[HN Gopher] Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra
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Apple Introduces Apple Watch Ultra
Author : mikece
Score : 83 points
Date : 2022-09-07 17:49 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| kosyblysk666 wrote:
| alberth wrote:
| People are getting hung up on battery life.
|
| You have to realize Apple is creating the equivalent of the
| luxury Mercedes G-Wagon for off-roading, when in reality a Jeep
| Rubicon (Garmin) addresses all of your _real_ needs at 1 /3 the
| price.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| The problem with Garmin is that they obsessively
| fragment/segment/differentiate their market/products.
|
| It's infuriating that such an expensive watch will be unable to
| do some basic feature because they want to sell a "golf"
| version of the watch or a "sailing" version and so on.
|
| They'll also release some feature that clearly is possible to
| implement on even current products elsewhere in the lineup -
| and isn't even really implemented on the watch _at all_ but
| just some processing done on their cloud. But you don 't get
| the feature, even if you bought a current model elsewhere in
| the lineup, because only the new watches get it.
|
| With increased competition, supply chain issues, and consumer
| spending tightening it's been amusing to see Garmin suddenly
| drop much of that; the Vivoactive 4 and Forerunner 255 are
| absent most of their typical segmentation crap. The Forerunner
| 255 is a running watch that supports cycling power meters, for
| example, which had been a feature that had been limited to
| their _absurdly_ expensive, huge, gaudy-looking "Fenix"
| watches.
| aeharding wrote:
| Is the Apple watch air integrated (for scuba)?
|
| Edit: Nope... found on https://www.oceanicworldwide.com/faqs/
|
| Q: I have a wireless transmitter, can I connect it with the
| Oceanic+ app?
|
| A: At the moment this option is not currently available.
| [deleted]
| alphakilo wrote:
| This would definitely be a game changer. I have a Garmin Fenix
| and the only thing it locks is the ability to use it for diving
| to 40m. Although Garmin has a similar watch for diving it locks
| the features I would use for Backcountry camping. If I can
| switch to an Apple Watch Over a sunnto or similar it would be a
| big boon
| nradov wrote:
| Which backcountry camping features does the Garmin Descent
| Mk2 series lack? It does basically everything a Fenix 6X can
| do.
| evgen wrote:
| No, nor are there any generic air integrated Bluetooth units
| available at the moment but I expect that to change quickly. A
| smart play for Apple as the cost of a low-end rec dive computer
| makes this almost a no-brainer for anyone already in the Apple
| ecosystem and adding an air integrated unit makes it an easy
| sell in that market.
| maratc wrote:
| Bluetooth doesn't work underwater as far as I know.
| wizofaus wrote:
| Apparently it does but because of the frequency used the
| signal gets so attenuated that the range is more like 10cm
| maximum. And both devices would need to be completely
| submerged.
| AdamJacobMuller wrote:
| Unlikely they can use bluetooth as the communications methods
| between the AI pod and the watch are custom and bespoke due
| to needing to work underwater and be super reliable.
| evgen wrote:
| Too bad that this is not a good option. Maybe someone will
| put a WiFi AP into an air integrated unit to enable
| connectivity :)
| nradov wrote:
| WiFi doesn't work underwater, the signals don't propagate
| far enough. Most tank pressure transmitters use a
| different radio frequency band which does penetrate
| water. The Garmin devices use an audio signal instead.
| tsfenwick wrote:
| I imagine if it was they would have said so with how much of
| these product launches are buzzword heavy. I imagine their next
| version would have air integration support.
| maratc wrote:
| If your question is about the decompression algorithm, then air
| is a minimum requirement, although I'd imagine it having Nitrox
| mixes too (these are just different inputs to the same
| algorithm).
|
| If it's about reading the tank pressure, then most probably the
| answer is no.
| AdamJacobMuller wrote:
| I can't find anything saying it is and I somewhat doubt it
| because of that. I think if it did they would mention it.
| Oddly, I can't find anything from Huish or Suunto announcing
| this....
|
| In any event, this isn't replacing my teric but I wouldn't mind
| diving with a backup.
| Noumenon72 wrote:
| "Your watch will help you find your way back to where you
| started" (Backtrack) is a neat sounding feature. I'll never be
| lost, because I just dropped a compass point.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| It's a standard feature on handheld GPS units dating back to
| the late 90's, both waypoint and breadcrumbs - and also a
| commonly available feature on Garmin and other non-Apple
| devices going back quite a number of years.
| pcj-github wrote:
| They used the word "extreme" 15 times, sigh. I didn't realize
| wakeboarding was an "extreme" water sport. TIL.
| isitmadeofglass wrote:
| Sigh, Yes, wakeboarding is an extreme sport. Just because you
| personally might feel that it's "not extreme enough" doesn't
| change that fact. The category of extreme sports is about risks
| of serious injury or death, not about how "Rad" people perceive
| them to be.
|
| > Contusions, abrasions, strains, sprains, low back pain and
| rib fractures are common injuries experienced in wakeboarding.
| TobyTheDog123 wrote:
| Found the wakeboarder
| 88840-8855 wrote:
| How many people will ever use any of those features? 0.01% of the
| watch owners?
|
| Fail.
| onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
| It's not about using the futures - it's about imagining a life
| in which you use those features.
| highwaylights wrote:
| onlyrealcuzzo gets it.
|
| The pitch is basically:
|
| Buy Apple products. You might not be a pro photographer, but
| you could be an Instagram legend. You _will_ be an Instagram
| legend. Think of the likes. THINK OF THE FAME. How could it
| not happen with a device of this quality? Look at the photos.
| Look how gorgeous they are!
|
| Just drop $10k on an Apple load-out and don't think too much
| about it. It's not like it matters. You'll make it back in no
| time, superstar. You're not like the rest of these norms.
| You're special. You're one of us. You're one of the crazy
| ones.
|
| Welcome to your new, better, diamond-cut chamfered-edged
| life.
| matthewmacleod wrote:
| Or--much more simply--some people use a few of these
| features occasionally to take nice pictures of things they
| are doing, track their hikes on the weekend or whatever.
|
| It amazes me to see the extents people will go to in order
| to pretend they can't even conceive of simple scenarios.
| isitmadeofglass wrote:
| Why do people get so but hurt about Apple products? Yes
| vilify they for putting a good camera in their phones. It's
| obvious an evil manipulating ploy, and the customers who
| buy it are all stupid pretentious morons who are chasing
| after fame!! And not you know, just regular people who'd
| appreciate a better camera in their next phone upgrade.
| nradov wrote:
| Doubt it. Consumers who buy competing smart watches from
| Garmin / Suunto / Coros / Wahoo do actually use those
| features. I see their activities posted on Strava and
| Facebook all the time. Apple is finally trying to compete in
| the same market.
| endemic wrote:
| It's about the dopamine hit you get when you buy something
| you think is cool.
| ezfe wrote:
| Some people will use these features. If you don't want them,
| then don't upgrade to include them.
|
| How many people use 8TB of SSD storage? Fail.
| amf12 wrote:
| Doesn't matter, as long as Apple users will pay for it to have
| the latest and the greatest.
| babypuncher wrote:
| It's almost like they anticipated most people not needing these
| features and launched this watch alongside two much cheaper
| models that lack them.
| cmcmcm wrote:
| Still no Apple Watch for ladies... They're all enormous!
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Size is probably driven by the size of the electronics, size of
| batteries, and size of screen. You could probably get a usable
| system on a smaller screen, but the rest of it, I suspect, is
| already up against the limits of what we can manufacture today.
| systemvoltage wrote:
| There is a general trend of huge watches though outside of
| these concerns. Omega seamaster used to be available in 36mm.
| No more. Even the larger ones went from 40mm to 41mm, and
| last year they upped it to 42mm.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Sure, and I would very much prefer that we had more small
| watches (and phones, while we're commiserating). I'm just
| questioning whether a thing recognizable as an Apple Watch
| _can_ be any smaller than it is today.
| systemvoltage wrote:
| May be we can start a new trend, but instead of Z-height
| and making things slimmer, let's just make the phone and
| watch thicker but smaller X,Y dimensions.
| justsomehnguy wrote:
| It is. Watches lost the timekeeping service long ago, so
| their main purpose now is /only/ being a symbol of status.
|
| (Thats why I'm happy with my wristwatch, it shows the time
| and day of the month. Nothing more. I wouldn't mind a
| perpetual calendar, only to avoid those three days a year
| when they don't sync with the ideosyncrazies of the human's
| calendar)
| akelly wrote:
| Making miniature electronics is really hard!
| teolandon wrote:
| Can ladies not wear big watches?
| heavymark wrote:
| Most ladies, and many men like myself have small wrists, so
| the "small" apple watch is already quite large compared to
| normal watches for most woman or men with small wrists. The
| "large" would over hang on many of those people, so you can
| only imagine how a 49mm would fit for most woman and people
| with thin wrists.
| khazhoux wrote:
| Even in the Apple keynote demo videos, one of the female
| models had a tiny wrist with a giant watch on it. Not the
| most stylish look.
|
| As a small-wristed male, I would also love a thin watch,
| without a lot of the sensors.
| heavymark wrote:
| Yes, I'd be happy with even just the the extra side button
| to start workouts and such, since whenever I put on the
| homescreen it mistakenly gets started when crossing my arms
| or such and gets pressed. I imagine that may eventually
| come to the regular models.
| chrisBob wrote:
| No update in the mini phone form factor either. Even as a 6'
| tall dude, I would appreciate more emphasis on the smaller
| devices.
| bornfreddy wrote:
| +1. Especially as other manufacturers would soon follow.
| grishka wrote:
| Let me guess, still doesn't work with Android.
| sylvainkalache wrote:
| What I am the most excited about is the dive computer feature!
|
| "along with recreational scuba diving to 40 meters with the new
| Oceanic+ app."
|
| I was looking at $1,000 Garmin watches and was really not excited
| at buying one.
| underbluewaters wrote:
| Already preordered and am looking forward to using it for
| freediving. The UX on dive watches has long been a nightmare,
| they are expensive, and the replaceable batteries open them up
| to waterproofing issues. Most computers also treat
| freediving/spearfishing as an afterthought so I'll probably
| create my own software for it. Maybe a business opportunity
| here...
| liminalsunset wrote:
| I'm more concerned about the safety aspects of using an app
| running on a consumer watch for this kind of purpose. We've all
| seen the "water resistance is not a permanent
| condition...limited warranty does not cover water damage"
| warning before.
|
| Can a user of this app easily determine whether the
| waterproofing of the watch has been compromised, perhaps
| invisibly? After all, most Apple products rely on double sided
| adhesives and thin rubber membranes for waterproofing, due to
| sensors etc, but most other watches use a O-ring seal or
| similar. What happens if the App crashes, or the watch
| experiences a freeze/reboot during a dive? Will the app
| relaunch and handle its state correctly? Will the battery aging
| impact ability to prevent unexpected restarts in cold water?
|
| My past experiences with mobile apps and devices has been that
| while in the vast majority of situations they work fine, due to
| the large feature surface area and constraints associated with
| being a general purpose device, there are caveats to using them
| for a fixed purpose, where preventing failure could be
| critical. This is usually why purpose made equipment like dive
| computers are bulky and expensive, and I'm not sure this is the
| answer.
| dmitrygr wrote:
| My dive computer (mares) is also a consumer device. Why would
| Apple Watch be worse ?
| liminalsunset wrote:
| I'm thinking this isn't exactly an apples to apples
| comparison (literally) because the Mares equipment is
| designed specifically for the purpose of diving. The design
| of that device can be optimized for diving, and just
| diving, where an Apple Watch needs to include features like
| phone calls, a speaker, a microphone, and other sensors
| that aren't necessary for diving, along with the other
| software and user installed apps. Furthermore, the physical
| size and case design of the products I see on the Mares
| website is bulkier, which likely makes it easy to build it
| to be more robust to physical damage and waterproofing.
| maratc wrote:
| I have a Suunto Spyder which I bought around 2003. It was the
| first dive computer that was small enough to be worn as a
| daily driver.
|
| The thing about Spyder is that I need to replace its battery
| every two-three years, but otherwise it still does exactly
| what it did in 2003.
|
| The thing about AWU is that it will long be a deadweight
| brick, while my Spyder will just keep on going. That's what
| bothers me about Apple-made dive computers.
| drewg123 wrote:
| How can they call 36 hours of battery life "long"? The $799
| version Garmin Fenix 7 solar (which they seem to be targeting)
| has an 18-22 days of battery life.
| ghaff wrote:
| Battery is a big reason why I mostly don't use my fairly old
| Apple Watch. Daily charging is mostly more trouble than it's
| worth. As some point I may just get a new Fenix. I also don't
| find any of the available Apple Watch outdoor apps all that
| great.
| zimpenfish wrote:
| > 18-22 days of battery life.
|
| Only in "smartwatch" mode - ie. pretty much everything is
| turned off. In GPS mode, you get 73 hours (which is more than
| the 60 you get on the Watch Ultra in conservation mode, yes,
| but vastly lower than "18-22 days"!)
| slg wrote:
| What is the value of having 18 days of battery on a device like
| this? To me there are diminishing returns pretty quickly when
| it comes to battery life. I agree, there is a lot of value if
| you are able to hit 72-96 hours and you can go away for a
| weekend without worrying about charging, but 18 days seems like
| a waste. Are people really regularly away from their chargers
| for that long? At that point, I would much rather have a
| lighter device or one with more features.
| muppetman wrote:
| The value is you can leave it on your wrist without having to
| take it off all the time to charge it. Like a normal watch.
| It's one less thing to have to have go flat on you because
| you forgot to charge it the night before. One less thing to
| be a slave to charging.
| slg wrote:
| > It's one less thing to have to have go flat on you
| because you forgot to charge it the night before.
|
| But you don't need 18 days for that. Like I said, I
| understand wanting a few days. Why do you need a few weeks?
| It seems like at that point it becomes even more likely
| that you would forget to charge because it never becomes a
| routine.
| jwagenet wrote:
| the importance for me isn't actually the idle battery
| life itself (even for phones or laptops that isnt the
| case). The high battery life allows me to use GPS for
| 8-12 hours on my Coros, which is usually >20 days of idle
| use with infrequent HR, elevation, etc.
| nabaraz wrote:
| I wear my Fenix 24/7 and I want to not think about charging
| it more than 2 times a month.
| lamontcg wrote:
| When your solar panel is only putting out 8W due to rain for
| multiple days when you got off-grid for 3 weeks.
|
| (which just happened to me)
| h4waii wrote:
| I recently returned from week long road trip, and while my
| wife would plug in and charge her Apple Watch every single
| night, I kept wearing my Pebble without a thought at all --
| didn't even pack a charger.
|
| Granted, it does have fewer features, but how good are all
| those whiz-bangs if the battery is dead?
| chrisseaton wrote:
| 'Long' is obviously relative. The Garmin is an entirely
| different product to an Apple Watch.
|
| Recharging every 36 hours seems reasonable to me, even in very
| austere conditions.
| lukeinator42 wrote:
| I totally agree with you as well. I currently have a Garmin
| Fenix 6 pro and it lasts around 14 days. As someone who is into
| trail running and backpacking, a 36 hour battery life is
| untenable, and charging it every night seems like a pain.
|
| The irony is that AirPods have a really great battery life
| (especially the carrying case) despite the small form factor,
| and are my go-to for long runs.
| alphakilo wrote:
| I definitely agree with you. Even my Garmin Phoenix 5x plus
| will last multiple days with GPS usage for Backcountry camping.
| Another factor I worry about is the durability of the screen.
| Although you should always travel with backup Maps nobody wants
| to lose their primary navigation tool because a touch screen is
| nicer than Sapphire glass displays.
|
| That said the Apple watch is a nicer experience than the
| Phoenix which I don't tend to take out of the house too often
| outside of activities now. Indeed the Apple watch is claiming
| to be usable for recreational scuba for which the Phoenix is
| not and you would need to use an alternative Garmin watch
|
| Perhaps the next iteration of the ultra watch will have
| features to extend battery life beyond the 60 hours in low
| battery mode it claims and hopefully towards 100 hours (14
| hours * 7 days) of usage on low battery
| zimpenfish wrote:
| > Even my Garmin Phoenix 5x plus will last multiple days with
| GPS usage for Backcountry camping.
|
| Sporadic GPS usage, I'm guessing, since Garmin themselves
| only claim 13 hours of GPU usage (can't tell if it has
| UltraTrac though - the 5x non-plus can do 50 hours in
| UltraTrac mode.)
| mackmgg wrote:
| UltraTrac on my Fenix 5 is pretty useless though, you may
| as well not be recording at all at that point. I'm not sure
| if it's gotten better on the more recent watches, but the
| reported mileage would be off by 30%+ and the resulting map
| wouldn't even come close to resembling my actual path.
|
| That said, even in normal GPS only mode (no
| Gallileo/GLONASS), the 5 when it was new would get 30 hours
| of recording. Enough for most ultras, 3 days of backpacking
| if you record 8 hours/day, and also enough for a week trip
| with an hour of running every day.
| ghaff wrote:
| I had an older Fenix and the distance accuracy was pretty
| bad. But no one seems to have an issue with the current
| ones.
| dwighttk wrote:
| 18 hours is all day... 36 is long
| saberience wrote:
| It really annoys me to have to charge my Apple Watch every
| day, especially because I want/need it for both sleep
| tracking and exercise tracking. If I use it for sleeping it
| invariably runs out of bettery during the night, then in the
| morning when I want to work out I have to charge it before
| the gym, it's just frustrating. I would LOVE three days of
| charge.
| mikestew wrote:
| This is one of the main reasons I keep a Garmin for running
| (that, and real buttons on the Garmin, which Apple Watch
| Ultra might fix). I wear the Apple Watch at night, and if I
| didn't remember to throw it on the charger for a bit after
| waking up, well, no run for you because there's not enough
| battery. I mean, between those two activities (sleep
| tracking and running), I was constantly managing the
| battery charging because the damned thing won't last
| through a day.
|
| That, and I was really doubtful that the Apple product
| would 100%-for-sure-no-excuses make it through a marathon,
| and I'm fast enough to qualify for Boston. No way it would
| have made it through the five hour trail marathon I ran a
| few weeks ago.
|
| So I really, really want the Apple Watch Ultra just so I
| can pare down to one watch. But the Garmin 945 isn't even a
| year old, so we'll see what Apple has to offer _next_ year.
| tokamak-teapot wrote:
| My tactic is to drop in on the charger before I start
| getting ready for bed, then put it back on when I'm ready
| to go to sleep. Because it charges quickly, that's enough
| to give me power through the night and the next day.
|
| I'd still like a month of battery life though!
| dwighttk wrote:
| I just don't track sleep... I sleep fine but the couple
| times I've tried sleep tracking it has just made my sleep
| restless because every time my sleep got shallow I woke
| up thinking about "I wonder how my sleep tracking is
| going... man I'm gonna get the best sleep score!"
| drewg123 wrote:
| The last time I had a smartwatch with "long" battery life
| like that was 2018 with a Polar M600. I got tired of charging
| it all the time and upgraded to a Garmin with a week of
| battery life.
| entropie wrote:
| I guess the display and colors are way better on the apple
| watch.
|
| Retina display with 2k nits. I guess it looks awesome.
|
| I prefer my garmin too. I charge it like two times a month and
| my gps fixes _very_ fast and is very accurate
| justsomehnguy wrote:
| I prefer my Axiom. The day they need a charge.. means I was
| in a total darkness for a couple of months.
|
| /s but only so slightly
| entropie wrote:
| Never heard of that. https://www.axiomwatches.fr/en/
|
| This? Very informative website. Also I thought we talk
| about smart watches with GPS. Like 50 years ago we already
| had high precision mechanical watches that you dont need to
| charge ever...
| snemvalts wrote:
| Garmin Epix 2 has an OLED and 6 days of battery, 4x longer,
| bit smaller case size as well (47 vs 49mm).
| matthewmacleod wrote:
| Well, because they are different products with different
| features and a different set of trade-offs.
|
| It's totally valid to think that a different product more
| clearly suits your needs - you don't have to fake incredulity
| about it.
| oezi wrote:
| They are targeting enough battery to run a full Ironman or be
| offline for a weekend (60 hours).
|
| The explorer focus was just wacky.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| The picture showing an explorer dominating a snowy mountain
| is hilarious, I hope he brought several battery packs to
| charge the watch.
| maratc wrote:
| "No wireless? Less space than a Nomad? Lame!"
| speedgoose wrote:
| It's strange that they don't offer good outdoor maps. In the
| announcement video, they show how to find your way from your gps
| track displayed on a black background. It's not very helpful.
|
| I use a third party application, WorkOutDoors, to get vectorial
| outdoor maps from OSM data on the Apple Watch Series 3. So it
| should be possible to offer maps by default on the new watch
| ultra that makes you an adventurer.
| dependsontheq wrote:
| It looks like Apple took a hard look at decades of classic watch
| ads. And decided to do the same.
|
| It actually looks exactly like these ads.
| wellthisisgreat wrote:
| It's 7mm larger diagonally than my 42mm watch, that's crazy
| large, did it catch some kind of phablet virus?
| [deleted]
| arberx wrote:
| Apple is missing the mark in this segment.
|
| Their competitors: Garmin, coros all offer weeks of battery life
| with tradeoffs people in this segment happily make.
|
| I get 20 days of battery life on my coros pace 2. Charging a
| apple watch every night or two would not be acceptable.
| nluken wrote:
| Agreed. I'm a competitive runner and nobody in that community
| is showing up to interval workouts with an Apple watch. I don't
| see this watch changing that, especially when better battery
| life and tracking (which is all the road/track running segment
| really cares about) can be had at a fraction of the cost with
| Garmin or Coros. The ultra/hiking community will run into
| problems with the 36 hour battery life, especially if they're
| using the map features.
|
| I really have a hard time seeing who this watch is for.
| heavymark wrote:
| Remember will be 60 hours in low power mode, and that seems
| to only disable things such as always on (which I always
| disable with hikes as drastically improves battery life and
| theater mode), and won't auto detect workout, but one can
| easily just set to hike or what not when starting the workout
| manually. 60 hours for all the benefits of the watch seems
| impressive. The 49mm size however will be the bigger issue
| presumably for most woman and men with small wrists, since
| the small was already large for that demographic.
| [deleted]
| nickthegreek wrote:
| I don't think they missed the mark by shear amount of these I
| see on wrists everywhere i go.
| nerdwaller wrote:
| Now you see the Apple Watch Series N wherever you go, which
| is ~$400, not the Ultra. It will be interesting to see how
| common the ultra is over the next few years. My guess is it
| won't be super common, as it's large, fairly unattractive
| (IMO), and much more expensive for features that don't even
| match the competition that much of this Garmin/Ultra/etc type
| of demographic cares about.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| There are third-party wireless chargers that can charge your
| phone, airpods and watch concurrently, but I agree, it seems
| silly having to deal with many small batteries on a daily
| basis.
|
| The only long-lasting battery is the iPhone's, but it gained
| that capability years after it became common in comparable
| Android phones.
| krisdol wrote:
| Agreed. They say this is for explorers and adventure, but it
| seems like I'd be out of charge after the first segment of a
| backpacking trip. Need a map of an area for the return or the
| next day? Good luck.
| [deleted]
| enraged_camel wrote:
| It's not a huge deal. When I go on multi-day backpacking
| trips, I carry battery packs and/or solar chargers with me
| anyway, because I need to be able to charge my phone.
| bornfreddy wrote:
| I thought this was a thing of a past? Mine easily lasts 4-5
| days if I turn off wifi and bt (which I assume you don't
| need much when backpacking).
| chrisseaton wrote:
| Carry a small battery pack.
| nradov wrote:
| The latest Garmin devices have much longer battery life
| with equivalent functionality, and can extend battery life
| with solar charging.
|
| https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/854515
| tenacious_tuna wrote:
| that's a lot of weight to add for backpacking. every bit
| counts when you're going 20 miles up and down hills.
| chrisseaton wrote:
| If I'm doing some kind of outdoor activity, then I'm
| likely already carrying batteries for other things. I
| don't think it's the huge barrier most people here think
| it is. I guess if you're into ultra-light then yeah maybe
| it isn't the target market for you - but then why would
| you be carrying a huge watch in the first place rather
| than something light?
| riversflow wrote:
| I mean, I tend to agree. FWIW, most people who do UL
| Backpacking use a smartphone for maps and a UL battery.
| I've taken my Apple Watch backpacking with me before, and
| keeping it charged wasn't a thing. Just one extra (short)
| cable to bring, I'd put it on the battery during dinner
| and camp setup.
|
| The thing is though, I've only found it really useful if
| I'm doing stiff ascents and am not comfortable with my
| training. Mostly just to keep an eye on my heartrate, if
| my training/preparations are adequate for my trip, I
| don't use it at all.
| TobyTheDog123 wrote:
| Why would you make the "action button" a fixed bright orange
| color? I want to be able to wear it whether I'm on a run or
| whether I'm going out.
|
| EDIT: Yeah, international orange, cool - keep it as an option,
| but the vast majority of people buying this will never be in a
| situation where "international orange" is needed.
| mikestew wrote:
| Oh, it's needed alright. It signals to the others in that
| sprint planning meeting that you are an _extreme_ athlete who
| cares not for such things as aesthetics. And in case they can
| 't quite make it out at the other end of the conference table,
| we'll make it bright orange.
| idoh wrote:
| Apple is amazing at solving problems customers wished they had.
| jpalomaki wrote:
| I think they have learned a lot from car manufacturers and
| their marketing.
| mikestew wrote:
| We all want to be the kind of person that needs that kind of a
| watch. But we'll buy it anyway.
| mrwnmonm wrote:
| I run in the desert everyday man.
| cutierust wrote:
| chrisBob wrote:
| As a casual runner that does some track workouts, the extra
| button is my favorite feature of this new watch. The built in
| stopwatch app with screen buttons is miserable for timing
| workouts.
|
| Now I just need to wait a few years for the extra button to
| trickle down to something that my family agrees is in budget.
| drewg123 wrote:
| Try a Garmin. Even the low end ones have way, way more battery
| life and lots of buttons.
| justsomehnguy wrote:
| I would advice a $18 Casio and $20 mp3 player, both with a
| physical buttons... but they xan't stream your favourite
| Spotify tracks, I suppose?
|
| /s
| pharmakom wrote:
| Garmin UI sucks, although I still picked one over Apple Watch
| due to the price point.
| case0x00 wrote:
| 36/60 hours still seems pretty low to me honestly in an
| adventuring context. Apple had a great opportunity to innovate
| the watch massively but this is kinda disappointing. Software is
| cool, as always, but hardware is the let down. The bands seem
| pretty cool though.
| o_____________o wrote:
| Really hoping they solve the rumored glucose monitoring at some
| point. I've never owned an apple watch, but I would dump all my
| traditional watches, oura ring and CGM.
| oezi wrote:
| And blood pressure monitoring would be a a huge feature.
| nhance wrote:
| As an avid ultrarunner, this is the first apple watch I'd ever
| consider. We aren't part of the apple ecosystem and I'm a bit
| resistant to join, so I am really excited to see the garmin or
| samsung equivalent to this
| peppertree wrote:
| It cracks me up when people say Apple is evil go with Samsung.
| Samsung heir literally went to jail for bribing the Korean
| president, and that was just tip of the iceberg.
| digdugdirk wrote:
| I don't see this as an "Apple is evil" comment. There are
| plenty of people who use Windows/Linux + Android for their
| computing environment, and for those people, jumping into the
| Apple ecosystem is an infeasible time/money/productivity
| commitment.
| babypuncher wrote:
| I don't think nhance was trying to say that Apple is evil,
| they are expressing a desire not to get sucked into Apple's
| ecosystem. Samsung's ecosystem lacks the breadth of Apple's
| and isn't nearly as good at creating vendor lock-in.
| nhance wrote:
| Correct. Apple products work well together, but also make
| it a huge pain in the ass if you don't buy everything from
| them. The kids have apple products and we can't manage them
| effectively because we don't have apple devices. This
| provides a strong disincentive to want to give them any
| more money.
|
| Samsung was only mentioned because are there any other real
| competitors to a full smart watch?
|
| Garmin will likely keep me because running gps for 10+
| hours at a shot is important. A full smart watch is far
| less of a priority.
|
| (On Sunday I ran for roughly 10.5 hours, GPS active the
| entire time. When I finished, I had 33% of my battery
| left.)
| mikestew wrote:
| _Garmin will likely keep me because running gps for 10+
| hours at a shot is important. A full smart watch is far
| less of a priority._
|
| If you don't want to dive headlong into Apple's stuff,
| then a Garmin might very well be all the smart watch you
| need. It's been quite a few years since I used a Garmin
| as a full-time smart watch, but you can have
| notifications and messages (read-only if using an Apple
| phone) and even contactless payment on a Garmin. If we
| weren't a knees-deep Apple house, I'd just use my Garmin
| 945 as my smart watch.
| poisonborz wrote:
| Would you really switch to an iPhone just to use this watch?
| This is the thing with Apple products, especially accessories -
| only usable with a deeper dive in the lock-in.
| Lukas_Skywalker wrote:
| One thing confusing me is that there doesn't seem to be a real
| map view. There is a view displaying waypoints and a line tracing
| your route, but no map background. Some context around your
| current position can be very helpful when navigating. Strange
| that they didn't include it. The watch already has such a bright
| high resolution display, they could provide a much better
| experience than the competitors.
| ezfe wrote:
| In the wilderness, they'd want to be using Satellite (data
| heavy) because most areas don't have useful Vector mapping
| unless they pull in a huge new trail database.
| jfbaro wrote:
| Interesting. I am personally more interested in precise and
| diverse health sensors, that can measure my health in real time.
| Sakos wrote:
| I'm most annoyed that they've locked competent GPS tracking
| behind a $799 price tag. It's the one reason why I didn't get an
| Apple Watch originally. It was consistently less reliable and
| inaccurate in weird ways than similarly priced Garmin and others.
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| imchillyb wrote:
| Apple Watch is significantly more accurate than a Garmin or
| other handheld 'portable' GPS unit.
|
| Significantly so, especially when paired with a phone (which
| users already own).
| brianwawok wrote:
| Well, most runners do not run with a phone - so that isn't
| helpful.
|
| (Some do, but many of us specifically leave the phone at
| home, and run with our apple watches to save having a big
| clonkly phone)
| entropie wrote:
| > Apple Watch is significantly more accurate than a Garmin or
| other handheld 'portable' GPS unit.
|
| Any source on that - because I really doubt it.
| nradov wrote:
| Independent tests have shown that the latest high-end Garmin
| devices are more accurate than previous Apple watches due to
| support for dual-frequency GPS. This makes a significant
| difference when signals are obstructed by buildings or trees.
| The new Apple Watch Ultra will now have feature parity so it
| should be just as accurate.
| brianwawok wrote:
| I have used both Garmin and Apple watch (currently rocking an
| Apple Watch 6), many distances from casual walks to full
| marathons. I have found the apple watches did fine? What didn't
| work for you?
|
| This is a review of an Apple 5, and it's within a few % points
| of a Garmin
|
| https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/11/apple-watch-series-5-spo...
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