[HN Gopher] Even parental leave in Europe could be better
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Even parental leave in Europe could be better
Author : melanieb421
Score : 20 points
Date : 2022-08-01 16:18 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| confuseddesi wrote:
| Have we been able to find any correlation between better parental
| leave and people being more likely to have kids/more kids? What
| is the goal of this improved parental leave?
| nso95 wrote:
| Quality of life
| bouzouk wrote:
| I am currently in the exact same situation, also in France. And
| it seems to me that the more we see the progress that has been
| made on gender equality (by simply talking to your parents... or
| looking at the US) the more we see the long road ahead: - why do
| I have to leave my wife and baby alone at home for many weeks? -
| why do every nurse, pediatrician or midwife makes you feel like a
| outsider (sometimes with this nice condescending remark: << Oh
| nice, I see that the father has came >>) - in many maternity, why
| do fathers need to fight to stay with the mother and baby (in
| France, some I know literally hid in the closet so they were not
| kicked out in the evening!) - why do I need to go to the women
| restrooms and face judging looks simply to change my baby?
|
| The worst of it is that, in the end, it sometimes feels easier to
| fit into the mold and be a bystander in your baby first months.
| But I am fighting hard this tendency.
| rayiner wrote:
| The pay during parental leave in Europe is also low. In France it
| is capped at about 3,500 euros per month. A software engineer or
| someone like that might not be able to afford to take a
| significant parental leave even if the law allows them to take
| one.
|
| Parental leave should really be set up as a simple insurance
| system. Require employers to get insurance on workers that would
| cover X months of leave at full salary. In the long run it's just
| not very much money compared to a person's total salary over a 40
| year working life.
| popotamonga wrote:
| In Portugal, the pay is 80% but tax free so in high salaries
| you end up with a massive profit (taxes can reach 50% easily)
| bouzouk wrote:
| True, but in France almost all companies will also supplement
| so you can have a full salary.
| haunter wrote:
| Why change the title?
|
| "You're not people-first until your parental leave policy is"
| container wrote:
| Also, it could have just said "France" instead of "Europe".
| morsch wrote:
| _I live in France, and as of July 2021, the law allows for 25
| days of paternity leave._
|
| Wow, I had no idea; that's awful. In Germany parents share 14
| months at two thirds of their average salary (capped at 1800
| EUR each, though). Moms get another 6 weeks before their due
| date. You're also entitled to more time, unpaid.
| viraptor wrote:
| > capped at 1800 EUR each
|
| Is that a cap per week or per month?
| mattimatti wrote:
| month. Generally salaries and such payments in Germany
| are per month.
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