[HN Gopher] search.marginalia.nu: A Theoretical Justification
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search.marginalia.nu: A Theoretical Justification
Author : notpushkin
Score : 30 points
Date : 2022-08-24 21:53 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| marginalia_nu wrote:
| Just a warning, this text is both fairly dated with its
| description of how the search engine works, and fairly
| incomplete. Was just today thinking about expanding on it.
|
| There's a lot to be said about how search engines not only
| mediate the Internet as it exists, but actually shape what gets
| created. If you want free and independent websites, you need a
| free and independent internet mediator that lets people find and
| partake in such a community online. That is not Google, nor
| Reddit, nor Facebook, nor Twitter.
|
| Right now, while a sort of stubborn counter-culture exists in the
| fringes of the internet, it's just a shadow of what the internet
| could be. Small websites just can't compete against the SEO-
| industry on Google. So they're almost impossible to find, and
| struggle to find visitors. It's a real tragedy how many brilliant
| and fascinating websites are languishing in obscurity. Instead we
| get listicles, content farms, click funnels.
|
| I think ultimately, for the sake of both culture and democracy,
| what we need is a service akin to a public library, to complement
| the shopping mall that is Google Search. (Although even the
| commercial side of search is pretty lacking, but that is a
| separate problem)
| cmeacham98 wrote:
| I hate SEO-optimized garbage as much as the next person, but I
| don't see how this avoids that problem other than being small
| enough that nobody is optimizing for your search engine.
|
| If this was to become popular I suspect it would be overflown
| with SEO garbage just like Google. I guess that means we can
| use it while it lasts.
| marginalia_nu wrote:
| I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced I'll ever get big enough
| for that to be a problem. Even if I'm 5 times bigger than
| every current competitor to Google combined, I've only got
| few percent of the market share.
|
| But sure, even if that would happen, I have an ace up my
| sleeve. An devastating and incredibly simple way of limiting
| spam, which is to go for the wallet and de-rank sites for
| having ads.
|
| Google could and would never do that, of course, because they
| are selling the same ads. It would undermine their entire
| business model. This conflict of interest is the core of
| Google's search engine spam problems.
| qsort wrote:
| SEO only exists because search engines are user-hostile
| garbage. Imagine being able to blacklist domains from your
| results. That would basically solve the problem, because the
| first time you encounter spammy garbage you'd simply nuke it
| forever.
|
| You could even have pre-made open source lists. Basically
| ublock origin for SEO crap.
|
| In a very real sense, it only happens because it's being
| allowed to happen.
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