tries to autocomplete it to Pixel 5 crash loop.
|
| The thing about Apple is, and has been since its inception,
| that makes devices that actually work in a way people can
| benefit from it instead of ticking items on checklists.
|
| Mind you, Apple makes bluetooth earphones that reached
| business since larger than some of the most sexy and famous
| businesses out there. These bluetooth earphones have just one
| feature that is outstanding: They work as expected, most of
| the time.
| FireBeyond wrote:
| > These bluetooth earphones have just one feature that is
| outstanding: They work as expected, most of the time.
|
| Better hope you don't listen to Apple Music in Lossless,
| though, because the newly announced Airpods... don't
| support it.
| tamrix wrote:
| Tone down the fanboyism.
|
| I'm sure people have found androids useful in a way they
| actually benefit from it.
| kushan2020 wrote:
| Asking people to pay for using satellite emergency services is
| capitalism at its best.
|
| Imagine dying in a forest because you didn't pay Tim Apple for
| the life saving satellite service.
| rcarr wrote:
| Get a degree in Aerodynamics and then successfully build and
| launch a rocket and satellite. Once you're done with those
| small potatoes, code an app so that everyone can connect to the
| satellite from their phone. Once that's done feel free to offer
| your lifesaving satellite service to the world for free, if of
| course after all the time, effort, and money you've invested
| you still think that nobody should pay you for your work.
|
| Like the only fair alternative here that I can see is that
| governments give tax breaks to Apple to compensate for the
| essential service that is provided for free. Of course, you'll
| then get a bunch of Android users moaning that they don't have
| access and demanding that it's open sourced.
|
| At the end of the day, someone, somewhere, has to pay for the
| monumental effort that goes into something like this.
| keepquestioning wrote:
| Imagine dying in a forest because you didn't pay your landlord
| for the life saving shelter.
| bjtitus wrote:
| You can buy a satellite beacon and pay no monthly fees but
| you'll be paying up front.
| sixstringtheory wrote:
| Which satellite beacon has free ongoing usage? I own a Garmin
| InReach and pay a monthly fee.
| mrep wrote:
| Emergency Locator Beacons:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_position-
| indicating_...
|
| I've got these 2:
|
| https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07V6CWS26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_
| b...
|
| https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01C6RCRIW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_
| b...
| least wrote:
| It's getting tiresome reading terrible takes from anti
| capitalists that not only attribute everything they view as
| negative as a product of capitalism, but also when those things
| are very obviously an improvement to the status quo.
|
| The alternatives are satellite phones, which on their own cost
| a lot of money and will realistically only be wielded by people
| who expect they might end up in an emergency situation rather
| than anyone who owns an iPhone. This expands the coverage for
| life saving communication vastly.
|
| We also don't know the payment mechanisms involved with this
| service other than they'll be covering the cost of it for the
| first two years of ownership. It seems _extremely_ unlikely
| that they'd simply refuse to connect people in actual
| emergencies. Much more likely is that there'd be a fee for its
| use collected after the fact.
| kushan2020 wrote:
| No matter how you put it, paying a subscription fees to a
| private company to access basic emergency services is
| unethical.
|
| There is a reason 911 works even if you donot have a SIM
| card.
|
| I am not asking Apple to do any better, but this a place
| where government needs to step in and form some regulations.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| > basic emergency services
|
| If it was a basic emergency service, it would probably be
| accessible without a brand new $800 or more phone.
| Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
| Still no USB-C port. Disappointing.
| chadlavi wrote:
| Rumor is it'll be in the 15.
| giantrobot wrote:
| Mechanically, I'd much rather have Lightning on a phone than
| USB-C. The USB-C connector fucking sucks for a device that
| plugs and unplugs multiple times a day. The device-side
| connector is more fragile since it's a thin center fin vs
| Lightning's edge connections. Lightning's device side
| connectors are backed by the body of the device itself. In my
| experience the retention mechanism is far more secure as well.
|
| I don't hate USB-C but it's far from perfect for every use
| case.
| function_seven wrote:
| Same. The Lightning connector does double duty as a holder
| for the phone. You can support the weight of the phone
| cantilevered from just that connector.
|
| I wouldn't trust USB-C to hold up to the same abuse I deal to
| my lightning connectors.
| postalrat wrote:
| Typically the ends of the cable has a steel part that goes
| into the slot. Torque applied to the cable would be limited
| by the steel end and not affect the inner electrical
| connection.
| rcarr wrote:
| EU Law stipulates it's got to be USB-C by Autumn 2024. Will be
| interesting to see if they implement it next year or hold off
| again.
| mikequinlan wrote:
| Won't Apple just provide a dongle or adapter?
| yreg wrote:
| I won't be surprised if Apple removes the port completely
| instead.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| Same, I think a magsafe only iPhone is very possible next
| year.
|
| MagSafe would need an update to support high bandwidth data
| transfer but that seems feasible.
| dis-sys wrote:
| do they require USB-C on every computer? just checked all my
| desktops, none of them have USB-C.
| rcarr wrote:
| According to this article, laptops will be following 40
| months later so end of 2027/start of 2028
|
| https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/06/07/eu-agrees-all-
| mobil...
| dymk wrote:
| I look forward to EU landfills receiving tonnes of Lightning
| cables. And 10 years from now, receiving more tonnes of USB-C
| cables once the next USB standard makes the current set of
| cables obsolete (even assuming they share the same port
| shape).
| bluetidepro wrote:
| For new or transferring Android users this would be amazing,
| but I have to say at this point I'm so deep into the Apple
| ecosystem that I'd be more mad if they switched to USB-C. Haha
| I realize the Band-Aid will most likely have to be ripped off
| at some point, but currently I still am fine with no USB-C.
| postalrat wrote:
| What are you replacing besides the cables?
|
| Worst case is you add another dongle to your collection.
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| It's really weird how folks talk about e-waste and
| environmental factors, as if a switch to USB-C wouldn't mean
| three trillion Lightning cables getting yeeted into the
| ocean... like, I personally am quite over Lightning, but come
| on, folks
|
| also deeply weird and annoying that the Magic Keyboard and
| Magic Mouse use lightning for charging, that was a dumb call
| out of the gate
| quixoticelixer- wrote:
| It's not like lightning cables have an infinite lifespan
| though. And they won't actually be sent into the ocean
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| double-check the little paper pamphlet that came with
| your iPhone, it literally says "please drive to the
| closest ocean -- Pacific if you're in Kansas -- and throw
| your lightning cable into the water when it reaches the
| end of its finite lifespan" in fine print.
| sylens wrote:
| The difference between the iPhone 13 and iPhone 14 seems to be
| nothing at all? If you were planning on getting a 14, just grab
| 13 on discount.
| soheil wrote:
| Two issues with Dynamic Island:
|
| 1. background is always black (since it's what the notch used to
| be) for things like FaceID the animation looks worse and more
| intrusive 2. it's interactive that means you're gonna be touching
| it a lot and getting smudge on the camera
| jcfrei wrote:
| What bugs me most about Pro vs non-Pro models is that they don't
| enable you to take macro shots on the non-Pro models. Even my old
| Samsung s8 could do those - yet on lots of newer phones (iphone
| and android) macro shots are for some reason not possible on the
| cheaper versions. I'm pretty sure that's not because it requires
| expensive camera features but because it serves as a way to
| segregate the market.
| tomduncalf wrote:
| The iPhone macro uses the ultra wide angle lens which has huge
| depth of field and can focus really close, so can get very
| close to objects. Without the ultra wide angle lens you can't
| take what most would define as macro photos.
|
| You can still take photos as close as the camera can focus
| otherwise on other models, I suspect your S8 is doing this but
| the macro mode locks it to minimum focal length. Macro mode (or
| anything focal) isn't something explicitly exposed in the iOS
| camera app so it would actually be weird to have it there - you
| take macro photos with the Pro by just moving the phone really
| close to something, there's no way to force it.
|
| You may like to check out the app Halide, which can force macro
| focus and will even do its best on non-Pro iPhones (but the
| results won't compare without a lens that can focus really
| close)
| canuckintime wrote:
| Dynamic Island looks neat (reminds me of webOS) BUT controls at
| the top of the screen still work poorly, especially on these
| bigger phones. I had a little hope when Apple introduced those
| controls in iOS 16 on the lower half of the lock screen but
| alas... I'm curious how it works in landscape orientation if at
| all. If there were a 'iPhone 14 Pro mini' that would be amazing
| CharlesW wrote:
| > _Dynamic Island looks neat (reminds me of webOS) BUT controls
| at the top of the screen still work poorly, especially on these
| bigger phones._
|
| I'd expect Reachability will allow for one-handed operation:
| https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/reachability-iph145eb...
| madeofpalk wrote:
| It doesn't seem like they're actually controls, but more status
| indicators? Doesn't look like it's supposed to be an area of
| high and frequent interaction.
| canuckintime wrote:
| There's music controls there. You may also touch the
| indicators to expand into bigger controls.
| Ancapistani wrote:
| Of course they announce it today - I finally upgraded my iPhone X
| to a 13 Pro Max over the weekend :)
| olliecornelia wrote:
| You have 14 days to return it.
| thisismyusrname wrote:
| 30 days after a new product announcement I believe as well
| Ancapistani wrote:
| Nah. My net cost is only $200, and I'll probably keep it for
| 3-5 years like I did my X. I really only wanted the larger,
| brighter screen and much better battery life.
| dymk wrote:
| IIRC you can ask for the difference in price, if you're in the
| return window. Or just return it.
| kasperni wrote:
| Apple releasing new iPhones in September is probably the
| world's worst kept secret.
| martinky24 wrote:
| It was pretty well understood that they were announcing a new
| iPhone today with a little bit of research! It's a well
| followed pattern at this point.
| kylehotchkiss wrote:
| The biggest thing you missed was the small discount on the 13
| that'll start going around today.
| Ancapistani wrote:
| Nope - that's the reason I bought when I did. I was aware
| that it was very likely that the 14 would be announced this
| week, I was only expressing my amusement.
|
| I upgraded through AT&T, who gave me a $700 trade-in on my
| iPhone X. I also snagged an additional discount on my new
| iPhone 13 Pro Max because I was OK with an unpopular color
| ("bamboo"), so my total cost ended up being around $200.
| lathiat wrote:
| Next time you plan to buy an Apple product, check the
| macrumours buyers guide which estimates where in the product
| lifecycle it is and whether it's a good time to buy it or not.
|
| https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
| zeckalpha wrote:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect
| esturk wrote:
| Does anyone else have the hardware issue where the iPhone can't
| output audio if it is tethered to the monitor (w/o speakers) via
| the lightning cable?
|
| AFAIK, the only app that works in this configuration is Facetime.
| For all other apps such as AppleTV, Apple Music, youtube, zoom,
| etc. the iPhone doesn't output audio at all.
|
| I hope this bug gets fixed in the new iPhones.
| HatchedLake721 wrote:
| Go to Control Centre, there's a button at the top right to
| select audio output device.
|
| https://support.switcherstudio.com/en/articles/5009024-check...
| esturk wrote:
| I know you can output the audio to 'other' devices, but I
| only want to output it from the iPhone or iPad. Strangely, in
| the link above, we can see there being an iPhone option but I
| don't see that as of the latest iOS. Is this feature in the
| unreleased iOS 16?
| bamboozled wrote:
| What are the benefits over iPhone 13 for people outside the US
| who can't use the satellite feature ? Think I'll just get a 13 on
| sale
| okyanusoz wrote:
| Crash detection, maybe?
| kushan2020 wrote:
| Check list for a car crash in 2022:
|
| - have the latest and greatest iPhone
|
| - crash only in apple approved countries, because apparently
| car crashes are specific to countries.
|
| - improve your crash experience by buying an Apple Watch
| ultra for better detection.
|
| -- pray to Tim Apple that the algorithm detects your crash.
| xattt wrote:
| 13 mini would sound like a bargain!
| rcarr wrote:
| Have they even dropped the price? They're PS649 for the base
| model in the UK but I'm not sure how much they were
| yesterday. I was expecting around PS100 off last year but
| apparently not.
| berkut wrote:
| In NZ, the 13 Mini (which I'm tempted to get this week,
| upgrading from a 6S) is reduced by $50.
|
| $1,449 -> $1,399 for the 256 GB model.
| rcarr wrote:
| I was thinking of getting a mini but this all feels a bit
| weak sauce, I might just wait until next year and squeeze
| the final year out of my 8 plus even though its battery
| life is absolutely dire.
| makeitdouble wrote:
| Wouldn't it be worth it to just change the battery ?
| mdasen wrote:
| The iPhone 13 mini was PS679 and the iPhone 13 was PS779
| and today it's PS649 and PS749. They've discounted it by
| PS30. That might seem small, but the pound has lost 17% of
| its value over the past year (relative to the dollar). Last
| year you would have paid (in dollars) $937 or $1,075 for
| the iPhone 13 mini or iPhone 13. Today, you're paying $746
| or $861 so they've discounted it by $191 or $214 (including
| the change in value of the pound) which is a pretty
| substantial discount.
|
| You can see this in the new pricing too. The iPhone 13 was
| PS779, but the iPhone 14 is PS849. That's an increase of
| PS70 (9%) in pounds, but a drop of $99 (9%) in dollars.
| Presumably, Apple is willing to eat a bit of exchange-rate
| fluctuations. Likewise, the iPhone 13 Pro was PS949, but
| the iPhone 14 Pro is PS1,099 - an increase of PS150 (16%),
| but a decrease of $46 (3%) in dollars.
|
| Before someone says "Apple is always overcharging UK
| customers - $1075 for an iPhone 13 compared to $800 in the
| US," it's important to note that different countries have
| very different regulations, fees, import tariffs, and
| taxes. I believe VAT in the UK is 20%.
|
| Yes, they have dropped the price. It doesn't seem like much
| of a drop because most of the price decrease is in the fact
| that the pound has lost so much value. It's PS100 cheaper
| than the iPhone 14 (which is what you were expecting), but
| it's only PS30 cheaper than the iPhone 13 was a day ago
| (presumably in large part due to the fact that the pound is
| worth so much less now than a year ago).
| rcarr wrote:
| This makes sense, great comment.
| kemayo wrote:
| Camera sensor specs got a significant bump if you're looking at
| the 14 Pro. The 13 is a 12MP sensor, the 14 Pro is a 48MP
| sensor.
|
| Comparing the base 13 and 14 the only real hardware difference
| is that the selfie camera picked up autofocus and has an
| aperture change. There's a very minor aperture change to the
| main camera lens, but I'm not sure whether it's significant.
|
| Again with the 14 Pro, the always on display is a definite
| change. Probably depends on your own usage patterns whether
| it'd actually make a practical difference for you.
|
| Apple's comparison tool is actually pretty useful for this
| stuff:
| https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone13,iph...
| rcarr wrote:
| The "action" camera mode (basically gimbal replacement) looked
| pretty good if you were a film maker/Youtuber. And "multiple
| eSims" might be useful if you're a traveller/digital nomad as
| you were previously limited to two. But yeah, other than that
| it did seem a bit sparse on new features this year. Hopefully
| next years will be a big one to make up for it?
| makeitdouble wrote:
| The "action" mode works by cropping in to negate the camera
| shake, so you're left with a smaller image than with a
| physical gimbal. Also it's post processing that's probably
| already available in you editing apps, so it's more about the
| convenience (and quality?) of having it done on the OS than
| something new.
| smileybarry wrote:
| I still haven't looked into it much but IIRC iPhone 12 &
| iPhone 13 could already save multiple eSIMs, while 13 could
| activate 2 at the same time. I think it was up to 8 (or 10)
| saved eSIMs?
| rcarr wrote:
| If this is true it may sway me to getting an iPhone 13, I
| want to do some travelling in the future so being able to
| have multiple e-sims saved would be beneficial. I thought
| that it seemed a bit odd that you could only have two of
| something that was completely digital but makes much more
| sense if it's only two active SIMs at once.
| smileybarry wrote:
| Yeah, after I wrote that comment I went looking for
| actual info on eSIM differences on iPhone 14, but there
| isn't really any. Support articles aren't up yet and the
| asterisk/note is just a basic eSIM disclaimer.
|
| I think that bit along with SIM slot removal is just a
| push towards eSIM.
| tgsovlerkhgsel wrote:
| Does it support more than two active ones, or was it
| previously limited to only be able to _store_ two in total?
| BonoboIO wrote:
| Don't forget about the car crash mode ... what a joke.
| [deleted]
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| The 14 has the higher binned A15 processor from the 13 Pro,
| which may mean that it has 6 gigs of RAM like the 13 pro rather
| than 4 gigs like the 13.
|
| Plus it comes in purple.
| mbrndtgn wrote:
| I would wait until it's actually confirmed that it has 6 GB
| of RAM. There is also an A15 in the iPad mini 6 which is
| based on the A15 in the 13 Pro, but with only 4 GB RAM. If
| this is the case a discounted 13 Pro could actually be the
| better option (also because of the 120 Hz screen).
| drexlspivey wrote:
| Wow do these really ship with last year's A15 chip? Why would you
| buy them over iPhone 13?
| ProAm wrote:
| Conveniently you can't get a 13 Pro anymore on their website.
| Synaesthesia wrote:
| A15 is actually pretty insane, it's the same core as M2, it's
| pretty fast. GPU is amazing too, as is the ISP and everything
| else.
| kaba0 wrote:
| And that graph of an A11 A16 and "competing CPUs" is still
| true (showing A11 lightly ahead of the competition, while A16
| being like 15% better than it) - apple is ridiculously ahead
| of the pack in CPU design.
| mabedan wrote:
| You wouldn't. It's mostly for people who own older iPhones.
| Other than the pro models, it's a minor update.
| dymk wrote:
| I think I'll be upgrading my XS to the 14 Pro. My only gripe
| is how big the phone is. XS is 5.8" / 177 grams, the 14 Pro
| is 6.1" / 206 grams.
|
| I really wish they kept on offering a Mini. Maybe I'll just
| go for a 13 mini, but the camera does look substantially
| improved, and satellite communication would be very nice to
| have (I do lots of hiking away from cell reception).
| nerbert wrote:
| Incremental changes. Several minor updates makes a big
| update. That's why most people don't buy two generations
| successively.
| svnt wrote:
| If you want to be at the leading edge you buy the 14 Pro which
| has the A16.
| AnonHP wrote:
| These have much better cameras, crash detection and some more
| improvements over iPhone 13 Pro (the chip is from the 13 Pro,
| not from the 13).
| colinmhayes wrote:
| > These have much better cameras
|
| They say that literally every year and I never notice.
| heartbreak wrote:
| If I recall correctly we are in the midst of a chip shortage.
| [deleted]
| berkut wrote:
| 1 extra GPU core, but otherwise, yes.
| Invictus0 wrote:
| Soon they will rename it to the iCamera, which also happens to
| make calls.
| belligeront wrote:
| People who travel frequently, does the lack of physical SIM card
| concern you? I'm not sure how widespread eSIMs across countries.
| SloopJon wrote:
| Although Google Fi claims to support eSIM, the front-line
| support was unable to help me connect an iPhone 13 Pro, and the
| back-line support never responded. The solution was to buy a
| physical SIM card.
|
| Perhaps Google is uniquely incompetent, but I would be very
| wary about assuming that an eSIM-only phone will work with a
| given provider.
| chazeon wrote:
| I remembered a while ago you meed to first get an physical
| SIM to activate the line then switch to eSIM. Now sure about
| now. I'm currently with Google Fi on an eSIM in my 12 mini.
| ochoseis wrote:
| I just set up my iPhone with a Fi eSIM without having to
| get a physical SIM first. There are oblique references on
| how to do it at checkout that involve backing out of the
| default flow and then choosing your iPhone model from a
| compatibility list. It was quite the maze.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| If I remember my experience correctly, you can only set
| up an iPhone with esim first if you are a new Fi member.
|
| Existing members, even those using esim on Android
| phones, have to get a physical sim first.
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| This is correct.
|
| Obviously this will have to change at some point since
| physical sim is going away but I am unsure how long it will
| take Google to make the change.
|
| Technically, iOS support on Fi is still in beta even though
| it works quite well.
| chadlavi wrote:
| My carrier/plan has service anywhere I go, so I'm not
| particularly concerned about it. I'm using my US sim card in
| Europe right now to post this comment.
| dougmwne wrote:
| Roaming is fine for short trips, but you are typically pretty
| badly de-prioritized and your connection is usually routed
| through US servers giving you a bad ping. Eventually the
| carrier is going to boot you off if you stay too long.
|
| Grabbing a local sim card is a must for me since I rely on
| the data plan for work. It also tends to be much cheaper to
| get 20 or 30 gigs of 5g data. eSim is making this much more
| convenient to pick up a secondary plan, but sometimes your
| best option is a SIM card.
| seaghost wrote:
| You can add as many eSim profiles as you like and switch
| between them.
| heliophobicdude wrote:
| I can report that I've used Nomad in France this year and it
| worked flawlessly. It advertised 100+ counties for that single
| app. I would give it a try on a compatible phone.
| dougmwne wrote:
| Yup, it means I will absolutely not buy this phone. eSIM
| support is getting better, but if you switch countries with any
| regularity, you absolutely need a physical SIM card. Currently
| running a dual eSIM and SIM on my iPhone.
| ks2048 wrote:
| This seems like a deal breaker for me. Although maybe with this
| announcement, carriers will quickly adapt eSim. Apple has a
| page of supported carriers (and missing the country I've been
| living, Guatemala)
|
| https://support.apple.com/kb/HT209096
| officialchicken wrote:
| Yes, absolutely a deal breaker... but I carry two phones b/c I
| do not trust Verizon after being disconnected overseas. Their
| international plan requires you to re-connect to a US-based
| cell tower in order to "reactivate" the international plan if
| it has been disconnected. I am not aware of any service that
| allows me to buy an e-sim for any given random country airport
| and activate it before I reach the exit.
|
| edit: forgot to add ... if you change countries or have to make
| an additional unplanned hop, VZ does not work in that scenario
| either.
| sithadmin wrote:
| Airalo works great for the 'load an esim while in the
| airport' use case. US Mobile has a similar offering but I
| haven't tried it out yet.
| mrbombastic wrote:
| I used Airalo recently in Argentina and can't say I'd
| recommend it, it somehow broke my iMessage until I reset a
| bunch of settings and seemingly got throttled at random
| despite having a ton of data left. Which is a shame because
| topping up data that way is much easier than switching out
| a physical sim. I also don't know if it was an esim problem
| or an Airalo problem, maybe support will be better when it
| is only esims.
| philsnow wrote:
| > connect to a US-based cell tower in order to "reactivate"
| the international plan if it has been disconnected
|
| > if you change countries or have to make an additional
| unplanned hop, VZ does not work in that scenario either
|
| Just so I understand you, Verizon has an international plan
| where you have to touch base back in the States every time
| you go to some other country, before it will work in the next
| country? I must have misunderstood what you were saying.
| officialchicken wrote:
| No misunderstanding... been affected twice with EU trips
| that included hops to MENA. And if you are somehow
| disconnected (due to an error on their end, which are quite
| frequent) it can not re-establish functionality without
| accessing a US-based cell tower. After the second or third
| time it happened, I just started carrying a second phone to
| put in a local SIM. I ended up saving a ton of money in
| data charges too.
| sockaddr wrote:
| It's even dumber than that! It used to "just work" when
| you landed in another country and tried to pull a single
| byte of data. But now you're required to call VZ and
| inform them of your trip beforehand. To make matters
| worse, not all of their reps know this and will tell you
| that isn't the case and leave you stranded with no
| coverage. I'm generally happy with VZ over the years but
| this is just pathetic.
|
| A rep once explained this to me as "innovation". Cool.
| smileybarry wrote:
| A bunch of carriers around the world have either "up to X
| roaming days in a year" or "up to X roaming days at a time"
| for the included roaming plan. I guess it's to reset that.
| bluetidepro wrote:
| Traveled to Central America, North America, UK, and various
| parts of EU, and I've never had any problems at all getting an
| eSIM sorted out. When I do upgrade to this new iPhone 14 Pro I
| will likely still bring my old iPhone 12 Pro that does have a
| physical sim slot JUST IN CASE, but in the past I've had no
| troubles with eSIMs. I think this is a non-issue from what I've
| seen, assuming it's not too remote of an area you are traveling
| to.
| sairahul82 wrote:
| (added ref) True, this is problematic when you travel. May be
| they support multiple eSIMs. I have not found any one talking
| about it.
|
| They are supporting dual eSIMs.
| https://www.apple.com/iphone-14-pro/specs/
| malyk wrote:
| I'm in the USA and on AT&T and use their "$10 a day
| international plans" when I travel. It's a little expensive,
| but it just works. My wife and I were in canada recently during
| the Rogers network issues and I called up AT&T support and then
| enabled an option to select the carrier for both our phones.
| Two reboots and we were back on a known good network. We've
| traveled to Italy, Serbia, France, Spain, Hungary and haven't
| run into issues with this setup.
| wil421 wrote:
| I can confirm the same with AT&T. Used it on several trips in
| Italy, Serbia, and Germany. Really easy to use and I didn't
| notice any slowness or apparent deprioritization from being a
| US carrier.
| SOLAR_FIELDS wrote:
| This plan is only available to AT$T postpaid customers.
| Prepaid customers are SOL.
|
| I use Google Fi when I roam abroad now for the most part,
| especially in South America where getting and activating
| local SIM cards is often especially difficult.
| ks2048 wrote:
| That works, but consider local SIM card coverage in many
| places can be less than $0.50 per day - a big difference for
| long or frequent trips.
| SOLAR_FIELDS wrote:
| Sometimes getting a local SIM is at best a hassle (Ecuador)
| and at worst basically impossible to do legally (Peru). In
| other countries, however (such as many EU countries) it can
| be quite easy.
| shp0ngle wrote:
| yes
|
| Sure you can often get esims "sorted out", but... why? What's
| the upside? Having the physical one "just works", and you can
| swap them or put them to different phone or whatever. No need
| to "download app" or do some registration dance.
|
| Seems like just another vendor lock-in?
| chazeon wrote:
| I would wonder what would be the effect of eSIM only on MVNOs
| in the US. Three major carriers have good eSIM support but the
| adoption among MVNO is low. And prepaid plan from Verizon
| doesn't support eSIM either.
| davb wrote:
| Yes. Even for domestic travel. I'm travelling to a remote
| island in my country for a short holiday. My network doesn't
| have coverage there (only one of the "big four" has decent
| coverage) so I've picked up a prepay SIM to use for a few days.
| No networks in the UK support prepay SIMs (other than some
| quite dubious international roaming MVNOs).
|
| International travel usually involves stopping by a kiosk or
| store at the airport to pick up a SIM. They're absolutely
| universal.
| madeofpalk wrote:
| Only US-sold models will not have a physical sim slot. Sounds
| like everyone else gets a sim card.
| loxs wrote:
| What? So the iPhone is unusable in countries that have no esims
| offered? Or will this force operators in such countries to
| start offering esims?
| wilsonnb3 wrote:
| Only the US models have no SIM slot but yes, US iPhones will
| not be usable without an esim.
| dougmwne wrote:
| There are so many small carriers out there that resell data
| from partner networks. Often one of these MVNOs can be the
| best deal to pick up a few dozen gigs of local data that
| support hotspot. Many may not even have an app, stores or
| much customer support infrastructure. They sell these in
| kiosks and cigarette shops all over the world. THese carriers
| will not be supporting a sim-less phone any time soon and it
| hurts any frequent traveler to lose access to them.
| smcleod wrote:
| Not for me no, I welcomed eSIM and not having to swap physical
| SIMs has made travelling around the pacific a little easier.
| gambiting wrote:
| Yep. That's absolute 100% nonsense. Whenever I travel to Canada
| for work I just order a t-mobile(or other) sim online before
| flying out, pop it in on arrival = decent internet in Canada.
| What am I supposed to do with an eSim? Literally no one will
| sell you an eSim contract for just few days.
| zamadatix wrote:
| MVNOs are already offering international cross carrier
| roaming built into their plans for eSIM users
| https://www.usmobile.com/international-roaming-phone-plans
| mmahemoff wrote:
| I predict it will get easier following this announcement.
| Also there are services like Airalo with travel eSims for
| most countries in a single account and app.
| cromka wrote:
| It's pretty common for European carriers to offer pay as you
| go plans via eSIM and an app. Pay with your card and can add
| it to your phone ahead of your trip.
|
| So no, not "literally no one". Things are changing, eSIM is
| increasingly common. Apple's being Apple and just propels
| that change.
| gigel82 wrote:
| Yup, smaller carriers in Europe don't offer eSIM for their
| prepay options, which are super useful (a couple of bucks to
| get a ton of data with EU roaming as well).
| pcdoodle wrote:
| Not even traveling, how about your phone dies as they often do?
| In that scenario I grab whatever old phone is around, pop in my
| SIM and I get through the day without calling or visiting some
| retail store. I want less interaction and SIM cards let me have
| that.
| pashky wrote:
| Looks like UK (any non-US perhaps?) model still has it.
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| EDIT:
|
| Thanks for the replies, I see now that they're talking about
| pixel binning.
|
| But doesn't the iPhone 13 sensor also have sensor "sub-pixels"
| that it's grouping into effective pixels to get a 12 MP camera?
|
| i.e. does the iPhone 14 do something different with the data
| coming from the sensor, or is the sensor different (for example,
| it allows some sub-pixel control that the iPhone 13 sensor does
| not)? Apple says the sensor (area I suppose) is 65% larger, but
| that's not enough to account for this 4x'ing.
|
| Thanks!
|
| ---
|
| I might be totally wrong, but could the 48 MP not be... real
| megapixels of any one camera or sensor, but a software fusion of
| the 3 cameras' sensors? Is that possible?
|
| There's language on the iPhone page that makes me think this --
| "So the new sensor groups four pixels together into one large
| quad pixel, gathering 4x more light and producing spectacularly
| better photos at the practical 12MP size"
|
| What does "at the practical 12MP size" mean? Which "four pixels"?
| Where are the pixels captured/coming from?
|
| There's also "For the ultimate combination of detail and
| flexibility, shoot in ProRAW at 48MP resolution. A new machine
| learning model delivers sharper images and less noise for
| unprecedented detail."
|
| How much is the 48 MP a mix of sensor fusion (which could be
| purely software, or running on a chip, but still, post-sensor)
| and AI versus an actual 48 MP sensor?
|
| ---
|
| I have similar feelings about the crash detection (accelerometer-
| based) and even the satellite (5G-based?) capability. Are these
| features just... rebranded existing things // new software
| features?
| LegitShady wrote:
| google "pixel binning". It improves signal:noise ratio.
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| Thanks, that makes sense. I did remember that sensors have
| "sub-pixels" that are grouped, and that you can access the
| sub-pixel to get "4 times" more pixels.
|
| But... what's the difference between the iPhone 14 and 13
| then? The iPhone 13 presumably also has a Bayer sub-pixel
| arrangement on its sensor?
|
| What difference/innovation is happening with the iPhone 14
| sensor? That the sub-pixel data can be processed, where in
| the case of the iPhone 13 it was inaccessible? Thanks!
| zamadatix wrote:
| Pixel binning isn't about having 4 subpixels per pixel it's
| about multiplying the number of supixels per pixel by 4. On
| a typical Bayer arrangement with 4:1 binning that means 4
| red, 4 blue, and 8 green subpixels per pixel (total of 16)
| instead of 4 pixels each with 1 red, 1 blue, and 2 green
| subpixels.
|
| I've never really seen a good explanation for why this is
| anything special vs just making the image smaller post
| capture in a non-naive way (like when they are already
| running it through the AI offload engine) considering all
| the hype it gets.
| LegitShady wrote:
| > Thanks, that makes sense. I did remember that sensors
| have "sub-pixels" that are grouped, and that you can access
| the sub-pixel to get "4 times" more pixels.
|
| It's sort of backwards. You can get access to sub pixels to
| get '4 times' more data, but pixel binning is actually the
| other direction -> grouping pixels together.
|
| A lot of camera performance is related to photosite size -
| larger photosites for light to hit, better performance/more
| sensitivity. The problem is that if you have a camera
| sensor in a DSLR, you have room for big pixels, but when
| you have the small sensors in phones you don't have the
| room for large pixels and giant MP count for marketing.
|
| So pixel binning treats groups of pixels like one large
| pixel to try and improve sensor performance while still
| maintaining large megapixel counts for marketing.
|
| In terms of innovation we haven't heard anything. There are
| already smartphones with pixel binning on the market. This
| is apple just saying Us Too unless they've released
| information on a new unique binning technique I haven't
| seen.
| quixoticelixer- wrote:
| They are actual pixels all from one sensor. They are put into
| groups of 4 to get 12 effective megapixels.
| quixoticelixer- wrote:
| https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17563/36082843_575px.jpg
| gregsadetsky wrote:
| Right, that's a Bayer arrangement. But... previous (iPhone
| 13) sensors also presumably have a similar Bayer
| arrangements and also group the sensor's pixels (which we
| could call "sub-pixels") into "effective pixels", right?
|
| So what's different here? Are there truly 4 times more sub-
| pixels? Or is this a new algorithm to interpret the sub-
| pixels data...? But the sensor is the same as the previous
| generation?
| seaghost wrote:
| In Europe, iPhone 14 Pro base model costs whopping EUR 1329
| Synaesthesia wrote:
| Apple's pricing in some markets is just crazy, (basically most
| non US Markets)
| zinckiwi wrote:
| While this does seem a bit high, it's worth bearing in mind
| two things. One, most other places price sales tax into the
| advertised total, which doesn't happen in the US. For UK
| prices, that's 20% right there. Two, to prevent constantly
| floating prices, they need to fix a price at a decent hedge
| against currency fluctuations. This should be all the more
| understandable given the recent volatility in forex rates.
| Youden wrote:
| That depends on where precisely in Europe you are. In
| Switzerland it's CHF 1179 (1205 EUR).
| okyanusoz wrote:
| I didn't expect the Apple Watch Ultra to be named like that.
| nickhalfasleep wrote:
| Apple Watch Ultra Pro Max next...
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