[HN Gopher] Generating Fashion Using AI
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Generating Fashion Using AI
Author : BIackSwan
Score : 209 points
Date : 2022-09-02 14:36 UTC (1 days ago)
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| suref wrote:
| I wonder when the transition will happen and when DALLE 2 and
| similar technologies will actually replace jobs. Because
| practically, they can already.
| amelius wrote:
| Has anyone run existing stop-motion videos through DAIN?
| makeworld wrote:
| Yes, it's linked in the thread:
| https://twitter.com/karenxcheng/status/1552348027834118144
| Maxion wrote:
| Jesus christ fast fashion is just going to get worse isn't it?
|
| Standing infront of your augmented reality mirror in the evening
| swiping through AI generated outfits for the next day that are
| made automatically during the night and shipped to you by drone
| the next morning to wear for the day and then dispose of.
| wesleywt wrote:
| Old man yells at the sky.
| capableweb wrote:
| "Standing infront of your augmented reality mirror in the
| evening swiping through AI generated outfits for the next day
| that are made automatically during the night and shipped to you
| by drone the next morning to wear for the day and then the next
| time to drone comes, it also brings with it yesterdays fabric
| to recycle it by destroying it to small particles, washing
| them, then create new clothes for a different person, and the
| cycle starts a new"
|
| Adding a bit more imagination to your initial idea make the
| entire idea actually a net-positive. People can start recycle
| clothes (good for the planet), with a new design everyday (good
| for people who like that) and it provides a business (good for
| the economy).
| hahaitsfunny wrote:
| bongobingo1 wrote:
| The only part that seems implausible here is the recycling.
| esjeon wrote:
| That's a far far future. The current AI simply can't reason
| with the design. It's all just 2D image manipulation, and the
| image you see might be physically impossible, let alone
| generating the fitting sewing pattern from a simple image.
| Perhaps, one can limit the scope of AI generation to minor
| details, like color, pattern, printings, pockets, etc.
| dannyw wrote:
| Far far future as in 1 year?
| trention wrote:
| How much money are you willing to bet that there would be
| an AI producing working clothing designs from prompts in 1
| year? If it's less than your yearly salary, even you don't
| believe this crap.
| napier wrote:
| I'd be shocked if it takes as long as a year for the first
| neural 3D engine to be released.
| thfuran wrote:
| There's considerably more conceptual distance between
| "dalle but 3d" and "dalle but emits practical product
| designs rather than concept art" than there is between
| dalle and 3d dalle.
| cercatrova wrote:
| One can imagine a quite opposite scenario:
|
| You wear AR glasses and can choose whatever virtual fashion you
| want. Other people wearing glasses too can also see your
| outfit. So you make something physical into something virtual,
| thereby not having fast fashion at all.
| esperent wrote:
| > shipped to you by drone the next morning to wear for the day
| and then dispose of
|
| An environmental catastrophe with today's technology.
|
| But if we can fix that, say make the clothes with a 3d printer
| out of yesterday's recycled clothes, with energy from renewable
| sources, then that sounds pretty cool actually.
| agumonkey wrote:
| Which means with goggles we can all wear simple cotton outfits
| and appears fancy digitally. #ecofriendly
| shredprez wrote:
| Virtualizing consumption may be the aspect of mixed reality I'm
| most excited about. There are plenty of goods that _have_ to be
| physical, but many don't.
| whinvik wrote:
| There does seem to be a lot of editing work required to get this
| working.
|
| I would like to understand if there's a more automated way of
| doing this.
| jimhi wrote:
| The most important work is done by Dalle which has no open API
| right now. Once they open it up - there could be a way to run a
| program on all 3. You would still have to cherry pick which
| frames from Dalle look the nicest
| synu wrote:
| I believe (but not 100% sure) you can achieve this with
| Stable Diffusion also, which is something you can run
| locally.
| jimhi wrote:
| For sure but Stable Diffusion still cannot produce as
| realistic quality as Dalle 2. Stable Diffusion also has
| fairly weak inpainting which is what is used for the first
| step. I am confident it will surpass Dalle 2 at some point
| though, it has only been open sourced for ~2 weeks after
| all.
| htrp wrote:
| does the inpainting code actually work or is it just a
| vestigal placeholder from the last version of stable
| diffusions release?
| capableweb wrote:
| > For sure but Stable Diffusion still cannot produce as
| realistic quality as Dalle 2.
|
| I don't think that's true. Just like Gimp can be used to
| make better results than Photoshop (or even mspaint), the
| quality of the results is up to the artist/user, not the
| tool itself.
|
| Some SD outputs are truly amazing, but so is some DALL-E
| 2 outputs. Maybe DALL-E 2 is easier to use for beginners,
| but people who are good with prompts will get as good
| output with SD as with DALL-E.
| jimhi wrote:
| I've tried about 500+ prompts on Midjourney, Stable
| diffusion, and Dalle 2 each. It's just not there yet,
| it's really good for creative results though.
|
| I agree it might do a the job decently for a dress in
| this instance.
| Vox_Leone wrote:
| I agree. People who will carry out this activity at a
| high professional level in creative agencies will have to
| deepen in the observation and study of language.
|
| In addition to linguistic precision, the parameters
| involved in prompt composition, for a perfectly
| controlled artistic result, require technical knowledge,
| a sense of style and historical knowledge. The more
| related keywords involved in the composition, the greater
| the artist's control over the final result. Example: the
| prompt
|
| _A distant futuristic city full of tall buildings inside
| a huge transparent glass dome, In the middle of an arid
| desert full of big dunes, Sunbeams, Artstation, Dark sky
| full of stars with a bright sun, Massive scale, Fog, Very
| Detailed, Cinematic, Colorful_
|
| is more sophisticated than just
|
| _A city full of tall buildings inside a huge transparent
| glass dome_
|
| Note that the conceptual density, hence the quality, of
| the prompt depends heavily on the cultural and linguistic
| background of the person composing. In fact, a quality
| prompt is very similar to a movie scene described in a
| script/storyboard [by the way, there go the Production
| Designers, along with the concept artists, graphic
| designers, set designers, costume designers, lighting
| designers... ].
|
| In an attempt to monetize the fruits of the new
| technology, Internet entrepreneurs will be forced by the
| invisible hand of the job market to delve deeper into
| language skills. It will be a benign side effect, I
| think, considering the current state of the Internet.
| Perhaps this will lead to a better articulation of ideas
| in the network environment.
|
| Just as YouTube influencers have a knack for dealing with
| the visual aspects of human interactions, aspiring prompt
| engineers will have to excel at sniffing out the nuances
| of human expression. They have great potential to be the
| new cool professionals of the digital economy, as were
| web designers, and later influencers -- who, with the end
| of social networks, now tend to lose relevance.
|
| To differentiate themselves, prompt engineers will have
| to be avid readers and practitioners of
| semiotics/semiology.
|
| Umberto Eco and the structuralists may return to fashion.
|
| (*) I used a prompt by Simon Willison
|
| https://simonwillison.net/2022/Aug/29/stable-diffusion/
| spitfire wrote:
| > I agree. People who will carry out this activity at a
| high professional level in creative agencies will have to
| deepen in the observation and study of language.
|
| So they have to be a character out of a William Gibson
| novel? Do they rip the labels off their clothes too?
|
| PS: This is awesome.
| bergenty wrote:
| That beats the point. If you need specialized artists and
| know how to make this work it's useless. Might as well
| just use photoshop then. The whole point is your grandma
| should be able to do this herself.
| capableweb wrote:
| ???
|
| Imagine someone saying that about Photoshop when it was
| first introduced...
|
| "Why would you even use Photoshop if so you still have
| learn a tool in order to use it? Might as well just use a
| canvas with colors... The whole point of Photoshop is
| that your grandma should be able to use it!"
|
| No, every tool in the world is not meant to make it zero
| effort to do something. Some tools are meant to
| incrementally make it easier, or even just make it less
| effort for people who already are good at something. And
| this is OK.
| bergenty wrote:
| It's not okay. The whole appeal of AI generated art is
| you _don't_ need someone with skills. Photoshop is not
| even close to an analog.
| speedgoose wrote:
| For my usage, dalle 2 is better at understanding or
| creating pictures that are a good start. But stable
| diffusion provides a better resolution and provides more
| settings. I sometimes use them together.
| napier wrote:
| Inpainting comparison between Stable Diffusion and Dalle
| 2: https://twitter.com/nicolaymausz/status/15652902829078
| 48704
|
| Have to confess I haven't been bothered to log into D2
| since the SD beta started. Which is crazy because my mind
| was blown when it first launched back in April, but it
| for now seems like closed AI simply can't keep up with
| the open source community swarm.
| dannyw wrote:
| They will never open it up. They're ClosedAI, because they're
| a for profit company that makes money off their SaaS which
| prohibits reverse engineering.
| jimhi wrote:
| They will open up an API yes. That is different than being
| open sourced. Actually seems that anyone who currently has
| access can try this:
| https://github.com/ezzcodeezzlife/dalle2-in-python
| capableweb wrote:
| Too many products/businesses use "Open" to mean "You can
| use it if you pay" rather than "you can understand how it
| works" or "you can look under the hood".
|
| OpenAI is just another example of a typical SaaS business
| misusing the word to make themselves seem "nicer" than
| they are. Ultimately, it's a for-profit business and it
| will operate as such, shouldn't surprise anybody.
| htrp wrote:
| I wish open AI actually had a SAAS model.
|
| If you want a SaaS model, you should have all of the
| things that the SAAS model supports including premium
| pricing and enterprise tiers, OpenAI needs to get their
| act together on DallE2 as no serious business use case
| will use the consumer pricing and hacked together
| unofficial apis.
| capableweb wrote:
| Maybe we differ in how we understand what "SaaS" really
| is (a debate which is as old as the concept of "SaaS").
|
| For me, if you offer something software-y behind payment,
| and the software can only be accessed online, it's a
| SaaS.
|
| No need to offer premium pricing, enterprise tiers,
| support or anything else. Putting up a online API/UI that
| is locked behind payment, it's a SaaS (in my eyes).
| synu wrote:
| There isn't yet but my company's goal is precisely to make this
| kind of thing accessible to everyone. I don't want to spam and
| we haven't launched yet anyway, but there's a link in my
| profile if interested.
|
| I suspect there will be a lot of companies that build
| businesses out of chaining models together for specific kinds
| of users. The more you can focus on a niche, the more you can
| paper over some of the limitations in the models.
| hailpixel wrote:
| I love that the author shows the whole workflow. It highlights
| how much tweaking and work it takes to achieve a polished output.
| Still amazing how easy it was to chain the networks together.
| synu wrote:
| The creativity happening around AI right now is incredible. I
| came across this recently and was blow away:
| https://twitter.com/xsteenbrugge/status/1558508866463219712?...
| jiggawatts wrote:
| That is spectacular! Keep in mind when watching this that the
| technology to make this has only been available for mere
| _weeks_ , and here's a video that would have taken months-to-
| years to produce using traditional techniques.
|
| _True automation is coming to art._
|
| Mindblowing.
| hackerlight wrote:
| https://twitter.com/TomLikesRobots/status/156567899598691123.
| ..
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| https://twitter.com/remi_molettee/status/1564632028959629319
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| https://twitter.com/matthen2/status/1564192185909739521
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| https://twitter.com/Infinite__Vibes/status/15650454342293340.
| ..
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| https://twitter.com/thibaudz/status/1564892979789045760
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| https://twitter.com/chav_ez/status/1565806042344087552
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| https://twitter.com/zippy731/status/1564616100477820938
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| https://twitter.com/RonnyKhalil/status/1565024524181159941
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| https://twitter.com/remi_molettee/status/1565356181190807553
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| https://twitter.com/remi_molettee/status/1563187170734927872
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| https://twitter.com/replicatehq/status/1564354673108127744
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| https://twitter.com/genekogan/status/1564626995979370505
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| https://twitter.com/ala_art_lab/status/1565984951178346496
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| https://twitter.com/DrewMedina20/status/1565746320953966592
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| https://twitter.com/Aiartitune/status/1565795049102786560
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| https://twitter.com/Aiartitune/status/1563651144806645760
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| https://twitter.com/ala_art_lab/status/1565603328003870720
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| https://twitter.com/pharmapsychotic/status/15642809223625973.
| ..
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| https://twitter.com/Aiartitune/status/1563832168119517186
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| https://twitter.com/socalpathy/status/1565899540451966977
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| https://twitter.com/zippy731/status/1565342075196870656
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| https://twitter.com/makeitrad1/status/1563335226524282882
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| https://twitter.com/mrflosunday/status/1565885053753761792
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| https://twitter.com/TomLikesRobots/status/156488734249359769.
| ..
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| https://twitter.com/EuclideanPlane/status/156421740831482675.
| ..
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| https://twitter.com/erocdrahs/status/1565320455162044417
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| https://twitter.com/Carl_Ingram_art/status/15630745562893967.
| ..
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| https://twitter.com/benscottpye/status/1565352548608778242
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| https://twitter.com/MichaelCarychao/status/15645904797940613.
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| https://twitter.com/AiJoe_eth/status/1564221320916779011
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| https://twitter.com/Carl_Ingram_art/status/15646973666696273.
| ..
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| https://twitter.com/ChekhovEugene/status/1565880769477738497
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| https://twitter.com/originalmaderix/status/15656282243520552.
| ..
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| https://twitter.com/Aiartitune/status/1564177213888643072
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| https://twitter.com/Infinite__Vibes/status/15646387276616581.
| ..
| synu wrote:
| Nice collection!
| orbital-decay wrote:
| Still needs temporal stability to transfer a prompt-
| generated style onto a video. I wonder if it can be
| combined with something like this
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| https://isl-org.github.io/PhotorealismEnhancement/
| jonplackett wrote:
| woah, thanks for the links!
| baxtr wrote:
| Thanks for sharing. They somehow remind me of the VGA
| computer art animations of the 90s. Fond memories.
|
| Couldn't find any links on YT. Please share if anyone has
| them.
| xenospn wrote:
| Old enough to get the reference!
| lhoff wrote:
| Really impressive, thanks for the links.
|
| Has someone a good intro to stable diffusion for someone
| who doesn't know a lot about AI?
| aaron695 wrote:
| cerol wrote:
| Part of me thinks "this is really cool, it's all moving really
| fast", but the other part of me thinks "this is moving too fast,
| aren't people missing something?".
|
| It feels like everyone's so desperate to create or predict the
| next AI unicorn, that no one's paying attention to the
| fundamentals. Gives me weird dotcom bubble vibes.
|
| I still cannot see how this can fundamentally change the fashion
| industry. Fashion is not about design, it's about generating
| desire to buy. You hire models and influencers to showcase your
| items, so people think they can be just like them, you just have
| buy the same piece of clothing. AI doesn't change that. You could
| totally have a niche for AI-generated clothing, but that's it.
|
| Besides, clothes are a physical item. AI can automate the
| generation of a "blueprint", but it is still heavily constrained
| by the physical result. It would be mostly hit and miss. Feels
| more efficient to have designer use their experience to create
| sketches that would actually look good in real life.
|
| All in all, I am amazed as much as I am skeptical of the entire
| synthetic art revolution going on. It's been what? A month? It's
| too soon. Aren't we jumping the gun?
|
| Whatever happened to boring opinions? "Hmm that's amazing, but
| we'll see what happens, it's too soon". I'm yet to be convinced
| of how, beyond being an overall better tool, synthetic art will
| fundamentally change businesses.
| spyder wrote:
| _" You hire models and influencers"_
|
| The influencers can also be generated by AI (or even just 3D
| modelling), since so much of the marketing is digital. And it's
| already happening (mostly in asian countries):
|
| https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/ai-created-influencer-...
|
| These videos are just demonstarting the concept design part
| created by something not even designed for this specific use
| case. It's true that making a product from a concept design is
| another problem. But it's not hard to imagine that AI could be
| trained specifically for this on actual design plans and using
| physically accurate cloth simulation in the training loop to
| generate something that could be actually built. After all if
| AI can improve protein folding predictions why not cloth
| folding :). (OK, it' not completely the same but both are about
| 3D structure).
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| We already have some pretty good sub-millimeter level cloth
| simulations (not using AI but could help AI):
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrdkyv0yXxY
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| And of course people are excited when they have a new tool they
| can use, they try to find more usecases for it and some will
| work out some not. In this case they even have the open-source
| blueprint for the tool so they can finetune it for their own
| ideas.
| bobthepanda wrote:
| There are issues with this, though.
|
| One big issue is that big companies already with some
| regularity rip off boutique designs and then undercut them.
| Big data and harnessing AI will mostly make that situation
| worse.
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| Examples from Shein, a Chinese fast fashion retailer that
| already uses strategies like this: https://www.dazeddigital.c
| om/fashion/article/55146/1/shein-f...
| crazygringo wrote:
| I think you're reading too much into it. It's just a cool
| application of changing clothes in videos.
|
| Nobody presented it as changing the fashion industry. It's
| generating new outfits in a video, and that's _super_ cool.
|
| I don't think anybody's moving too fast or missing fundamentals
| here, at least not yet. This is all brand-new, so people are
| just having a fun time exploring.
| tomxor wrote:
| Yup, i don't think this even applies to fashion, after all
| it's just reconstituted fashion.
|
| The most obvious application of this is to replace, augment
| or make more economic live action computer graphics
| techniques.
|
| That could actually be pretty interesting though, liberating
| even, because it would open up a previously incredibly
| expensive field... giving more access to compete with CG
| previously only available to high budget hollywood. Imagine
| if manipulating a live action scene was as easy as dropping
| some descriptions into some program and paying for a little
| compute.
| bawolff wrote:
| The other application that comes to mind is some online
| shopping virtual outfit try on.
| andreilys wrote:
| _It feels like everyone 's so desperate to create or predict
| the next AI unicorn, that no one's paying attention to the
| fundamentals._
|
| What exactly are the fundamentals?
|
| The transformer revolution is pretty foundational and the
| inability to see the societal impact of this technology can
| only be explained by a lack of imagination.
|
| Majority of peoples time is spent in digital worlds, the
| ability to create synthetic images, text, etc. is going to
| radically alter the way we spend our time online. Both
| malicious and marvelous use cases will be discovered, but to
| hand-wave it all away as a "Dotcom bubble vibe" is tech
| cynicism at its worst.
| yreg wrote:
| NoMoreBro here on HN is also generating fashion pieces:
| https://unshush.com/
| einpoklum wrote:
| Fashion is mostly a scam. The idea that people - especially, but
| not just - women are supposed to replace their wardrobe (*)
| frequently, and that the items in their wardrobe need not last,
| induces artificial consumer demand, diverting social resources -
| especially those distributed among the masses - from more useful
| endeavors (social or private), and is environmentally wasteful.
|
| So, my non-artificial intelligence has generated the following
| new fashion: Last year's.
|
| (*) - Note I'm not saying change clothes on themselves, but the
| set of clothes they own/use.
| teddyh wrote:
| AI images are rapidly becoming just like clip art and stock
| photos: i.e. you can, with some training, recognize the signs.
| And, just like clip art and stock photos, you _should_ recognize
| when an image is used without much effort, since it is probably
| not additive to the context of whatever media it is embedded in,
| and can be safely ignored.
| cerol wrote:
| It might sound unrelated, but many years ago I moved to Europe,
| coming from a South American country. Having spent many years
| "at home", I never bothered much with how _we looked like_ ,
| physical features that you could say stereotypical. But then I
| moved to Europe, and suddenly I could spot people from my
| country from miles away. After years and many places travelled,
| I still cannot describe in words what we look like, but I know
| it when I see. It's a gut feeling.
|
| At least with the photorealistic prompts, there is always this
| feeling of "this doesn't look right". Right now it's easy to
| pinpoint what it is. Usually is a completed distorted face. But
| they might get better at this. But probably there will always
| be that "uneasy feeling".
| devmunchies wrote:
| I worked at an ai startup that was trying to generate products to
| sell. The AI engineers didn't understand that the image isn't
| useful, but only good for judging whether the design looks good.
| It needs to spit out json schematics for the product in a way a
| specific manufacturer can understand.
|
| There's also the problem that AI can't be specific. I can't
| design merch with a specific video game logo or band name. The
| output always has that "AI dream residue".
|
| This is a useful tool only for creative inspiration.
| Wistar wrote:
| Perhaps AI text-to-STL file, ready for 3D printing prototypes?
| Scootwilli90 wrote:
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