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Comite Liquidant Ou Detournant Les Ordinateurs (C.L.O.D.O.) (1983)
Author : 317070
Score : 36 points
Date : 2022-07-23 07:13 UTC (15 hours ago)
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| ornornor wrote:
| > Computer tools are undoubtedly perverted at their very origin
| (the abuse of the quantitative and the reduction to the binary
| are proof of this) but they could be used for other ends than the
| ones they now serve. When we recognize that the most computerized
| sector is the army, and that 94% of civilian computer-time is
| used for management and accounting, we don't feel like the loom-
| breakers of the 19th century (even though they fought against
| dehumanization in their jobs). Nor are we defenders of the
| computer-created unemployed... if microprocessors create
| unemployment, instead of reducing everyone's working-time, it's
| because we live in a brutal society, and this is by no means a
| reason to destroy microprocessors.
|
| They're no entirely wrong either, and 40 years later I can't say
| we're thaaaat far off from what they describe here. Of course
| they couldn't imagine how computers are used for constant
| surveillance (or advertising as we like to call it), but still
| not that far off.
| googlryas wrote:
| > abuse of the quantitative and the reduction to the binary are
| proof of this
|
| I'd love to hear more about this, because it seems like they're
| just lacking in imagination.
|
| And it seems they were attacking the tools instead of society
| itself, and it was bound to fail(which it did). It's like
| breaking a knight's sword in the middle ages, and thinking the
| knight will just go home and go to sleep without his sword. No,
| he'll just find some other way to kill you. Or repair his sword
| so it is even stronger than before.
|
| I also extremely doubt the efficacy of their "timebombs"
| libcg wrote:
| Clodo = tramp
| zahma wrote:
| More like slang for homeless or a bum.
| einpoklum wrote:
| As a service to my fellow readers, some relevant (IMHO)
| historical context...
|
| > Grenada
|
| A small island country in the west indies:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenada#/media/File:Grenada_on...
|
| > Reagan attacks Grenada
|
| So, in a nutshell Reagen claimed US citizens were threatened by
| evil Marxists... and proceeded to invade and overthrow the
| government. The real reasons are up for speculation, but this was
| definitely part of the Cold War against the USSR.
|
| The invasion occurred in 1983, when the CLODO crew was
| interviewed.
|
| https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/united-states-in...
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| Grenada had been a colony fought over by Britain/the UK and
| France; both members of NATO alongside the US (as was the case in
| 1983). Many Europeans - then and now - feel their countries
| foreign policy has been more-or-less hijacked by the US since
| 1945, in particular for a cold war against the USSR, and in
| suppressing independence movements in former colonies, when they
| did not lean towards accepting US hegemony.
| katkatkatkatket wrote:
| Where do I sign up?
| [deleted]
| lumberjack24 wrote:
| These folks must be retired by now and they have lived enough to
| find out they lost their crusade against computers.
| csdvrx wrote:
| Good! The last thing we need with supply chain issues is actual
| luddites destroying infrastructure.
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