[HN Gopher] Greg can't use encrypted apps and must open his phon...
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Greg can't use encrypted apps and must open his phone for police at
any time
Author : adrian_mrd
Score : 32 points
Date : 2022-07-31 21:56 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.abc.net.au)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.abc.net.au)
| anothernewdude wrote:
| Sounds like Australia to me.
| motohagiography wrote:
| After a discussion with a lawyer friend (not australia, canada,
| so tangentially related), the "presumption of innocence" that
| would not obligate this person to have or produce a key for
| whatever gibberish someone sends to their devices, is what's
| known in legal circles as a "principle of fundamental justice,"
| and it is not a right that is either absolute or inaliable the
| way that american rights are set up.
|
| One doesn't need to agree with the persons cause to recognize
| this is another extreme overstepping of authority on the part of
| that government to mandate that the people who communicate with
| the person subject to this order may also not protect their own
| commuications from interception, and that the person subject to
| the order must somehow produce a key for whatever data gets sent
| to him.
|
| Given the cynical application of laws and their moderating
| charter exceptions in places like Australia and Canada over the
| last few years, I could forsee a new republican movement emerging
| in commonwealth countries, as it's pretty clear CAN/AUS/NZ have
| dispensed with notions of fundamental justice, and have a "so sue
| me," approach to legislation and governance, as this stuff is
| just too stupid to be reasoned with. The language means nothing,
| the principles mean nothing. It's no longer about tech, it's
| about what our options are when the state has demonstrated
| official contempt for the people it ostensibly serves.
| kgeist wrote:
| I just checked that the right against self-incrimination exists
| in Australia, too. Isn't it a violation of this law to require
| someone to tell their passwords?
| deathgripsss wrote:
| This seems incredibly Draconian for a climate protestor. Would
| this prohibit him from accessing cryptocurrencies?
| anothernewdude wrote:
| Dude is a climate activist. I think other things preclude him
| from cryptocurrency.
| e12e wrote:
| Not only that; this is before a guilty verdict!
|
| > Mr Rolles has pled not guilty and is awaiting trial.
|
| And it certainly seems extreme:
|
| > Mr Davis said one of his clients had been pulled in by police
| after they reacted with a "thumbs up" emoji to Facebook
| comments shared by friends who were also allegedly part of
| Blockade Australia activities.
|
| > "A thumbs up, it's not much in terms of communication," the
| activist told the ABC.
|
| > "The fact that the state finds that threatening -- people
| talking and sharing our ideas -- is very telling."
|
| > No breach of bail charges were ultimately pursued over the
| "likes".
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