[HN Gopher] A captured American spy plane that crashed during a ...
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A captured American spy plane that crashed during a Hungarian
pleasure flight
Author : loriverkutya
Score : 66 points
Date : 2022-08-05 06:23 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (telex.hu)
(TXT) w3m dump (telex.hu)
| colechristensen wrote:
| Sounds like a center of gravity problem. Incorrect weight
| distribution in a plane can make it uncontrollable, where the cg
| is in relation to the wing significantly changes the flight
| characteristics. Especially if you are to, say, try to make some
| impressive turns for your new lady friend in the cockpit.
| chx wrote:
| Tangential.
|
| The lead says "crashed into a high-rise building in Zuglo during
| a sightseeing flight in Budapest" but as the article details
| later, it didn't crash into such a building. If you know the area
| this is even more confusing because there is a unusually high
| sixty meter high building very close
| https://i.imgur.com/3a7EiQ4.png and people vaguely know it's from
| the sixties, however this rather hideous building was built in
| 1965. In the 60s, the regime was mostly building mid rise
| concrete buildings with very few high rises as an architectural
| sign of triumph. This particular building in Zuglo was for a few
| years one of the highest buildings in Budapest and certainly the
| highest apartment building. Even today the highest apartment
| building is only 71 meters high.
|
| Another very Hungarian story about high rises is the one in Pecs.
| It was the highest building in the country at 82m built using
| novel Yugoslavian technology 1974-1976. Due to rushing the
| construction and skipping a very small amount of necessary
| special material, the pretensioned cords holding the building
| together rusted, the residents were evacuated in 1989 and
| eventually the building got demolished in 2016. Skipping a bucket
| of special "inhibitor" material -- seriously, for the entire
| building that was all needed -- and a few sheets of plastic in
| the mid 70s then ignoring the troubling findings of checkups in
| the early 80s leading to the inevitable loss of the building is
| just archetypical of socialist Hungary.
| dfgdfgsffgdfg wrote:
| HN readers are notoriously sensitive to clickbait titles. It is
| routine for moderators to make small modifications of article
| titles, a state of affairs which frankly I find mind-bogglingly
| fussy and a waste of resources. But maybe the denizens of HN are
| really so petulant that it's a necessity.
|
| In this case, though, I think we could all be saved a bit of
| clickbaiting and wasted time if the words "spy plane" were
| replaced by "Douglas DC-3". This is not an exotic aircraft type
| such as the U-2.
| haunter wrote:
| Why do you have to make a throwaway account for this comment
| though?
| RajT88 wrote:
| The petulant comment probably he was afraid of burning Karma
| on, is my guess.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Much more informative than any other comment here,
| including mine. To throwaway HN poster: thank you.
| smcin wrote:
| I'm not that poster but their post is valid
| djmips wrote:
| Spy planes don't have to be exotic.
| indigodaddy wrote:
| Wow if that is a news site, its design and UX is a breath of
| fresh air! No ads/clean, scroll to the bottom and the bottom of
| the site is clear with a nice little index and only a few little
| internal only article links.
|
| I cannot wait for a world where all the traditional online news
| sites are back to an inoffensive and untiring design like this,
| instead of the shameful spam links everywhere and especially at
| the never ending scroll/bottom of the sites. That is the worst
| experience ever, and compared with a lovely site like telex.hu,
| the difference is profoundly stark.
| YetAnotherNick wrote:
| Not sure if we are looking at the same thing. But for me, this
| this is not lightweight by any standard. It is using 26 MB
| resources(in which images are just a small part), has a dark
| pattern in cookie reject, also not sure what it is doing to
| scrolling but it is very janky if I scroll fast.
|
| Edit: Also time to interactive is 5s which is poor by any
| standard:
| https://pagespeed.web.dev/report?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftelex.hu%...
| codazoda wrote:
| What a difference. I left when the entire content was covered
| by a pop up modal, probably a cookie confirmation, but in a
| language I couldn't read.
| indigodaddy wrote:
| I was on Chrome iOS. Wonder if their mobile site has fewer
| ads.
| DrJokepu wrote:
| Telex.hu is a news site. It is one of the vestigial remains of
| the free press in Hungary.
| playingalong wrote:
| I do see ads.
| indigodaddy wrote:
| You're right I missed one. I guess it was fairly unobstrusive
| to me.. main thing I noticed though was the lack of the
| endless scroll with the spam ads. If every site could get rid
| of that, I'd be very pleased.
| adventured wrote:
| The UX gets a big fat negative point for hijacking the
| scrollbar in a negative way; they make it very skinny, on
| Firefox it's particularly obnoxious.
| AkshatJ27 wrote:
| One of the few sites where i wouldnt mind temporarily disabling
| my adblocker
| zokier wrote:
| > However, its fifth trip was irregular from the moment it took
| off because, although the plane weighed 145 kilograms below the
| maximum load limit, as we have mentioned before, it was carrying
| too many passengers: Although only ten tickets had been sold, 17
| adults and six children were on board
|
| 145 kg below maximum seems very low for the number of passengers
| on-board? Especially for a short pleasure flight where you
| wouldn't have much luggage/cargo nor I'd expect the plane to be
| carrying full tanks of fuel either. According to Wikipedia DC-3
| carries 21-32 passengers (depending on configuration).
| kurupt213 wrote:
| my money is on funny business with the ladies in the cockpit.
| once the pilots fell out of their seat it was over
| krisoft wrote:
| With today's sensibilities the idea that you would fly civilian
| passengers regularly on a captured airplane sounds crazy.
|
| An airplane like that is basically unsupported. You have no idea
| if your maintenance is adequate or if they have discovered any
| flight safety issues with the type. How would you know the
| provenance of your spare parts? Are they the right stuff or the
| rejects from some scrapyard? What if you discover a minor issue
| who do you contact to check if any corrective action is needed?
| "So about your airplane we confiscated a few years ago: the fifth
| spar has a longitudinal crack. Bela recons he can drill it to
| stop it from further propagating. Can we still fly it?" Would be
| a funny conversation.
| somat wrote:
| Eh, it's was a dc-3, not only a very well known aircraft, the
| soviet union actually manufactured them under license as the
| li-2. So a well understood airframe.
|
| The aircraft in question was rewinged at one point, and the
| engines replaced with the the soviet engines used on the li-2,
| I would guess they understood the airplane well enough.
|
| Reading a couple of articles it sounds more like they were
| having too much fun on their excursion flight.
| trentnix wrote:
| "Pleasure flight" sounds a whole lot more scandalous than a
| sightseeing trip.
| mwint wrote:
| I just ELFOGADOM'd something. I have no idea what that means but
| it made the dialog go away, so I'm happy.
|
| Is this what GDPR working was supposed to look like?
| rob74 wrote:
| It means "I accept", but I guess you already figured that
| out...
| somat wrote:
| Probably just your normal case of overzealous newspaper headline.
|
| However the plane in question was a dc-3(the military variant
| c-47). So not a "Spy" plane. Also it had 4 people on board. This,
| as far as I can tell, was the normal military flight crew (pilot,
| co-pilot, navigator, and radio operator), that is, no additional
| crew to operate any sort of spying apparatus.
|
| I guess if I am feeling conspiratorial, the orders "Go fly over
| Hungary, noting radio frequencies and air space intrusion
| responses" could have been given, but I am inclined to believe
| the wikipedia page which states they got lost on the way to
| belgrade. However I am sure the hungarian government claimed they
| were spying. So I will forgive the headline.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Mal%C3%A9v_Hungarian_Airl...
|
| I think the interesting thing I learned was that the soviet union
| manufactured the dc-3, and that this predated the war, the soviet
| union bought a design license from Douglas in 1936 and Lisunov
| spent two years in the us learning how to build them.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisunov_Li-2
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