[HN Gopher] An ARM Server That Is Banned in the US
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An ARM Server That Is Banned in the US
Author : PaulHoule
Score : 30 points
Date : 2022-08-05 16:18 UTC (6 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.servethehome.com)
| classichasclass wrote:
| The undocumented BMC is what gives me the most pause.
| Patrick-STH wrote:
| That one was an eye opener for me too.
| 1-6 wrote:
| "There is also a BMC based on a chip we could not find
| information on via Google."
|
| Red flags, literally.
| justsomehnguy wrote:
| It's been a while since I worked with Huawei servers (x64
| though).
|
| Their build quality is decent, but the firmware were not quite up
| the game at that time. But they pumped new revisions like hot
| cakes.
|
| > Many companies in China are choosing Ampere over these Huawei
| Kunpeng 920 chips, and it seems like that is for good reason.
| Ampere Altra Max is twice the core count per socket and is
| socketed.
|
| I guess whats when you can choose your platform. This one is for
| the government.
| phendrenad2 wrote:
| It's hard for my brain to accept that the US literally bans its
| citizens from selling equipment containing chips from Huawei. You
| can't even sell them for reverse-engineering or hobby purposes.
| einarfd wrote:
| Huawei and the USA has some history. The first Huawei product
| was a line of routers that had the same names (Cisco gave all
| their routers a numbers as their names), same features, ports,
| command interface, and even same bugs. As the corresponding
| Cisco routers.
| count wrote:
| Don't forget that was a _joint effort_ by 3Com w /Huawei.
|
| The debug messages even still said Cisco. It was ridiculous.
| CodeSgt wrote:
| Wow! I've never heard of thus. How were the counterfeit
| servers eventually discovered to be counterfeits? Sounds
| like this went pretty deep.
| pixl97 wrote:
| There are tens of thousands of pages of products that cannot be
| imported into the US from particular companies. This is not
| particularly unique. Start importing stuff from around the
| world and you'll quickly find yourself in deep legal trouble if
| you do not understand the law here.
|
| This isn't just the US either. I would say the vast majority of
| countries have comprehensive import laws.
| HeyLaughingBoy wrote:
| I had a customer in Italy once. There is a such a
| ridiculously long list of items that can't be imported into
| Italy that I can understand why so many companies don't take
| overseas orders.
| [deleted]
| pipeline_peak wrote:
| Huawei has also faced allegations that it has engaged in
| corporate espionage to steal competitors' intellectual
| property, and in 2019, was restricted from performing commerce
| with U.S. companies, over allegations that it willfully
| exported technology of U.S. origin to Iran in violation of U.S.
| sanctions.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Huawei
| wbsss4412 wrote:
| What's hard to accept about it?
|
| The US has existed in a state of national security paranoia for
| a long time.
| toolz wrote:
| Yeah, I mean there are a lot of things the US does that
| appears "normalized" to the point that you maybe just see an
| angry tweet about it every now and then, but that's it. Those
| things are still hard for me to accept.
|
| e.g.congress from both parties have what feels to me like
| extreme conflicts of interest when dominating the stock
| market (handily beating out every hedge fund returns across
| many congress members). It's like sports players being able
| to bet on the outcome of their own game, when they are almost
| capable of guaranteeing a certain outcome.
| beefok wrote:
| It's not paranoia when foreign adversaries actually _DO_
| attack national security.
| wbsss4412 wrote:
| 1. I never said it was unfounded.
|
| 2. I'm unaware of an instance where huawei was used to
| attack the US.
| beebmam wrote:
| There's good reason: Huawei is entirely owned by the Communist
| Chinese government, a government which has shown itself to be
| committed against American interests and democratic interests
| around the world, and a government which has itself ordered
| Huawei to use its technology to spy on its political
| enemies.[1][2]
|
| 1. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/04/30/huawei-china-
| business-r... 2.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Huawei#Espionage_...
| someweirdperson wrote:
| You can't even have chocolate with toys inside [0]. Think of
| the children!
|
| [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder_Surprise
| lovingCranberry wrote:
| This made me think of the encryption export ban. Looks like
| there are still some restrictions:
|
| > Militarized encryption equipment, TEMPEST-approved
| electronics, custom cryptographic software, and even
| cryptographic consulting services still require an export
| license[9](pp. 6-7). Furthermore, encryption registration with
| the BIS is required for the export of "mass market encryption
| commodities, software and components with encryption exceeding
| 64 bits" (75 FR 36494). In addition, other items require a one-
| time review by, or notification to, BIS prior to export to most
| countries.[9] For instance, the BIS must be notified before
| open-source cryptographic software is made publicly available
| on the Internet, though no review is required.[10]
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...
| bpye wrote:
| I wonder what counts as "custom cryptographic software"?
| [deleted]
| deepdriver wrote:
| Huawei destroyed Nortel through grand-scale espionage and
| robbery. They openly support the Uighur concentration camps and
| totalitarian surveillance in China's Xinjiang province. Banning
| import of their products to the US and Canada is a moral,
| economic, and strategic imperative.
|
| https://aragonresearch.com/cyber-war-flashback-the-huawei-ha...
|
| https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/14/22834860/huawei-leaked-d...
| bell-cot wrote:
| > Huawei destroyed Nortel through grand-scale espionage and
| robbery.
|
| At least according to Wikipedia (
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nortel#Accounting_restatements
| ), Nortel had some epic accounting issues long before the
| hacks (of both Nortel & Cisco) which your source claims.
| Cisco is still around.
|
| Perhaps Nortel self-destructed, with no more help from Haiwei
| than Enron or Bernie Madoff needed, and it feels better to
| blame Dark Lord China for Bad_Thing happening?
| deepdriver wrote:
| The hacking of Nortel, which goes back at least to the year
| 2000, started around the same time Dunn began messing with
| the numbers:
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| https://archive.ph/TZM9A
|
| Whatever other issues Nortel had, the theft of their IP,
| internal communications, and strategic plans certainly
| didn't help.
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