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Austrian ISPs Block Cloudflare IP addresses after apparent court
order
Author : the_mitsuhiko
Score : 255 points
Date : 2022-08-28 18:33 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (netzsperre.liwest.at)
(TXT) w3m dump (netzsperre.liwest.at)
| the_mitsuhiko wrote:
| Apparently a copyright holding company ("LSG - Wahrnehmung von
| Leistungsschutzrechten GesmbH") managed to convince a court to
| block IP addresses. Something which in this form wasn't done
| before.
|
| However since those are Cloudflare addresses there is a ton of
| collateral damage.
| johnklos wrote:
| Which is exactly what Cloudflare wants and has planned all
| along.
| sp332 wrote:
| It's pretty much how any CDN would work?
| explaingarlic wrote:
| So what that Cloudflare hides behind the fact that it serves
| a large chunk of the internet?
|
| It's a strategic fact that they use to their advantage, not
| their ultimate evil goal to make your life worse eventually.
|
| I think we're quite spoiled with how much we benefit from
| their economy of scale.
| [deleted]
| xfitm3 wrote:
| Safe harbor provisions are for this exact scenario, we must
| depend on that not corp scale to maintain reasonable
| governing. Safe harbor has come under attack lately,
| unfairly so IMO.
| zaroth wrote:
| The safe harbor has to do with moderation policy.
|
| The historical purpose of safe harbor was to allow AOL to
| have a walled garden without become responsible for all
| the illegal content that snuck past.
|
| IANAL, but DMCA safe harbor doesn't really apply to a
| companies like CloudFlare, nor is it needed, because they
| are not moderating UGC on a publishing platform, they are
| a routing optimization utility.
| cyrix281 wrote:
| Not sure where you saw that the DMCA safe harbor
| provisions apply to moderation policy; It has everything
| to do with Copyright and removal of copyrighted material;
| nothing to do with moderation of UGC. It is directly in
| the name "Digital Millenium Copyright Act".
|
| Content moderation is covered by the CDA section 230;
| completely separate from the DMCA
|
| And it 100% should apply to Cloudflare as well; if
| they're caching copyrighted material they need to respond
| to takedown requests or lose that safe harbor protection.
| Just as it applies to Google for indexing alleged
| copyright material; if you've ever seen that "links
| removed due to DMCA takedown notices" in search results,
| even when they are not hosting said content.
|
| IANAL also, and I don't know how much DMCA stuff is
| handled cross borders (I do believe some DMCA provisions
| are applicable thru trade treaties and the like, but not
| sure); and I do think DMCA takedowns are rife with abuse;
| but content moderation really has nothing to do with it..
| robertlagrant wrote:
| It's not hiding behind that fact. It just is a fact.
| explaingarlic wrote:
| I'm directly replying to: Which is
| exactly what Cloudflare wants and has planned all along.
|
| The idea that it's all planned and was a strategic bid to
| get into a stable business position and so on...
| johnklos wrote:
| They've planned all along to mix bad hosting with good
| hosting to make any attempts to block them, legal or
| personal, cause plenty of collateral damage.
| _flux wrote:
| So to avoid this, how should they have done things
| differently?
| bayindirh wrote:
| Maybe they should have confined "bad" hosting to some IPs
| and disseminated this to countries directly?
|
| P.S.: I'm not serious, of course.
| CrazyStat wrote:
| RFC 3514 would be helpful here.
| bayindirh wrote:
| Ah, yes. That's a much more elegant way.
| hsbauauvhabzb wrote:
| Does the order force blocking of the IP bound to a DNS address?
| Could piracy sites change DNS A records to arbitrary IP
| addresses to deny service to other sites?
| twelvedogs wrote:
| In the past the court hasn't specified how to block sites so
| they're usually blocked at dns level, just point the DNS
| record at one of the isp's ip addresses with a block message
|
| If they really are having to block actual ips I would be
| surprised
| the_mitsuhiko wrote:
| Unclear. I was unable to find the court order so I'm not sure
| where it's coming from.
| riedel wrote:
| Seems that they just wanted to block some piracy sites like
| newalbumreleases.net if you compare the dates and check the
| IPs behind those domains. Wonder however if this actually
| enforced because I think there is no IP block and no
| reports from Austria about collateral damage (or am I wrong
| and Austria cannot complain because they are cut of from
| the internet)
|
| Edit: btw, the domains added with date August 29 are
| already blocked in Germany and some other EU countries for
| a while: https://onlinefilter.info/cuii-dns-
| sperre/newalbumreleasesne... .
| riedel wrote:
| The strange thing is that this order is still not
| published (and has a date of tomorrow): https://www.rtr.a
| t/TKP/aktuelles/entscheidungen/Uebersichtse...
| luckylion wrote:
| I'd be somewhat surprised if a court ordered something vague
| like "block whatever IP that resolves to at any time in the
| future", they'll either say "block these IPs" or "stop
| resolving this domain", anything else would require constant
| monitoring and continuous involvement of the target of the
| order.
| hakre wrote:
| But wait, isn't Cloudflare exactly offering that as a
| service?
| xbar wrote:
| auf Wiedersehen Osterreich
| trasz wrote:
| Not related to KiwiFarms by any chance? (From the downvotes I
| infer that cesspool is somewhat popular.)
| jacko0 wrote:
| Works fine for me in the UK (M247), but when I use a German
| (Telecom) connection or UK (Plusnet) they are blocked.
| austinpena wrote:
| Ironically, wouldn't using WARP by Cloudflare solve this?
| [deleted]
| Lacerda69 wrote:
| Nice best of list of pirate services! A couple of those I didnt
| know, how kind of them to provide this helpful overview.
| musha68k wrote:
| Pirate Streisand effect. Love it.
|
| I'm just wondering about this as Austria historically has been
| very lax about falling for demands of the intellectual
| properties bullies.
|
| Edit: I see it's mostly Austrian film makers (some great ones
| in there to be fair) and Elsevier (yikes!) behind those
| takedown attempts.
| mmh0000 wrote:
| The Piracy subreddit is one of the best sources for staying
| abreast of current pirating options:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/
| bakugo wrote:
| This happens in my country as well. When I first noticed random
| cloudflare IPs timing out, I didn't think too much about it and
| assumed it was some routing issue, but then it happened again and
| again so I did some searching and found some people on the same
| ISP as me mentioning that it conveniently happens when big
| football matches are on, and the dates did indeed line up. No,
| that is not a joke.
| CommitSyn wrote:
| What country, if you care to share?
| bakugo wrote:
| I'd rather not share, but it's not russia.
| coolspot wrote:
| Russia. They also temporarily blocked large chunks of AWS IPs
| back when they fought with Telegram.
|
| https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/russia-
| bans...
| CraigRood wrote:
| I will guess at the UK. Premier League have many court
| ordered blocks on ISPs in place.
| DarkmSparks wrote:
| On the up side. Its only fair that Austria be put at an economic
| and scientific disadvantage for once. Well, whoever signed this
| off must have thought so anyway.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| They're way ahead of you on that. Much like its bigger cousin
| Germany, Austria is in general a dinosaur, technologically,
| culturally and politically.
|
| Low tech wages and archaic working practices, stuffy
| bureaucracy, cash and physical paperwork needed for many
| things, poorly developed, expensive and slow internet
| infrastructure, corrupt and idiot politicians who don't
| understand the modern technology sector, litigious politically
| connected companies who sue anyone they don't like and lobby
| for anti-consumer laws that only benefit their cartel, privacy
| regulations taken to the extreme which mainly protect the
| crooked and unlawful people and businesses from being known to
| the public, etc.
|
| This news isn't surprising to anyone familiar with Austria and
| these intelectual property bullies from the list of companies
| that got the Austrian court to block those IPs is just the tip
| of a huge shitty iceberg in Austrian tech & politics.
| fisf wrote:
| Ha, I reckon you live there. The description is pretty
| authentic.
| cloutchaser wrote:
| They're also like world no 8 in gdp per capita. I think
| they'll be ok.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| GDP per capita isn't the be-all and end-al of statistics
| for defining a country's success. Just ask the residents of
| the Republic of Ireland, the country with the second
| highest GDP/capita in the EU, how they feel about this
| position.
|
| Sure, life is good here, _if_ , you're not a tech worker,
| and that sector become more and more important in
| generating wealth, skilled jobs with a future, attracting
| skilled immigrants to pay taxes, and to project influence
| and soft power globally, that's why so many smart but not
| necessarily rich countries jumped to take advantage of this
| new sector (China most famously).
|
| So a high GDP per capita might not save you in the long run
| if every ambitious tech graduate is leaving your country to
| Switzerland, London, Germany, Ireland, SV, etc. for a
| better environment where they can grow their career and
| earn better salaries, which leads to most tech products and
| web services used in your country all coming from abroad
| because your domestic tech industry is shit since your
| country got complacent and decided to sleep through the
| tech revolution with the idea that you'll "be fine since
| we're 8th GDP/capita in the world".
| scottydelta wrote:
| It's easier for Cloudflare to ban the sites causing this and
| replace the affected IPs than to fight this in the court.
| clever-leap wrote:
| tomp wrote:
| Not that different from the rest of Europe TBH.
|
| Individual freedom, restrictions on government power, freedom
| of speech... all these concepts are not prioritised by, and are
| somewhat foreign to, Europeans
| clever-leap wrote:
| Yes, you are right. Austria is not alone in this behaviour.
| malermeister wrote:
| As a European, I find a lot of these to be euphemisms for
| things that are actively harmful.
| troad wrote:
| > As a European, I find a lot of these to be euphemisms for
| things that are actively harmful.
|
| As a gay man, as the child of parents who grew up under
| totalitarianism: I rather value those things.
| meibo wrote:
| This is very on-brand for the Austrian government, it somehow
| manages to be even worse at these things than the German one.
|
| Fun(and very disappointing) talk in German about their fuckups
| during the pandemic: https://media.ccc.de/v/gpn20-12-die-
| unterhaltsamsten-sterrei...
| manmal wrote:
| Courts act completely separate from the government actually, at
| least in Austria.
| dewey wrote:
| It's nice that they give people a public list of interesting
| websites in case they want to infringe on some copyrights.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| Don't think it works like that.
|
| The people who didn't know about these site before probably
| didn't practice piracy at all anyway, so having this list of
| blocked websites won't help them now anyway as they can't
| access them easily now anyway.
|
| So IMHO these blocks mainly work at stopping Average Joes from
| accessing low-friction, low hanging fruit piracy and annoying
| them enough that they'd rather give Netflix 12 Euros than learn
| how to bypass these annoying restrictions.
| dewey wrote:
| You are probably right, it's just funny that there's a public
| list saying ,,don't go there" which kinda acts like a
| ,,forbidden books" list making it more interesting.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| For broke kids with more free time than money, yeah
| learning to access forbidden pirate sites is cool and
| interesting, but since Austria is a relatively high income
| country, most people I know here don't bother with piracy
| at all and just pay for content anyway.
|
| So blocks like these will definitely discourage more
| Average Joes from low hanging fruit piracy and keep them as
| law-abiding paying customers rather than turning them into
| "hackers".
| manmal wrote:
| Weird, I'm from AT as well and I know people from every
| income bracket who pirate content. Except for elderly
| people, currently.
| dewey wrote:
| It was a joke, don't take it so seriously...
|
| But as an Austrian myself, piracy was alive and well when
| I was in the age group where that usually happens and
| many "regular" people used free streaming sites when
| kino.to and others were still popular.
| zagrebian wrote:
| That website doesn't have HTTPS.
| josteink wrote:
| Good plan. Then he won't need cloudflare to put a HTTPS proxy
| in front of it and get blocked.
| [deleted]
| alberth wrote:
| Australia has been problematic for Cloudflare for 5+ years now.
| [0]
|
| Bandwidth is prohibitive expensive there, and as such -
| Cloudflare has routed around Australia resulting in much higher
| latencies.
|
| Australia has pushed for tech companies to install back doors
| into user data. [1]
|
| Now this.
|
| [0] https://medium.com/@SimonEast/the-declining-value-of-
| cloudfl...
|
| [1] https://www.accessnow.org/closing-backdoor-australia/
|
| EDIT. I have to laugh at myself. I misread this as "Australia",
| not "Austria". Doh.
| chinathrow wrote:
| Article is about Austria.
| Dylan16807 wrote:
| There's an article? I see a list of blocks with no
| commentary.
| [deleted]
| mixologic wrote:
| The headline is about Austria, not Australia.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| croes wrote:
| Just to be sure, you do realize this is about Austria not
| Australia?
| marginalia_nu wrote:
| Austria, Australia; Sweden, Switzerland; and worst of all
| Colombia, The District of Columbia (which isn't a district
| but a state), British Columbia (which isn't in Britain), also
| a small Australian Columbia (which is actually in Australia).
|
| I feel we need to get someone on clearing up this mess of
| confusingly named localities.
| alberth wrote:
| Lol. My mistake. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I just
| updated my post. Whoops.
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| Made the same mistake at first (using old glasses
| prescription is my excuse...). Felt like an Aussie
| government kinda thing to do as well, so it made sense. On
| second thoughts they probably wouldn't need the court order
| ha ha.
| zerof1l wrote:
| Did a check with the Austiran VPN server. The block must be on
| DNS level only. Using google servers as DNS, for example, will
| bypass all of these blocks. Or you can run your own DNS server
| like Unbound.
| mmh0000 wrote:
| Long ago, I used to have my favorite pirate sites bookmarked and
| sometimes the IPs saved. Now, Yandex, is the great piracy search
| engine. Just type in what you want, and in what format you want
| it in, and it'll usually show up within the first 10 results. For
| example:
|
| https://yandex.com/search/?msid=1661717771857485-52510224241...
| godmode2019 wrote:
| Please stop, you are letting the secret out. If too many people
| know yandex will start filtering the results.
| ahmed_ds wrote:
| Yandex is a pretty good search engine. Yandex is essentially
| what people think DuckDuckGo is, on the other hand DuckDuckGo
| is essentially is just Bing.
| prox wrote:
| Isn't Yandex completely Russian? I usually get Yandex with my
| malware as well.
| ipaddr wrote:
| .ru is but .com the other is european based.
| zamadatix wrote:
| My impression was most use DuckDuckGo for privacy reasons so
| it's a bit surprising to read Yandex is supposed to be what
| people think DuckDuckGo is. Also DuckDuckGo sources from far
| more than just Bing and it does have its own crawler as well.
|
| My understanding of Yandex was that it's just another user-
| information-is-primary-income search provider this time HQ'd
| in Russia, neither of which exactly appealing to the typical
| DDG crowd.
|
| Though I'd throw Kagi out to anyone who puts a lot of weight
| on such things as being a more pure example than either.
| thrown_22 wrote:
| >My understanding of Yandex was that it's just another
| user-information-is-primary-income search provider this
| time HQ'd in Russia, neither of which exactly appealing to
| the typical DDG crowd.
|
| A Russian company having my data given the current state of
| relations between it and my government is less worrisome
| than Google having the same.
| z3c0 wrote:
| _Your_ data is useless, no matter where it is. Data on
| the collective of American citizens, however, is not.
| mrgalaxy wrote:
| > Also DuckDuckGo sources from far more than just Bing and
| it does have its own crawler as well.
|
| Do you have a source for this? I'd be interested in reading
| the technicals of merging search results from multiple
| sources.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| They do use their crawler to source some "smart" results,
| but the bulk of ordinary results seems to be from Bing.
| zamadatix wrote:
| When I was looking into it I only found a few high level
| things like https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-
| pages/results/so.... Nothing on how the sausage is made
| unfortunately. Same for Kagi which takes a similar
| layered approach (though anecdotally it seemed a bit more
| spread across backend sources).
| syntaxing wrote:
| This is an awesome pro tip. The results reminds me of the early
| 2010 google results.
| coolspot wrote:
| For most things you can skip Yandex and go directly to the
| rutracker which would be the top result for most things anyway.
| desindol wrote:
| Just google and use site:vk.ru
| WillPostForFood wrote:
| At least in the US, google indexes: site:vk.com
| manmal wrote:
| That yields no results and the hint ,,Some results may have
| been removed under data protection law in Europe." for me.
| WillPostForFood wrote:
| try site:vk.com
| ricardobayes wrote:
| No HTTPS, no party.
| nouryqt wrote:
| https://archive.ph/yByeX
| tsimionescu wrote:
| What do you think HTTPS has to do with IP blocking by your ISP?
| alborzb wrote:
| It's possibly that the commenter is reffering to OP's link
| not being HTTPS?
| tsimionescu wrote:
| I hadn't notice that, perhaps you're right.
| ricardobayes wrote:
| yup
| 8191 wrote:
| Seems to be a specific action/order by mentioned ISP. Using the
| biggest ISP in Austria (A1) still allows access to listed IPs.
| the_mitsuhiko wrote:
| I see failures on Magenta, A1 (in parts), Liwest and Drei. It's
| not constantly blocked which is why I think they didn't fully
| roll it out yet.
|
| Also failures won't happen if you have an IPv6 connection and
| it can connect that way.
| hsbauauvhabzb wrote:
| I live in a country that has also blocked piracy but at the DNS
| level (Australia, not Austria).
|
| I suspect that most anti piracy groups are now moving to long
| game by increasing the difficulty in getting to piracy websites
| rather than blocking them. I remember significantly more seeds on
| popular torrents in 2014 compared to now. I think this is a mix
| of streaming services as well as complexity of piracy.
|
| I do take solice in the fact that piracy will act as a disruptor
| in unruly markets. Advertisement breaks in streaming platforms,
| increased cost per service or service fragmentation and other
| user hostile activities will increase the rate of piracy,
| creating a balance between good and unscrupulous.
| mabbo wrote:
| > but at the DNS level
|
| Isn't this a bit like taking the phone numbers out of the phone
| book? Sure, people can't easily look them up, but if you _know
| the right numbers_ , you don't need that.
|
| Or is there more than that?
| lormayna wrote:
| Several ISP have appliances that can inspect DNS traffic and
| redirect to a the ISP DNS. Then, even if you change DNS
| servers, you will be not able to reach blocked sites. The
| only way to bypass that, at the moment is to use DoH.
|
| Source: I have been worked for an ISP and I was in charge of
| that.
| Ayesh wrote:
| There was some real shit going on with some Indonesian ISPs
| downright blocking connections to known public DNS
| resolvers (8.8.8.8, 1.1.1.1, etc). Dangerously close to the
| China-level firewalls that block known VPNs as well.
| politelemon wrote:
| > Then, even if you change DNS servers, you will be not
| able to reach blocked sites.
|
| Is this done simply by intercepting UDP port 53 requests
| somehow? I've only ever had to intercept https as part of
| development, but have no idea how this would work for UDP.
| Any details you can share?
| NavinF wrote:
| Yep that's exactly how it works. Not all ISPs actively
| intercept and reply to your queries, but the rest still
| monitor all port 53 traffic and log your queries.
|
| Naturally, a lot of HNers hate encrypted DoH which solves
| both the active MITM and passive monitoring problems.
| Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25344358
| folmar wrote:
| We just prefer the small local ISP monitoring our queries
| to Google and Cloudflare doing so, as the ISP does not
| learn a lot more than already at hand - they know the IPs
| I connect to anyway.
| derkades wrote:
| Simply direct all outbound DNS traffic to your own DNS
| server. You could do the same for your LAN by adding a
| port forward rule in your router (for LAN, not for WAN
| like you usually would to get incoming traffic around
| NAT)
| brian_cunnie wrote:
| My mother's cable provider, Optimum Cable, routes DNS
| traffic to their own DNS servers.
|
| To make matters worse, they engage in gratuitous blocking;
| for example, they won't resolve addresses of private
| networks (192.168.x.y, 10.x.y.z, etc...). For example,
| 192.168.1.1.nip.io won't resolve on my mom's network, but
| will almost everywhere else.
|
| The solution, as another poster pointed out, was to use
| DNS-over-TLS.
| cesarb wrote:
| > for example, they won't resolve addresses of private
| networks (192.168.x.y, 10.x.y.z, etc...)
|
| That's called "DNS rebinding protection", and it's meant
| to protect against DNS rebind attacks
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_rebinding).
| eknkc wrote:
| Dns over TLS has been a life saver due to this shit. I've
| my modem exposing its own dns server but using a dns over
| tls upstream instead of my ISP. Works perfectly.
| mabbo wrote:
| Could I not just put the IP address in my url bar? Or do
| browsers go through DNS with that anyway?
| cortesoft wrote:
| That usually won't work. If a site uses SNI and has many
| sites behind a single IP (like cloudflare, for example),
| the server won't know which host's content to respond
| with.
|
| If it isn't a shared IP, your own browser will block it
| because of a cert mismatch.
|
| The best way to do this is to update your own /etc/hosts
| file to point the domain at the correct IP.
| gsich wrote:
| It's supposed to be a measure against technically non-savy
| people. It might work since a lot of people are not aware of
| DNS.
| twelvedogs wrote:
| Yeah no one really cares that it's not super effective in
| Australia though.
|
| the courts order blocks, the ISPs block it at dns because
| it's cheap and easy and pirates are either scared off by the
| warning message or just use Google dns
|
| It's good enough and mostly non disruptive
| Yujf wrote:
| Dns blocking is exactly like that. I don't live australia,
| but if I go to the piratebay for example with my isp dns I
| get a message it's blocked. If I change to google or
| cloudflare dns it works just fine
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| Malwarebytes won't let me near any of them. Take from that what
| you will (they are genuinely harmful, or someone wants them
| blocked, or a bit of both?)
| [deleted]
| scarfolk wrote:
| My ISP is Plusnet (a subsiduary of British Telecom) and half of
| those IPs resolve to http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk.
|
| I don't know whether the DNS is being resolved first, but in the
| url it's listing the IP:
| http://www.ukispcourtorders.co.uk/?JNI_URL=104.21.36.27/&JNI...
| ...
|
| My DNS is Quad9 over TLS.
| [deleted]
| whiterock wrote:
| Hmm, I am a LIWEST customer myself, but libgen.is is not blocked
| for me - so are they really blocking IP adresses? I am using
| 1.1.1.1 as my DNS.
|
| Edit: Okay i tried a few links now - many show a ,,this domain is
| for sale" page, while some work - so I dunno what to do with
| that...
| Akronymus wrote:
| Energie AG here, nothing seems blocked for me.
| the_mitsuhiko wrote:
| The IP addresses on the bottom of the list are blocked. For
| instance you can check a host which only has a single blocked
| IP on and you won't be able to navigate to it. For instance
| preis-zone.com or www.skodacommunity.de are fully unavailable
| right now since both the IPs on that domain are blocked
| (188.114.96.12 and 188.114.97.12) when resolved from Austria.
|
| Some cloudflare worker page are also not loading correctly. A
| reply I got on twitter pointed out that you cannot load
| urbanarrow.com from Austria properly (for me it gets stuck
| after language selection).
|
| Also you are more likely to see failures if you are only using
| IPv4 as some hosts also answer to IPv6.
| ARandomerDude wrote:
| If the comments here are correct, the Austrians told Cloudflare
| "you'll go a-waltzing matilda with me." Or however you say that
| in German. Mate.
| raffraffraff wrote:
| Wow. Are they basically turning off a large chunk of the internet
| for Austria?
|
| *Fixed
| whiterock wrote:
| the other Australia, the one in Europe, you know Freud, Mozart,
| Schwarzenegger, Hitler, that Austria.
| moomin wrote:
| Don't forget Arnold Schoenberg and the Von Trapp Family
| Singers.
| mkurz wrote:
| Also Johann Holzl, better known as Falco. And of course
| Josef Mayrhoff, better known as Josef Fritzl... (He changed
| his name in Prison)
| reichardt wrote:
| Austria--Schnitzel not kangaroo.
| wizofaus wrote:
| The two aren't at all mutually exclusive, just so you know!
| mabbo wrote:
| Kangaroo schnitzel sounds intriguing but gamey.
| wizofaus wrote:
| No more than venison schnitzel. Lots of good recipes
| online.
| wizofaus wrote:
| And now that we're already totally off topic...does
| "gamey" actually mean anything other "having flavour that
| we're not inured to or been watered down to lowest-common
| denominator tastes?"
| trasz wrote:
| Perhaps, but there are many methods to make meat less
| gamey, and I suspect most of them was invented before the
| current blandness set in, which suggests it wasn't
| welcome in the old days either.
| wizofaus wrote:
| Supposedly it's related to iron content.
|
| But I'm baffled at the Oxford definition returned by
| Google: "having the strong flavour or smell of game,
| especially when it is high". There are very similar
| definitions that use "tainted" or even "spoiled" instead
| of "high". I think I'd rather my roo steak tasting of
| marijuana than of rotten flesh.
| rr808 wrote:
| Lets put another shrimp on the bar-b.
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hOLm_k6eCs
| reaperducer wrote:
| The last time I was in Austria, all of the tourist shops had
| t-shirts with one of those Australian kangaroo crossing signs
| on it and the text "No kangaroos in Austria."
| fit2rule wrote:
| whiterock wrote:
| we have to. our country is confused for Australia so often,
| we just HAVE TO sell these shirts.
| manmal wrote:
| Yes. Not only once did shops in the US ship my stuff to
| Australia instead of Austria.
| mig39 wrote:
| Austria.
| [deleted]
| rvz wrote:
| Austria. Not Australia.
| trompetenaccoun wrote:
| Sci-hub and LibGen blocked for Elsevier. So that only people able
| to pay hundreds of dollars have access tho scientific papers and
| books.
|
| Stay classy, "free" societies.
| manmal wrote:
| Fortunately some Scihub domains are not blocked in Austria, you
| just gotta try some.
| raverbashing wrote:
| It seems it's blocking the domains, not the IPs, so I guess it's
| more at DNS level
| the_mitsuhiko wrote:
| They used to do DNS blocking for years which you could easily
| bypass by using a different DNS provider. Today they added IP
| addresses (see bottom of the list).
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