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       Author : app4soft
       Score  : 50 points
       Date   : 2022-09-03 16:47 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (twitter.com)
        
       | dejj wrote:
       | Reminds me of the fabulous Grass Mud Horse.
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grass_Mud_Horse
        
       | EarlKing wrote:
       | Be sure... to drink... your ovaltine?
        
       | diimdeep wrote:
       | Instead of peace propaganda, Ukrainians create memes about
       | bombings. And not just any Ukrainians, this is posted by official
       | Defence intelligence of Ukraine. How people will judge this in
       | future ? IDK, but I think Ukrainians shooting yourself in the
       | foot.
        
         | epakai wrote:
         | If the meme resonates the bombs will detonate.
        
         | mlyle wrote:
         | > Instead of peace propaganda, Ukrainians create memes about
         | bombings.
         | 
         | I think if you're defending from a war of aggression, you might
         | be able to flex now and then when things go alright and maybe
         | even misspeak a few times and still avoid the judgment of
         | history ;)
        
         | djohnston wrote:
         | Lol for real? You think Ukrainians are the ones history is
         | going to judge for this?
        
         | nine_k wrote:
         | In WWII, the French surrendered to Germans and preserved some
         | modicum of peace, and the British fought staunchly, at a high
         | cost (see Coventry).
         | 
         | Who, do you think, made a more appropriate choice?
        
           | diimdeep wrote:
           | Not relevant comparison, it has nothing to do with current
           | conflict.
           | 
           | Imagine world where china-india-middle_east-russia military
           | organization in 800 km from Washington destabilize region,
           | training military, and doing all kinds of military
           | activities. And US reacts, is it aggression or protection of
           | sovereignty ?
        
             | mopsi wrote:
             | Accusations of the USA and NATO destabilizing Russia are
             | not grounded in facts. Quite the opposite: even before the
             | USSR collapsed, its territorial integrity was among main
             | concerns in the West, driven by the fear of nukes going
             | into wrong hands.
             | 
             | Here's a pretty good article on the topic:
             | https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/stop-
             | tiptoeing-...
             | 
             | After 1991, the western aid to that you mention has been
             | built free and stable societies in Eastern Europe, which
             | has given Russia exceptional security at its borders. What
             | "protection of sovereignty" are you talking about, from
             | whom?
        
             | nine_k wrote:
             | Russia and Venezuela had a military exercise together in a
             | not so distant past.
             | 
             | The closest analogy would be the Communist Cuba and the
             | crisis after the Soviets put nuclear weapons there. Cuba
             | has not been annexed, or declared the core US land, though.
        
         | Permit wrote:
         | > How people will judge this in future ?
         | 
         | Probably quite favorably. There appears to be broad support for
         | Ukrainians across the entire political spectrum in the western
         | world. I can't think of any other recent issues that have
         | united the western world so completely.
         | 
         | What kind of judgement did you have in mind?
        
           | diimdeep wrote:
           | I do not think memes about explosions (killing people) is
           | acceptable in healthy society, does not matter who posts it
           | and against whom.
        
             | rendall wrote:
             | Hard disagree if the killed are volunteers (i.e. invading,
             | genocidal marauders). As the saying goes, play stupid
             | games, win stupid prizes. The solution to the problem of
             | getting blown up by the defending army is pretty simple:
             | surrender, or otherwise get the fuck out.
        
         | Theodores wrote:
         | In the day job, writing code, I have options to give things fun
         | names, to add a touch of humour to the error messages and to
         | add Easter Eggs. These are funny when everything works but if
         | boss man is there and the website is down and the 503 page has
         | my cocky joke then it is not going to be funny or clever.
         | 
         | Due to the nature of either-you-are-with-us-or-against-us two-
         | tribes conflict, public diplomacy has to be very Marmite. The
         | Ukrainian side want to attract numerate people able to help
         | them win the war. They don't care about what people outside
         | their audience think because they get their news sources
         | elsewhere.
         | 
         | I would be surprised if this tweet was considered noteworthy by
         | political commentators that are prone to use the last letter of
         | the alphabet in red white and blue stripes.
        
         | LittlePeter wrote:
         | If Ukrainians are shooting themselves in the foot by doing
         | memes about bombings, how would you describe Russia's invasion?
         | How will that be judged?
        
       | gfaure wrote:
       | "bavovna" (bavovna) is explained by Illia Ponomarenko here better
       | than I could myself:
       | https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1557458609541349376
        
       | ipnon wrote:
       | Is this related to the self-awareness Twitter meme? Amtrak
       | tweeted "trains," Department of Energy tweeted "energy," and so
       | on. The official Twitter account of Ukraine tweeted "victory"
       | yesterday, might this be a play on the meme to show Defense
       | Intelligence of Ukraine is all about ciphers?
        
         | dogma1138 wrote:
         | USSTRATCOM tweeted "Deterrence" I can't feel anything other
         | than we're definitely living in the stupid timeline when
         | nuclear weapons are tied to memes.
        
       | yreg wrote:
       | Caesar cipher for KRYMSKA BAVOVNA, translates as Crimean cotton.
       | 
       | "Ukrainians ironically call explosions in Russia or in occupied
       | territory 'cotton'-bavovna - bavovna, ridiculing Russian media
       | use of a word khlopok (a bang) in a sense of explosion, which is
       | written in the same way as cotton - khlopok"
       | 
       | source:
       | https://twitter.com/olgatokariuk/status/1557042276869734401
        
         | zoomablemind wrote:
         | In addition to this, the fluffy explosion clouds from the hit
         | ammo, mil equpment, and fuel depots do resemble big wads of
         | cotton in the sky, well, of much darker shade.
         | 
         | Another expression apropos is "HIMARS o'clock".
        
           | R0b0t1 wrote:
           | Feint - Mirror signal
           | 
           | IC3PEAK - Zerkalo (Mirror)
           | 
           | Feint - Stairway to Heaven (You Are Slaves)
           | 
           | FACE - Kotton (Cotton)
           | 
           | The Russian Futurists - Let's Get Ready To Crumble
           | 
           | Scarcity of Tanks (band)
        
         | benj111 wrote:
         | Is this linked to gun cotton in anyway?
        
       | app4soft wrote:
       | [0] https://www.dcode.fr/letter-number-cipher
        
         | odiroot wrote:
         | So KRYMSKABAVOVNA?
        
           | phoe-krk wrote:
           | Yes, Crimean cotton.
           | https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bavovna seems
           | to have more context for this.
        
           | danielodievich wrote:
           | Bavovna means cotton, which in Russian is spelled khlopok,
           | which is a word that means both cotton and clap (or a loud
           | clap), depending on which syllable you accent the word on.
           | 
           | It is a play on current "New Russian" language that is part
           | of the russian propaganda that calls explosions "claps",
           | collapse "negative growth" and so on.
        
       | lun4r wrote:
       | There are two Telegram channels with 'krymbavovna' belonging to
       | the Ukrainian armed forces:
       | 
       | https://t.me/krymbavovna_chat https://t.me/krymbavovna_bot
        
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       | ssizn wrote:
        
         | 13415 wrote:
         | No you didn't, and it doesn't
        
           | fegu wrote:
           | I bet you are fun at parties:)
        
             | Beltalowda wrote:
             | No one here seems especially fun at parties.
        
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             | falcolas wrote:
             | Well, hello fun police. Hard at work today?
        
         | msla wrote:
         | > gorillion
         | 
         | Openly dogwhistling Holocaust denialism.
         | 
         | https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/six-gorillion
        
           | 2Gkashmiri wrote:
           | can you help me explain the boner some people get around
           | holocaust denial? i mean on both sides?
           | 
           | one party denies it happened? why? are they ignoring facts?
           | second party throws up a tantrum "why wont they accept
           | facts", both start fighting. why?
           | 
           | today we have flat-earthers. big deal...
           | 
           | i understand the concept of remembering a terrible incident
           | but why can't people have opinions? like i can try to
           | convince a flat-earther that the world is round but they wont
           | listen so should i beat them with a lead pipe til they accept
           | my point?
           | 
           | i am not trying to undermine anyone's suffering, shit happens
           | but why is the current generation, someone who has NOT seen
           | the events first hand so adamant on everyone toeing their
           | line?
           | 
           | i am under actual persecution as i write this so its not like
           | i don't know what that feels like but yeah
        
           | mcphage wrote:
           | "gorillion" is used outside of Holocaust denialism. As is
           | "six", and "muh".
        
             | wolfram74 wrote:
             | I've heard gajillion, kajillion, bazillion and during the
             | 2014 world cup, brazillion before, but gorillion is a new
             | one to me.
        
               | sli wrote:
               | "A Gorillian Dollars" was a short-lived meme back in
               | 2011. It was a cartoon of a gorilla in a suit holding an
               | open briefcase full of money. Described (derisively) on
               | UD: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Goril
               | lion%20...
        
               | mcphage wrote:
               | That's where I know it from.
        
             | tom_ wrote:
             | Wouldn't be much of a dogwhistle if there wasn't at least
             | some plausible deniability.
        
             | uxp100 wrote:
             | It uh, really isn't.
        
           | gsich wrote:
           | no
        
           | superchroma wrote:
           | no
        
         | kurupt213 wrote:
         | Baidenu nam potriben shche odin kvadril'ion dolariv
        
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