[HN Gopher] Katskhi pillar in Georgia: One of the world's most i...
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Katskhi pillar in Georgia: One of the world's most isolated
churches
Author : Tomte
Score : 62 points
Date : 2022-08-11 06:32 UTC (2 days ago)
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| quercusa wrote:
| There are very similar formations in the Shenandoah Valley of
| Virginia. Well worth a side trip from I-81. But no monks or
| stylites to be seen.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Chimneys
|
| https://gohikevirginia.com/natural-chimneys/
| pyuser583 wrote:
| Apparently the stylite tradition is still around.
| isaak wrote:
| For several monasteries perched on steep rock pillars check
| Meteora in Central Greece
| once_inc wrote:
| For a very successful debut album on deep rock beats, check
| Meteora by Linkin Park.
| perihelions wrote:
| - _" A number of local legends surround the pillar. One of them
| has it that the top of the rock was connected by a long iron
| chain to the dome of the Katskhi church, located at a distance of
| around 1.5 km from the pillar.[1]"_
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katskhi_pillar
|
| Is that plausible, for medieval engineering? Are there other
| examples like this?
| CptFribble wrote:
| According to Google, a typical chainmail hauberk could have as
| many as 45,000 10mm rings - if we assume that 2cm rings are not
| excessively more difficult to make than 10mm rings, then 45,000
| 2cm rings linked end-to-end would stretch around 900m long.
|
| Even assuming the chain didn't float in the air and instead
| draped down the rock and along the ground, it would likely take
| "only" 3-5 chainmail hauberks' worth of rings to cover the
| distance.
|
| It wouldn't be an easy task, but there were far more than 5
| people in medieval times with full sets of chainmail armor, so
| it's definitely not outside the realm of possibility.
| onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
| > it would likely take "only" 3-5 chainmail hauberks' worth
| of rings to cover the distance.
|
| It would take a lot more metal, though!
| CGamesPlay wrote:
| It feels like it would snap under its own weight well before
| that, though, unless it was suspended from multiple points.
| MichaelCollins wrote:
| > _for medieval engineering? Are there other examples like
| this?_
|
| Nails. This single Roman fort in Scotland had nearly a million
| iron nails, all of them hand made:
|
| > _When it was excavated in the 1950s by Richmond, a large pit
| was found in the summer of 1960 containing 875,400 complete
| iron nails (Square shaft) ranging from 50-410 mm (2-16 in) plus
| another 28 (round shaft nails) weighing 7 tons, together with
| other iron objects, including cartwheel rims weighing a
| combined total weight of ten tonnes (Inchtuthil Nails by "Roddy
| Fraser")._
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inchtuthil
|
| That's just one fort in a remote frontier of the empire. They
| were mass producing stuff like this, by hand.
| smcl wrote:
| I can highly recommend Georgia to visit, lovely place, friendly
| people, amazing food, amazing wine.
| 9991 wrote:
| Unfortunately the cigarette smoking is out of control. If that
| kind of thing bothers you, skip the whole country.
| specproc wrote:
| That's changed a bit in recent years. No more smoking inside,
| but yeah, it's a tobacco loving place.
| daniel-cussen wrote:
| You know I count that as a plus. I can't possibly go back
| to smoking, but enjoy it when others smoke, enjoy second-
| hand smoke, am a smoker sympathizer, have romantic memories
| of smoking, sometimes feel closeness to women while they
| smoke.
|
| But don't smoke myself. I also think cigarette companies--
| especially American and British--should develop minimally-
| addictive cigarettes, like with no cadmium, and actually
| clean out the radiation from radium, which they're capable
| of but didn't decide to do. Just more freedom in the
| cigarette, the choice of whether to smoke or not for every
| single item in the pack. More choice.
|
| Georgia sounds perfect.
| duskwuff wrote:
| > minimally-addictive cigarettes, like with no cadmium,
| and actually clean out the radiation from radium
|
| I'm rather confused what you're proposing here. The
| presence of cadmium has nothing to do with the addictive
| properties of cigarettes, which are largely mediated by
| nicotine.
|
| As far as I'm aware, cigarettes do not generally contain
| any meaningful amount of radium.
| andwaal wrote:
| Second this! Went there sking some years back, one of the most
| remarkable and amazing places I have been. Resort of Gudauri
| offers amazing skiing, with the possible do some short hikes to
| do some world class offpist runs. Transitioned to other side of
| the country to Mestia, equal amazing skiing but even more
| amazing place.
| smcl wrote:
| Me and some friends are planning a skiing trip for winter and
| were considering Italy, Slovakia and Austria (or just going
| somewhere in Czech Rep). I never thought to consider Georgia,
| though! Thanks for the tip, just checking it now :D
| IceMetalPunk wrote:
| dang wrote:
| Please don't post flamebait to HN. Religious flamewar in
| particular is the last thing we need here.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
| _-david-_ wrote:
| If you are interested in remote churches here is a list of the
| ones in Antarctica
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_churches
| kijin wrote:
| If you're not particularly fond of Christian churches, there are
| also loads of shrines and temples perched on top (or sticking out
| of the side) of impressive cliffs and pillars in China.
|
| https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/hanging-temple-hengshan
|
| https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2019/04/a-photo-visit-to-m...
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| Giorgi wrote:
| As a Georgian might I add something: Unfortunately monk on that
| pillar is fucking piece of shit, before church there was a
| remnants of pre-Christianity worship (phallic pillars were
| popular) of fertility up there, asking for archeological works,
| but he either destroyed or removed artefacts completely.
|
| Next to that pillar, there was rock climbing route sponsored by
| government of Germany for Georgians, rock climbers worked for
| years to install it - he fought them physically to remove it, by
| his words - nothing should go higher than worshiping of his
| imaginary gods.
|
| So, yeah - while Georgia is super underrated religious people
| like him ruin everything.
| michaelsbradley wrote:
| Christus vincit!
| balentio wrote:
| > before church there was a remnants of pre-Christianity
| worship (phallic pillars were popular) of fertility up there,
| asking for archeological works, but he either destroyed or
| removed artefacts completely.
|
| > nothing should go higher than worshiping of his imaginary
| gods.
|
| So he should leave the remnants of everyone else's imaginary
| Gods? You can't really have it both ways here.
| BazookaMusic wrote:
| He shouldn't leave the remnants of everyone else's imaginary
| gods. He should leave archeological artifacts intact so that
| they can be studied and displayed.
|
| By the same logic, should the monks of medieval times have
| burnt texts from antiquity instead of copying them for
| preservation?
| specproc wrote:
| gaixare
| MichaelZuo wrote:
| I'm surprised a rope and platform hoist was never added to move
| supplies up.
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