[HN Gopher] US bans export of tech used in 3nm chip production o...
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       US bans export of tech used in 3nm chip production on security
       grounds
        
       Author : orionion
       Score  : 38 points
       Date   : 2022-08-15 18:55 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.theregister.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.theregister.com)
        
       | chmod775 wrote:
       | There's no way they'll be manufacturing "3nm" chips this decade
       | without ASML selling them the machines to do so, while this would
       | delay them by months at best.
       | 
       | This makes no sense unless the US expects ASML to ship EUV
       | machines to China _very_ soon, because now China will be prepared
       | if they receive such machines later and it likely won 't slow
       | them at all. They will know to source materials elsewhere and I
       | have little confidence in software export bans working in this
       | day and age.
       | 
       | Surely the US would pick an inopportune moment to yank this away
       | from China to inflict maximum chaos and delay development as much
       | as possible. What prompted this to happen _now_? Are they about
       | to acquire EUV machines somehow?
        
         | wmil wrote:
         | > What prompted this to happen now?
         | 
         | The State Department expected that they'd be able to pressure
         | China into going along with the Russia sanctions. China did
         | not. Now the State Department feels threatened and is trying to
         | show China who the big dog is.
         | 
         | There's been a string of minor insults going back and forth.
         | 
         | Pelosi went to Taiwan.
         | 
         | China announced the will no longer cooperate with non-citizen
         | extradition requests from the US.
         | 
         | A bunch of other stuff I've forgotten.
         | 
         | This is just the next item in the series.
        
       | sparker72678 wrote:
       | > Announced Friday by the US Commerce Department's Bureau of
       | Industry and Security (BIS) and enacted today, the rule will ban
       | the export of two ultra-wide bandgap semiconductor materials, as
       | well as some types of electronic computer-aided design (ECAD)
       | technology and pressure gain combustion (PGC) technology.
       | 
       | > In particular, the BIS said that the semiconductor materials
       | gallium oxide and diamond will be subject to renewed export
       | controls because they can operate under more extreme temperature
       | and voltage conditions. The Bureau said that capability makes the
       | materials more useful in weapons.
       | 
       | Do SaaS providers of these kinds of software now have to kick off
       | Chinese customers?
        
         | blacksmith_tb wrote:
         | SaaS? The ban is all about hardware and materials.
        
           | DerekL wrote:
           | ECAD is software.
        
             | trillic wrote:
             | Code is speech.
        
               | verdverm wrote:
               | not all speech is protected
        
               | freemint wrote:
               | Not all code is speech.
        
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