[HN Gopher] How a cable modem works (c. 2002)
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How a cable modem works (c. 2002)
Author : jqcoffey
Score : 43 points
Date : 2022-07-30 15:31 UTC (1 days ago)
(HTM) web link (support.usr.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (support.usr.com)
| teeray wrote:
| > All data that is present on the downstream is encapsulated into
| MPEG-2 frames.
|
| In other words, "you're now watching The Internet Channel(tm)"
| formerly_proven wrote:
| Only slightly more ridiculous than the ADSL encapsulation
| stack.
| password4321 wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31358855#31362310
|
| MoCA: _run your ethernet over the cable tv coax in your house_
| gregmac wrote:
| Does anyone remember early cable modems allowing viewing other
| computers? What allowed that to happen?
|
| I didn't know enough about networking at the time, but I recall
| seeing this at friends houses in maybe the late 90's. You could
| go into "Networking" in Windows, and see basically all the PCs on
| the street/neighborhood. I assume this was with the PC directly
| connected (no router) and maybe using WINS, but I'd be curious if
| there's more details behind why this could even happen. Did this
| also mean you'd be able to sniff other people's network traffic?
| p_l wrote:
| Essentially you were linked into badly managed network that
| inter-routed clients on the head end side, without isolating
| clients. Often with ethernet emulation involved if not straight
| ethernet going on.
|
| Essentially, routing done badly by ISP.
| crancher wrote:
| When I moved to Santa Monica (Los Angeles) in January 2000 I
| made many text files on neighbor Mac desktops explaining how
| having sharing turned made their private files available to
| everyone in the 'hood via their cable modem.
| Aloha wrote:
| I do! It was before they started blocking NetBIOS over TCP/IP.
| bob1029 wrote:
| I do recall this. There were so many insane networking issues
| that cropped up in the early days of "always-on" internet.
| grubbs wrote:
| You also used to be able to plug in any standard docsis cable
| modem, change DNS, and you'd have free internet.
| ninkendo wrote:
| IIUC, old cable modem networks were all one simple circuit,
| such that there was no unicast traffic. Much how Ethernet hubs
| used to work... everyone who transmits would be communicating
| with everyone else's cable modems on the same node, not just
| the gateway. So it was trivially easy to spy on others'
| traffic, and if you plugged your computer straight into the
| cable modem (and didn't use a router of your own), it was
| pretty much as if you were on a LAN with everyone else on the
| same node (basically your whole neighborhood.)
|
| In the beginning of cable modem rollout, consumer routers were
| not yet common either, so most people were plugging straight
| into their modem. Cable companies encouraged this, and would
| charge for additional cable modems if you wanted to use more
| than one computer.
| [deleted]
| a-dub wrote:
| > That 6 MHz is used to encode MPEG-2 frames containing video,
| color, and audio information that your cable box or TV decodes
| into picture and sound. If you graphed a single channel provided
| by the cable operator, it would look similar to Figure 2-2.
|
| > A DOCSIS channel can be graphed in the same fashion; however,
| instead of video, color, and audio information inside the MPEG-2
| frames, it contains a data stream that represents computer
| information. Due to the "spectral shaping" of a data signal,
| there are no video or audio signals present, and the graph looks
| like Figure 2-3.
|
| this seems wrong. i think figure 2-2 is an analog ntsc video
| channel and figure 2-3 is a digital mpeg-2 or docsis over mpeg-2
| channel. both of the digital channels should have the same
| spectral envelope.
|
| interesting that they put mpeg-2 headers on the data frames,
| probably "system" frames and done so for compatibility with
| existing headend and stb equipment.
| drmpeg wrote:
| It is incorrect. As you state, a video/audio channel and a
| DOCSIS channel would look the same on a spectrum analyzer.
|
| Here's a sweep of all the channels (from 80 to 750 MHz) on my
| Comcast system. This was taken back in 2014, and there were
| still three NTSC channels (two of which were just a black frame
| and silence).
|
| https://www.w6rz.net/span.png
|
| A zoom of the last channel at 729 MHz.
|
| https://www.w6rz.net/last.png
|
| MPEG-2 Transport Streams are used for DOCSIS because it's baked
| into the QAM specification. It's built around 188 byte packets
| that start with 0x47.
|
| https://wagtail-prod-storage.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/ANSI...
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