[HN Gopher] Derinkuyu, the extraordinary underground city of Turkey
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Derinkuyu, the extraordinary underground city of Turkey
Author : kjhughes
Score : 124 points
Date : 2022-08-28 23:56 UTC (23 hours ago)
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| YouWhy wrote:
| Bret Devereux has recently written a great piece on foraging in
| ancient warfare [1]. TL;DR: foraging adds an unbearable burden on
| an already suffering populace. I can see why the countryfolk of
| Malakopi/Derinkuyu would go to almost any lengths to spare
| themselves.
|
| [1] https://acoup.blog/2022/07/29/collections-logistics-how-
| did-...
| picsao wrote:
| kubi07 wrote:
| There are tons of abondened places like this in Turkey and no one
| cares about them. They are used as barns these days. Turkish
| government probably doesn't even know most of these places but
| treasure hunters loves them.
|
| If you are interested with this stuff check this youtube
| channels.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9f3EQl1eTWrLpS5o1fQMYQ
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN1b69YfMmuX6gOoWQaHI-Q
|
| This Turkish guy is a treasure hunter which is illegal. There are
| many treasure hunter youtubers in Turkey but this guy is the best
| because he is not faking it. I enjoy it alot, highly recommended.
| No English subtitles but you can understand what's going on.
| plausibledeny wrote:
| Though it was amazing that around Goreme there are just miles
| and miles of abandoned cave houses with zero protection, not
| even fenced in. You could just wander through them freely.
| pirate787 wrote:
| The ransacking of pre-Turkish Asia Minor continues...
| kurupt213 wrote:
| Been happening since the bronze age
| JoeAltmaier wrote:
| Better title: Derinkuyu, one of 36 underground cities in Turkey
| WithinReason wrote:
| Maybe the other 35 aren't extraordinary
| tda wrote:
| I find this very fascinating, but when searching for more
| information online I only found very shallow aeticles rehashing
| the same bits of info. Where is the 3d pointcloud of this city?
| Sure the most intricate 3d structure of old os a prime candidate
| for 3d mapping. Actually I did not even find a proper 2d map of
| the place.
|
| https://matterport.com/discover/space/mehu-tomb-mqbrh-mhw of
| derinkuyu would be awesome!!
| jacobgorm wrote:
| I visited there as a child but had forgotten all about it until
| seeing this post. Magical place, though Goreme (where the last
| photo might be from) probably outshines it a little bit.
| yoran wrote:
| I remember visiting this underground city a couple of years back,
| and thinking, what were these people so scared off in the outside
| world that led them to build this? It's an incredible feat, I
| think even with today's tools, let alone back in the day. Very
| intriguing.
| bombcar wrote:
| > Over 200 underground cities at least two levels deep have
| been discovered in the area between Kayseri and Nevsehir, with
| around 40 of those having at least three levels.
|
| I suspect that at least _part_ of it was the ground in the area
| being easy to dig into to make a dwelling.
|
| Dry underground dwellings are very good in general if they can
| be made easily.
| pmontra wrote:
| Non only the ease of digging but also it being self-
| sustaining: it doesn't need reinforcements in roofs and
| walls. In modern times there is something similar in Coober
| Pedy, Australia.
| AdmiralAsshat wrote:
| Well my mind immediately went to the premise of _A Boy and His
| Dog_ or _Space Battleship Yamato_ where the surface was nuked
| and irradiated, but, might be a little premature for that.
| balentio wrote:
| Antiochus was not exactly a nice guy if your beliefs happened
| to not be his.
| MomoXenosaga wrote:
| Religious tolerance is not mankind's strong point. Even in
| the Netherlands which prides itself on religious freedom it
| wasn't until 1848 Catholics were allowed to build churches
| again. It wasn't a popular move.
| pikseladam wrote:
| "You are reading the only book in the world about how to grow
| certain kind of flower. You are drinking your wine, your house
| is enough for your family, your kids playing outside, your wife
| making cloths with her friends. Stable life, happy life... You
| hear a voice, library door is open but crushed with a horse
| kick. A man wielding his sword comes in on top of the horse,
| crushing your skull with it without listening a word of you.
| Your kids probably dead already, your wife and her friends
| taken as slaves. Library is now burning in front of your
| eyes..."
|
| This is how a mongolian raid is like. Thats how our history
| teacher told us. When you look at it like that, it is good to
| start digging so no horse can get in. All city is like a maze,
| there are lots of traps inside.
| flanbiscuit wrote:
| To me, it seems like it was because of wars and raids.
|
| from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu#History
|
| > refuge from the raids of the Umayyad Arab and Abbasid armies,
| during the Arab-Byzantine wars (780-1180).
|
| > The city continued to be used as protection from the
| Mongolian incursions of Timur in the 14th century.
|
| > After the region fell to the Ottomans the cities were used as
| refuges
|
| > As late as the 20th century the town's inhabitants, called
| Cappadocian Greeks, were still using the underground chambers
| to escape periodic waves of Ottoman persecution. (The Cambridge
| linguist Dawkins, who spent time in the towns from 1910-1911
| while writing his book on Cappadocian Greek wrote, "their use
| as places of refuge in time of danger is indicated by their
| name kataphugia. In 1909, when the news came of the recent
| massacres at Adana, a great part of the population at Axo took
| refuge in these underground chambers, and for some nights did
| not venture to sleep above ground
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| Though it wss built to protect from raids, keep in mind every
| instance of it's use you list happened at least a millennium
| after it's creation.
| therein wrote:
| Yeah, definitely not cataclysmic events. Never consider that.
| Always persecution.
|
| People would run away from persecution. Not hide underground
| at the spot they expect to find you.
| tromp wrote:
| Also discussed yesterday at
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32625766
| aaron695 wrote:
| bqmjjx0kac wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu
| [deleted]
| renewiltord wrote:
| Visiting this place was totes fun. We played around inside. Very
| cosy. I remember wondering how safe it would have been to
| actually cook with fire inside. Don't recall what I concluded.
|
| Interestingly, I think there were armed guards around for some
| reason.
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