[HN Gopher] SMIC reaches 7nm without access to western equipment...
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SMIC reaches 7nm without access to western equipment and
technologies
Author : hunglee2
Score : 24 points
Date : 2022-08-29 15:52 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.techinsights.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.techinsights.com)
| citboin wrote:
| SMIC is " Chinese Semiconductor Manufacturing International
| Corporation ".
| bjourne wrote:
| This Register article has some more meat:
| https://www.theregister.com/2022/08/01/column_7nm_chips_chin...
| lizardactivist wrote:
| It also reads quite accusatory, and with that faint smell of
| arms rally and crazy dictator speech.
|
| I wonder why we here in the West just can't let China have
| their microchips.
| pyinstallwoes wrote:
| Because limiting the growth of silicon is in the interest of
| national security due to AI takeoff risk.
| pyuser583 wrote:
| Why AI specifically?
| tarakat wrote:
| You speak as if China and the West are hermetically sealed-
| off from each other. The West is worried because, just like
| every other strategic industry, China will try to take over
| the global market.
|
| Yes, that's exactly what the West also tried. That doesn't
| mean it doesn't imperil the West to be on the receiving-end
| of these tactics.
| jhallenworld wrote:
| Some 7 nm chips:
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| Apple A13
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| AMD Zen 3
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| Snapdragon 865+
|
| If they never get EUV, but perfect this process, then I suppose
| the above are possible..
| mrlonglong wrote:
| Apparently they stole the tech from TSMC
| hunglee2 wrote:
| there is no claim for this. SMIC does have ex-TSMC employees
| amongst staff though, so perhaps this is what you mean
| senttoschool wrote:
| Got any real legitimate sources?
|
| How can one "steal" something as complicated as 7nm? Did SMIC
| find a full manual on literally hundreds of thousands of small
| little decisions that go into making something as complicated
| as advanced chip manufacturing?
|
| Perhaps they hired people from TSMC? Maybe paid them more?
| Seems like capitalism then.
|
| Also, this is what happens when the US deny China tech. Yes,
| they'll fall behind shortly but they have the manpower, will,
| and intelligence to fill the gap sooner or later.
|
| If the US wants to maintain tech advantage, open up immigration
| and make it super easy for intelligent people to immigrate and
| live here. And welcome them instead of being racists to them so
| they stay.
| cromwellian wrote:
| TechInsights reverse engineered one of SMIC's 7nm ASICS and
| claims a lot of similarities with TSMC's N7 process.
|
| https://www.tomshardware.com/news/china-chipmaker-
| smics-7nm-...
| senttoschool wrote:
| I haven't read the actual TechInsights report. Did they
| plainly accuse SMIC for copying or simply stated that some
| parts of the node are similar?
|
| I see that Tomshardware has added additional commentary to
| make it seem like TechInsights' report is evidence that
| SMIC has copied TSMC.
|
| Western media has a way of spinning any advancement China
| makes as copying the west. Perhaps this is one way for
| westerners to feel superior and deny that the Chinese are
| capable of similar feats.
| jpgvm wrote:
| Copy or not, if it bears resemblance to TSMC N7 that is
| very impressive.
| linksnapzz wrote:
| "If the US wants to maintain tech advantage, it'd better stop
| being so American!"
| senttoschool wrote:
| Walk around Silicon Valley a little. How many high tech
| workers, CEOs, and founders are immigrants or children of
| immigrants? If I have to guess, I'd probably say 80%.
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