[HN Gopher] Chessguessr - Wordle for Chess Games
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Chessguessr - Wordle for Chess Games
Author : Assioss
Score : 110 points
Date : 2022-07-20 08:26 UTC (14 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.chessguessr.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.chessguessr.com)
| synu wrote:
| Would love to be able to draw arrows as I think the puzzle
| through.
| Assioss wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback!
| WilTimSon wrote:
| Good lord, this is by far the toughest of these Wordle variations
| that I've seen. Doesn't help that I'm rubbish at chess, of
| course, but still. Creative, though, never would have thought of
| something like this.
| qsort wrote:
| Great concept! Today's puzzle is kinda easy but I love the game.
|
| A couple ideas:
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| - Adjustable time controls? An OTB 90 30 game is not the same as
| an online 5 0, would be interesting to see the difference.
|
| - Adjustable ratings? It's probably bad humor for terrible
| people, but it would be really funny to try and guess what
| happens in a low-rated game.
| Assioss wrote:
| Thanks for the feedback! For now I'm selecting games where they
| play near-optimal moves or where the continuation is somewhat
| logical, so that you could narrow down the options by combining
| several logical continuations into one guess. I think it would
| be really hard to solve if an illogical bad move appeared in
| the line. However, since I'm storing the solve percentage of
| each puzzle, it would be fun trying it now and then to compare
| the difficulties.
|
| Adding OTB games is a good idea. I am thinking of adding some
| classical games, but I'm not sure if I'll have a new category
| or just add them to the regular daily ones.
| im3w1l wrote:
| I only got green and grey squares before solving it. What does
| orange signify?
| mjs7231 wrote:
| Correct move at the wrong time.
| joeframbach wrote:
| Suggestion: when I correctly guess the first n moves, the next
| iteration should autofill those correct moves for me. Don't make
| me repeat the first n moves I had correct.
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| Chessguessr #29 2/5
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| green green gray red gray
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| green green green green green
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| https://chessguessr.com
| xtracto wrote:
| Is it possible to see the right set of moves after failing?
| neogodless wrote:
| In the final scoring modal, the moves are linked:
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| https://lichess.org/J8HKQ0Fy/white
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| It's at the same point; press the "Play next move" button in
| the bottom right.
| hammeiam wrote:
| Anybody have a link to the original game? I went 0/25 and could
| use a hint
| tarentel wrote:
| White's threatening to win a piece. There's a pretty nasty
| discovery in the position. Once you find the first move the
| rest should follow pretty quickly.
| difflens wrote:
| Great idea! I did something similar for a weekend project that
| folks can checkout at
| (PauseTheVideo)[https://pausethevideo.vercel.app] if they're
| interested. We're big fans of Agadmator at DiffLens and made that
| site as a tribute to his videos! I haven't had time to update it
| with the latest videos, but there are about 10 games currently
| from the candidates tournament. The idea is to find the best move
| in the position to win the game!
|
| The website is not complete yet but the games are definitely
| play-able.
| makoto12 wrote:
| I dunno hey. It doesn't really make sense to have puzzles as a
| wordle. Because there _should_ be one correct solution from the
| outset. The chess wordle to guess the opening makes much more
| sense in the context of wordle games https://jackli.gg/chessle/
| Enginerrrd wrote:
| I actually really disagree.
|
| The one I just played, I guessed in four. But the key thing I
| like about this format is that you're evaluating all the
| tension points in a position, and then figuring out what the
| order of operations needs to be. So on my third guess, I got
| all but the second move right. Then I had to work backwards and
| forwards to figure the rest out.
|
| I quite liked it. Ostensibly, the same is true in a puzzle, but
| in this format there's more opportunity for trial and error to
| discover more about the position you might not have seen in the
| first glance.
| shric wrote:
| It's not a puzzle, it's taken from a game, so the sequence
| isn't necessarily always the strongest moves
| makoto12 wrote:
| oh fair enough. concept still a bit weird for me. not sure
| why i want to be guessing suboptimal moves from a position.
| But i should play it a bit to see if i'm wrong :)
| Assioss wrote:
| I try to carefully pick games where you don't have to guess
| amongst random bad lines. There could be several logical
| continuations, and then you could combine variations into
| one guess to narrow it down. In that sense, some of the
| same Wordle strats apply. Consequently, most of the
| positions are taken from games between high-rated players,
| where their moves are logical or near-optimal. Two of them
| have featured world champion Magnus Carlsen.
| makoto12 wrote:
| That's really cool. I'm rethinking my opinion :) I think
| it really depends on the positions that you curate. I
| tried todays one, and managed to get it in 5. so
| definitely not easy and makes you think a bit more like
| how players at that level think.
| anjc wrote:
| Grandmaster moves are likely more optimal than any guesses
| an average person will make
| libraryatnight wrote:
| I think this is my problem. I play chess full games only once
| in awhile, but I play chess puzzles every day on chess.com,
| so I keep scrutinizing for a "correct" move.
| tarentel wrote:
| Chess puzzles always have one solution. I don't know how this
| game was picked but the solution to this particular puzzle is
| the only solution. There are certainly other moves that could
| be played in this position but they are all losing as far as I
| can tell. Assuming every position from every game chosen is
| like this it sort of makes sense but as someone who does a lot
| of chess puzzles I don't see how this is much different from
| just normally doing chess puzzles.
| indigo945 wrote:
| No, I am pretty sure you are wrong. Rb6 Rc8 .. Rxe6 Rxc7 ..
| Rxf6 was played in the game, but Rb6 Rc8 .. Qb7 Qe8 .. Rxf6
| is an alternative line with the same idea.
|
| OK, I just checked, the computer says I'm wrong. I am wrong
| because black can instead go Rb6 Rc8 .. Qb7 Qc4 .. Rxf6
| Qxf1!.
|
| Also, you're still at least a bit wrong because the computer
| thinks since black is already losing, it should go for Rb6
| Re8 .. Rxe6 R8xe6, black giving up the queen for the rook in
| order to protect the bishop in the end. But yes, that's a
| computer idea.
| DannyPage wrote:
| I went 0/25 for correct moves, but I see by the solution that I
| did move the correct pieces at times. Perhaps that could be given
| the yellow color to highlight which pieces are involved?
| Otherwise novices like me are stuck if they never find that
| initial move.
| Assioss wrote:
| I am planning to add a third color for the correct piece, but
| wrong move. Just need to find out what to do if it _also_
| yellow. Maybe show both colors? I'll figure out something.
| Thanks for the feedback!
| Misdicorl wrote:
| I'd suggest that the current yellow isn't very useful. Right
| piece wrong move=yellow seems much closer to the spirit for
| me
| mjs7231 wrote:
| I was actually in the opposite boat. Right move, wrong time
| was intuitive and I would be lost if a box was yellow and I
| actually made a wrong move. Maybe "right piece wrong move"
| could be a yellow outlined box with grey inside or
| something.
| navan wrote:
| I have seen some other language wordles use yellow or green
| coloring of upper diagonal part when the consonants is right
| but wrong sound. That could be an approach. See how to at
| https://solladal.github.io/wordle-tamil/. (I don't think
| there is translation. But pictures should give the idea)
| Assioss wrote:
| That's what I went with. I have implemented this feature
| now: https://user-
| images.githubusercontent.com/1413265/180040056-..., but
| haven't deployed it yet. Thanks for the suggestions!
| chippy wrote:
| love it, i like chess puzzles but have never been able to play
| the ones in the newspaper or in books. So its good to undo, and
| see things visually (I know chess fans do it all mentally though)
|
| Didn't win it, got 2 greens and one orange at best!
| tarentel wrote:
| Chess.com and lichess both have puzzles, the latter are free
| and you can play through them like this, sort of, except you
| only make moves for one side.
| halfjoking wrote:
| i like it. I just think it's a bit annoying to re-enter the moves
| you got correct last guess. It should reset to start, and animate
| the ones you got correct automatically and give a big X when you
| come to the wrong guess. It would be a more interactive reveal.
| Assioss wrote:
| Thanks, good idea! I can see some cases where you don't
| necessarily want to play the same correct 3 moves - if you just
| want to test a bunch of other moves to get more information
| (yellow/greys). But there could be a button to automatically
| play the moves you've already gotten right.
| 6581 wrote:
| Make the previous green guesses clickable to play them again.
| Assioss wrote:
| Good idea
| anjc wrote:
| Great concept. I'm not doing so well though :) Seems like a good
| way to internalise notation
| yreg wrote:
| I thought the --guessr suffix was for GeoGuessr-like games and
| the --dle was for Wordle-like games.
| hnbad wrote:
| But chessdle doesn't quite roll off the tongue.
| Assioss wrote:
| I bought the domain before I knew what I was gonna do with it
| :D
|
| But I have plans for some extra modes or games that are less
| Wordle-like. They're not exactly GeoGuessr-like either,
| although being dropped onto a chess square and finding out
| whether you're on c3 or g6 could provide some fun!
| derbOac wrote:
| FWIW, I think this is a really cool idea but to me it also
| seemed like the comparison with Wordle was a bit unusual. But
| I'm fatigued by Wordle variants, so maybe it's just me trying
| to view it through a different lens.
| throwaway23236 wrote:
| Got it in 4, I really like that at the end you put what game it's
| from!
| jeffrallen wrote:
| I misread this as cheese-guesser and, as a Swiss, got super
| excited!
| Zizizizz wrote:
| Nice! Got it in two, hello new daily routine
| borski wrote:
| Similar to Chessle, though that's just for openings:
| https://jackli.gg/chessle/
|
| Neat!
| Assioss wrote:
| Thanks for all the feedback! I've now added a third, red color
| that indicates that the correct piece type was moved, but not
| necessarily the correct piece.
|
| https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1413265/180053121-...
| ditesh wrote:
| Love it, thanks for creating it!
| downboots wrote:
| Creative. So anything with a linked list can be 'wordled'?
|
| One thing to watch out for
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transposition_(chess)
| mighty_plant wrote:
| I wanted to try it but it doesn't work with my Pixel dark mode
| Assioss wrote:
| Yeah I have gotten some reports that dark mode plugins could
| mess up the board. If you can turn it off for specific
| websites, I suggest doing that, and rather use the dark mode on
| chessguessr.com.
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