[HN Gopher] 2 Weeks Notice Checklist
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2 Weeks Notice Checklist
Author : groundcoffee
Score : 45 points
Date : 2022-09-04 19:59 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| bot41 wrote:
| 2 weeks? I have to give 3 months notice to my job
| cpsns wrote:
| Two weeks is typical for most jobs in North America.
| modeless wrote:
| And it's not required, it's a courtesy. In most cases you can
| quit on the spot if you really feel like it.
| delgaudm wrote:
| How much notice do they have to give you when they're letting
| you go?
| social_quotient wrote:
| I'd love to see a checklist but the other side of the table. When
| a developer is going to leave and you have two weeks. What's the
| checklist for handoff on a granular prioritized level. Do you
| start from front end and work backwards or from db model and go
| forward?
|
| The use case is I run an agency and we tend to get hired when an
| internal resource is leaving and we need to take over a big fat
| codebase we have never seen. The guy running is is leaving in 2
| weeks. Where do we start... a checklist like this could be
| awesome
| cratermoon wrote:
| This is strictly about things a person needs to do for their own
| financial and employment future after leaving. There's nothing
| here about handing off the job responsibilities and knowledge to
| colleagues, for example.
| groundcoffee wrote:
| Interesting! Handing off job responsibilities is definitely an
| important aspect, especially for more tenured employees.
| datalopers wrote:
| Unless there's additional pay for doing so, quite literally not
| my problem. A good manager from day one of a new hire should be
| ensuring a smooth hand-off is already prepared in the event of
| separation for any reason.
| NeoTar wrote:
| Arguably, during your last two weeks that _is_ your job - the
| entirety of your job. So not additional pay, but your final
| pay check is for doing just that.
| [deleted]
| kube-system wrote:
| The entire point of giving two weeks notice is a courtesy to
| your employer to facilitate a smooth transition period.
|
| If you DGAF about that, you might as well give no notice.
| datalopers wrote:
| Employers rarely give notice when terminating an employee.
| kube-system wrote:
| Of course not. Voluntary notice periods never have been
| made out of fairness, it is and always was about self-
| interest.
|
| Employees give two weeks to be nice and not burn bridges
| with people on their team.
|
| Employees who are angry at their employers may often give
| no notice at all.
|
| Employers don't give notice in layoffs because
| disgruntled employees are not productive and are a
| liability.
|
| Employers don't give notice in terminations because they
| don't _want_ them working for two more weeks.
| sys_64738 wrote:
| It's called a transition plan and your manager should work that
| out with you during your notice period. Who will pick up your
| responsibilities? Accept no new work. Don't attend regular
| meetings. Don't do overtime. Disengage from instant message
| such as Teams or Slack. Do everything via email CC'ing your
| manager. Start to work from home during your notice period.
| Your single focus is hand off and get out ASAP.
| konschubert wrote:
| Losing your health care if you quit a job is pretty dystopian.
|
| There are lots of things wrong with Europe, but this isn't one of
| them .
| cammikebrown wrote:
| That's IF your job gave you healthcare, and if it was any good,
| and you have to pay anyway a lot of the time. (And most jobs
| don't pay for dental or healthcare)
| hollywood_court wrote:
| Yep. It's a big "if." I took my first full time job at age 16
| and I'll be 41 in December.
|
| During that time I've had over a dozen employers and only one
| offered health insurance. And it was so expensive that almost
| no one, myself included, signed up for it.
|
| The only reason my wife works is because of the healthcare
| and benefits given to her by being a state employee. The
| money she earns is fairly insignificant relative to our other
| income, but the benefits make it worth it.
| kube-system wrote:
| Private health insurance employer benefit plans exist in
| Europe.
| chrismeller wrote:
| Someone1234 wrote:
| Which is often supplemental insurance (akin to Medicare
| Advantage in the US). If you lose that your cancer or
| fertility treatment doesn't suddenly stop, or you won't go
| bankrupt due to an unexpected medical problem.
|
| People, even in the US, often forget that the US has European
| style healthcare coverage it is just restricted to those
| above the age of 65. People over the age of 65 also make up
| the largest voting block, and politicians in the US often
| hurt younger demographics to benefit the retirees as a direct
| result.
| _trackno5 wrote:
| Yeah it sucks. But I guess in Europe we compensate with
| irrational house prices that'll pretty much keep a generation
| from ever owning their own home, always at the mercy of a
| landlord
| linux2647 wrote:
| We're heading that direction in the US
| chrismeller wrote:
| Something Americans forget when talking about "Europe" is that
| it consists of different countries with different rules.
| Outside big ones like the UK and Germany a LOT of them also
| link your employment and membership in the social insurance
| fund.
|
| In Estonia, for instance, your 20% social tax pays for the
| healthcare system. If you get laid off of course there are
| provisions along with your unemployment to include you, but
| otherwise no job = no insurance.
| vivegi wrote:
| _(In jurisdictions where permitted; If you signed a non-compete
| upon joining or anytime during service)_ Keep a copy of your Non-
| compete agreement (and be aware of any restrictions around
| companies, clients, industries that are barred and the duration
| for which they are barred)
| kube-system wrote:
| True, but you should have probably sorted out you plan with
| your non-compete even before you lined up your next job.
| joeframbach wrote:
| Can you replace the check marks with empty boxes so I can, you
| know, check the list?
| dtx1 wrote:
| Feels like 90% of this is only necessary if you live in a country
| with horrible insurance practices. If you life in a civilized
| country with sane health insurance coverage you wouldn't need to
| worry about almost any of this.
| martin_a wrote:
| Yes, totally.
|
| I was expecting to find a solid list about "hand over accounts"
| or "change mail address" but it was all about being able to see
| a dentist if necessary.
| smcleod wrote:
| I'm assuming this is focused on the USA specifically?
|
| In Australia and New Zealand most engineering jobs are 4 weeks
| notice if you've worked there at least a year or two.
|
| I've heard that non-compete clauses don't really hold up here
| either (not that I've even seen one either).
|
| Not sure what an "ESSP" is?
| linux2647 wrote:
| An ESPP is a stock purchasing program that allows employees to
| buy company stock at a discount
| gizmo385 wrote:
| "ESPP" is an Employee Stock Purchase Plan and is a program that
| allows employees to purchase company stock, usually at a
| guaranteed discount
| endtime wrote:
| ESPP is an employee share purchasing plan, which is a way to
| commit to buying shares in the company at a discounted rate
| over time. My employer has an attractive plan that is pretty
| much free money with extremely limited downside risk; there's a
| federally-imposed $25k/year cap, which also limits the upside,
| but it's well worth a couple clicks.
| kube-system wrote:
| Yes, it's US centric, but the US does not require two weeks
| notice. It is a voluntary courtesy. Some people give more or
| less depending on the circumstances. Employment in the US is
| largely at-will, and can be terminated by either party at any
| time.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| How did we end up with a two weeks honor system that is only
| expected from one side?
| kortilla wrote:
| Severance packages are common in tech for layoffs. That is
| effectively many weeks notice, you just don't have to work
| during them which is nicer.
|
| If you're being fired for underperforming, that's usually
| many weeks in the making and you're given many written
| notices (HR departments like really clear paper trails).
|
| The only times I hear of where termination is sudden
| without notice or compensation is when people get fired for
| something egregious or the company literally ran out of
| money (startups can be rough).
|
| Caveat: all of the above applies to the tech industry. I
| understand it can be much worse for employees in other
| industries.
| 13of40 wrote:
| One of my previous companies (in the US) had a policy of
| escorting you to the door immediately if you told them
| you were leaving for a competitor. In practice, we
| usually took them out to lunch, had a laugh about it, and
| all but one of us came back to the office.
| kube-system wrote:
| Because voluntarily departures are generally cordial.
|
| There is effectively no overlap between severely
| disgruntled employees and those who give their employer a
| courteous heads up about their departure. Whereas
| involuntary termination is never a happy circumstance.
| [deleted]
| sundaeofshock wrote:
| Simple power dynamics. The employee has a lot more to loose
| than the employer a when a person's employment ends.
| tialaramex wrote:
| I think the minimum term I've had in the last maybe 20 years
| (in the UK) was 90 days.
| sio8ohPi wrote:
| By convention or by contract? Do new employers generally
| accept that new hires won't be available to start for 90
| days, or does one only start the job search after giving
| notice to your current employer?
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