[HN Gopher] Living with Models
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       Living with Models
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 28 points
       Date   : 2022-07-14 21:05 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | golemotron wrote:
       | Hard to know whether Bray is coining a new word, "truggle", or
       | that is a typo of "struggle."
       | 
       | My vote is for the new word.
       | 
       | It would fit "struggle as a side-effect of training."
        
         | jjtheblunt wrote:
         | He's making fun of the failure of autocorrect ML models, I
         | believe
        
       | naillo wrote:
       | > And remember, the ML model is never on your side; its primary
       | agenda is the agenda of whoever paid to have it built.
       | 
       | AGI ads will be wild.
       | 
       | (Hopefully it'll be so good it actually improves my productivity
       | in society and realizes just sucking out my resources via my
       | attention isn't as gainful longer term.)
        
         | SkyMarshal wrote:
         | That sounds like the inverse paperclip problem. Instead of
         | sucking up all resources in the world maximizing for paperclip
         | production, the AGI recurses that out and realizes the end
         | result is no more paperclip production, and chooses something
         | else.
        
           | zmgsabst wrote:
           | Inverse Paperclip Problem:
           | 
           | - AI gets told to make paperclips
           | 
           | - AI considers turning planet into paperclips
           | 
           | - AI instead turns humanity into star faring race because
           | then it can turn many planets into paperclips
           | 
           | - AI eventually establishes galactic empire based around
           | mining asteroids for paperclips metals
        
             | SkyMarshal wrote:
             | - heat death of the universe eventually occurs because all
             | mass in the universe has been turned into inert paper
             | clips.
             | 
             | :D
        
               | zmgsabst wrote:
               | I'd suggest:
               | 
               | - AI establishes warp network between galaxies; nano
               | machined "smart" paperclips power AI technology
               | 
               | - AI establishes universal empire
               | 
               | - paperclips that can compute with subspace become the
               | dominant life form, akin to paperclip based "grey goo" on
               | the scale of super clusters
               | 
               | - AI develops warp gates to "younger universes" across
               | the inflationary fractal to acquire new resources for
               | more paperclips
               | 
               | I think the key aspect of the Inverse Paperclip Problem
               | is that you need to keep inventing reasons to expand and
               | build more paperclips.
        
       | brian_herman wrote:
       | I thought this was living with supermodels not ml models sigh.
        
         | badrabbit wrote:
         | Me too, I really wanted to know what it would be like
        
           | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
           | Probably like this:
           | https://www.cartalk.com/radio/letter/wisdom-supermodels-0
        
       | dane-pgp wrote:
       | Is the title a reference to the comedy web series of the same
       | name from a few years ago?
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQy1fPyHsOHhS8ODcqlGW9Q
        
         | derac wrote:
         | 28 subs? Probably not
        
           | sfblah wrote:
           | That series is sort of amazing. A ton of effort for so few
           | views. Maybe it's posted somewhere else where it got more
           | views?
        
             | dane-pgp wrote:
             | > Maybe it's posted somewhere else where it got more views?
             | 
             | The videos on that channel definitely seem to be reuploads.
             | Not only are they not in chronological order, but they have
             | an upload date of 2020, despite the original crowdfunding
             | campaign (for season 1) promising a DVD release in 2012.
             | 
             | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jeffnewman/living-
             | with-...
        
             | danielEM wrote:
             | > That series is sort of amazing
             | 
             | Well, if it is acting as a hobby and fun, then more than
             | amazing! If it is kind of "wannabe" actor then not that
             | great any more ;-)
             | 
             | But with one agree completely, looks like quite an effort
             | comparing to views.
        
       | cranky908canuck wrote:
       | >> In particular, it's completely f...ing useless on classical
       | music.
       | 
       | Almost every bit of music cataloguing software seems to be CFU
       | for classical. It's built around the "album of tracks" model,
       | without any notion of subgroupings (like a filesystem with no
       | subdirectories), or a notion of multiple performers involved.
       | 
       | Now that being said, cataloguing classical recordings is a pain.
       | The least worst way seems to be by ensemble type, for most
       | "reasonable" collections that gets you most of the way. Not to
       | say other genres aren't, just that you often have dumb things
       | that hinder discoverability, eg., the 'filler' piece that screws
       | up the obvious one place to file the disc.
       | 
       | There's a reason why librarianship is a discipline.
        
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