[HN Gopher] It's now illegal for anyone under 21 to buy canned w...
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It's now illegal for anyone under 21 to buy canned whipped cream in
New York
Author : cwwc
Score : 23 points
Date : 2022-08-28 20:07 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| tenpies wrote:
| I _love_ observing NYC, SF, and LA policies like this because it
| 's so ridiculous.
|
| An under 21 year old can go shoot up any substance - with the
| guarantee that the police won't touch them - at any of the safe
| injection sites, but progessive-heaven forbid that they want some
| whipped cream for their ice cream or want to try a recipe that
| included using one of these gas cartridges.
|
| Canisters on the street? A disturbing eye sore that must be dealt
| with swiftly. Needles on the street? A sign of progressive
| tolerance and a reminder that drug users are the real victims.
| feet wrote:
| That's a non equivalency
|
| Ability to purchase a substance is not the same as being
| provided a space to use a substance obtained elsewhere safely
| to curb overdoses
|
| These policies are about reducing harm, prohibition itself
| increases harm
| 1_1xdev wrote:
| It is ridiculous on the surface, I guess.
|
| But those same progressive governments still make it illegal to
| sell those drugs which can are used in the safe injection
| sites.
|
| So, this seems consistent to me, even if ridiculous on the
| surface, because those more dangerous substances are treated
| the same.
|
| No one's getting arrested for inhaling no2, just like people
| are not getting arrested for smoking weed or for shooting up in
| the safe sites
|
| Edit for clarity: the only thing that's actually ridiculous
| about it IMO is that, obviously, there's a huge proportion of
| people, under 21, buying whipped cream that aren't doing it to
| get high
| protonbob wrote:
| Just use your whip cream in the safe injection sites. Problem
| solved.
| LatteLazy wrote:
| Nitrous seems like about the best drug a kid could use. Basically
| no risks, fast acting fast eliminated, non addictive, no evidence
| of any long term negative effects.
|
| Compare that to basically anything else you can inhale (or
| swallow or snort or inject).
| DaveExeter wrote:
| I think you can still buy whippets in the Village head shops.
| missedthecue wrote:
| Or ebay
| 1_1xdev wrote:
| They're definitely sold. Does this new legislation change
| things? Idk
|
| Weed is openly sold in bodegas and smoke shops in the village
| too, but none of them are licensed
| Lacerda69 wrote:
| The war against drugs is just working great.
| elektrons wrote:
| It really is, for the drugs.
| Maursault wrote:
| This is kind of silly. Nitrous oxide is not harmful unless there
| is so much of it, it displaces the air and causes suffocation, or
| it is abused in such quantity that it causes neurological issues
| like persistent numbness. They should make it illegal for anyone
| under 21 to purchase Scotchguard and the other harmful aerosols
| that are popular inhalents, such as air freshener, deodorant,
| fabric protector, hair spray, vegetable oil spray, and spray
| paint. Those things hurt kids. No one has died or even hurt
| themselves, not ever, inhaling the nitrous from whipped creme or
| whip creme chargers, though people have suffocated on occasion
| when using actual nitrous tanks.
| cantSpellSober wrote:
| > _No one has died or even hurt themselves, not ever, inhaling
| the nitrous from whipped creme_
|
| Sadly, not true (though it's rare)
| https://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/centre-county-coron...
| Maursault wrote:
| > The autopsy shows that Schoenig died from asphyxiation
|
| Something doesn't add up. When you pass out from holding your
| breath, you automatically start breathing again. What must
| have happened is there was so much nitrous being used, and
| not enough ventilation, and the nitrous displaced the air on
| the floor. So he passed out, fell down, and when he would
| have started breathing again normally, there was no air on
| the floor to breathe. No one thought to open a door to let
| the nitrous escape, so the CPR was in vain if there was no
| air to get into his lungs. Then his friends cleaned up all
| the empty whippets before the police arrived, and got their
| story straight: "he did one whippet, and just died," when
| there was probably hundreds of whippets being released in an
| enclosed space, pushing the air off the floor and creating a
| zone of asphyxiation.
|
| So I suspect this is precisely what I described in my post,
| asphyxiation from displaced air on the floor. The nitrous
| itself did not hurt him, it just made him pass out because
| there was no oxygen in his lungs when he was holding in the
| nitrous. What killed him was asphyxiation, not toxicity to
| nitrous.
|
| Decades ago, 2 kids died this way in a pickup truck. They
| even had the windows open, but the nitrous displaced the air
| along the floor, they passed out and folded over, with heads
| below the door-windows, and asphyxiated. More recently but
| still years ago, a high school boy and girl died together the
| same way crawling under a large advertising helium balloon to
| hear their voices sound funny... but there was no air under
| there, so they asphyxiated. The helium itself did not kill
| them, it is inert. The lack of air causes asphyxiation, and
| that is what it is fatal.
|
| So, again, nitrous itself will not hurt you, has never hurt
| anyone ever, but because it is heavier than air, it displaces
| the air, and in an enclosed space it will push out all the
| air, and death by asphyxiation occurs.
| eth0up wrote:
| The term is Inert Gas Asphyxiation, pretty much as you
| described.
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation --
| Approved by Exit International as a reasonably high quality
| method of permanently checking out
|
| See also the 3.19.1981 Columbia incident:
| https://www.wired.com/2009/03/march-19-1981-shuttle-
| columbia...
| alpaca128 wrote:
| > Some 1 in 5 young people uses inhalants by the time they reach
| eighth grade
|
| Well, good thing they now got it under control by fighting the
| symptoms. I'm sure the kids are not creative enough to find
| alternatives /s
| LiberationUnion wrote:
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