[HN Gopher] 52% of YouTube videos live in 2010 have been deleted
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52% of YouTube videos live in 2010 have been deleted
Author : oidar
Score : 69 points
Date : 2022-07-14 16:31 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| sithadmin wrote:
| An excellent self-hosted tool for data hoarders that want to
| preserve YouTube content:
|
| https://github.com/tubearchivist/tubearchivist
| whoomp12342 wrote:
| aka 52% of youtube from the era where it was fun have been
| deleted.
|
| badger badger badger badger mushROOM MUSSHROOOMM!!
| CrazedGeek wrote:
| That specific video actually predated YouTube itself:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badgers_(animation)
|
| And it's still up on YouTube: https://youtu.be/EIyixC9NsLI
| [deleted]
| zucked wrote:
| That started as a flash animation, right? So. many. wasted.
| hours. watching flash animations. It's amazing how quickly
| flash disappeared after the dominos were set in motion.
| themadprogramer wrote:
| I guess you can say that it FADED LIKE A FLASH :}
| wongarsu wrote:
| Twitter used to provide all Tweets to the Library of Congress for
| archival, until the library decided it wasn't worth the effort to
| continue adding that much data. I'm not sure who would be in a
| position to archive YouTube for the future. Does the Internet
| Archive make snapshots?
| themadprogramer wrote:
| There was something of a brokered agreement between Archive
| Team/Twitter to upload a fraction of Tweets to the IA. That
| too, unfortunately, ceased some time last year. Either way you
| might want to take a look at
| https://archive.org/details/twitterstream
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Natively, not to my knowledge. Tooling is available though.
|
| https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup
| barrysteve wrote:
| It's probably time to start saving the videos you like if you
| haven't already.
|
| I still remember when Key and Peele's whole catalog (or a lot of
| it) was available on youtube back in 2015-2016. For a brief
| window of time.
|
| Some of my favourite songs with 10s of millions of views have
| been taken down. Many niche videos don't get reuploaded.
|
| No guarentees that youtube will keep your unique or exclusive
| videos publicly available. Every video is fair game for deletion
| at any moment.
| yunohn wrote:
| > No guarentees that youtube will keep your unique or exclusive
| videos publicly available. Every video is fair game for
| deletion at any moment.
|
| TFA is about reuploads and other kinds of user content, that
| was not kosher in the first place. These may be deleted by
| YouTube.
|
| Your examples are about IP and content ownership changing
| leading to video being removed by the channels themselves.
| That's a different problem, not solvable by YT.
| FrenchDevRemote wrote:
| >I still remember when Key and Peele's whole catalog (or a lot
| of it) was available on youtube back in 2015-2016. For a brief
| window of time.
|
| Is there a lot of stuff missing on Comedy Central?
|
| I've discovered them on Youtube(I'm european), it seems like
| there is a tooon of content from them, is it just a small part
| of what they did?
| andrew991116 wrote:
| Their show also included standup comedy/overarching plots in
| between the skits that are not available on YouTube
| [deleted]
| AinderS wrote:
| Youtube also does its best to prevent you from downloading
| videos, to leave no record of the past.
| BonoboIO wrote:
| Don't give them ideas :D
|
| They will start selling the past to us. YouTube Archive Plus.
| remlov wrote:
| If you're comfortable in the terminal the following works great
| for archiving: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
| moonshinefe wrote:
| I had issues with youtube severely capping my download speeds
| using youtube-dl, but had success with https://github.com/yt-
| dlp/yt-dlp
| remlov wrote:
| Doh. This is what I initially wanted to link to in the
| comment. yt-dlp definitely is the better fork, and they
| seem to address YouTube breaking changes faster than
| youtube-dl.
| NetBeck wrote:
| YouTube is deleting pre-2010 videos, meanwhile anything is still
| possible at https://www.zombo.com
| MrYellowP wrote:
| I've clicked that.
|
| There's a circle, with circles around, with something around
| one of these smaller circles. All of it is spinning. I've
| managed to click the spinny thingy and it turned into quadratic
| spinny thingy.
|
| That's all.
|
| What the fuck?
|
| Please explain!
| saurik wrote:
| Did you forget to turn sound on?
| jjulius wrote:
| How old are you? It's possible that you may be outside of the
| generation that would've appreciated it during it's peak.
| themadprogramer wrote:
| You knew what you were signing up for. Your imagination is
| the only limit at zombo.com
| willcipriano wrote:
| It's revolutionary tech, web 5.0 at least, not everyone
| understands.
| MichaelZuo wrote:
| The web of the future needs to be beyond numbers entirely.
| schlauerfox wrote:
| That's it. It's Zombo com. The difference is it's been
| reliably the same since 1999.
| Wowfunhappy wrote:
| Exactly.
|
| (You're not missing anything.)
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| Would love to crowdsource an effort to buy enough disk space to
| backup YouTube to the Internet Archive and have ArchiveTeam
| perform the archival op.
|
| Assuming ~35PB of content stored at YT, should cost roughly $70M
| for IA to buy the necessary storage infra and maintain it into
| the future (their costs are ~$2/GB for perpetual storage).
| the_biot wrote:
| If you've spent any time on YouTube, it's painfully obvious
| much of it is not worth archiving at all. Clearly if you had
| some critera to select videos that are worth preserving, this
| task would become a lot more doable.
|
| But what could those criteria be?
|
| You can't just select out all those fast-talking "influencers"
| that shill and lie their way through hours worth of video just
| because they're shit, because sometimes those videos have
| thousands of people that DO like them, making them perhaps
| interesting to a sociologist 300 years from now.
|
| 2000-year old Roman shopping lists, personal letters and
| obscene graffiti are _intensely_ interesting to historians now,
| but would have been worthless to their owners even a couple of
| days later.
| MrYellowP wrote:
| > 300 years from now
|
| That's really unlikely, given it's all just digital and
| electricity. Ignoring that our pseudo-global society will
| have collapsed long before that and ignoring that the digital
| era unlikely lasts that long ...
|
| ... assuming humanity actually keeps going as it is ...
|
| ... there is _no_ way people in 300 years will be able to
| read _any_ device from today. Hell, the CD-ROM is dying and
| that 's _young._
| themadprogramer wrote:
| You have to, however, also consider the multi-domainness of
| YouTube videos. Yeah sure, there's billions of hours of clips
| not one person can watch in a single life-time. But unlike
| your 2000-year old Roman shopping lists, we have footage of
| events that are anchored to a particular time-period. Or
| location.
|
| One of the most impressive things you can do is, try
| searching up a landmark. My personal favorite is the [Jumping
| Stone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1TtMN8nXTM) on the
| Nias Island of Indonesia. What would have otherwise just
| remained a novel tourist attraction, forgotten by the
| modernity of the 21st century, is now essentially a "tag"
| which has hours of footage associated with it. Thousands of
| tourists travelling back and forth, locals growing old, new
| people being born, buildings being built and demolished
| around it. You can even just study how video quality improved
| in that particular region. That there IS something wholly
| unique to this era and definitely worth preserving. YouTube
| as a company has figured the logistics of storing it, but the
| question of how humans can hope to read such data remains yet
| unanswered.
| the_biot wrote:
| Like so many questions of this type, I think the Internet
| Archive is the answer. They are not a warehouse of stuff
| stored on media/formats that are forever becoming obsolete
| -- they store data, keyed by timestamp, sometimes with
| metadata. How they store it and serve it up is irrelevant,
| and they will upgrade as needed (I assume this is a
| continuous process).
|
| If the IA didn't exist, we'd have to invent it.
|
| I suspect if the IA ever decides to properly archive
| YouTube, they'll interface with the folks that run it
| directly. Archive Team is, to put it as diplomatically as I
| can, not a good organization.
| soraminazuki wrote:
| I don't think that's a complete answer though. The
| article lists ContentID as the major reason videos get
| deleted, meaning that copyright trolls could go after IA
| if they want to. What we desperately need is copyright
| law reform.
| themadprogramer wrote:
| > If the IA didn't exist, we'd have to invent it.
|
| You know, a part of the original company vision for
| YouTube prior to the Google acquisition was really
| something akin to the IA, in that they did pride
| themselves with hosting footage of the Indian Ocean
| Earthquake:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Indian+Ocean
| +ea...
|
| Now, acting as diplomatically as I possibly can, I can
| say that your suggestions of the IA and YouTube
| interfacing together were at a previous point in time a
| continuous process. But a number of factors have made
| direct cooperation between the IA and Google (thereby
| YouTube) come to a screeching halt.
|
| At this current point in time, we stand at a historical
| crossroad. And I'm only here to just act as a humble
| messenger ;)
| [deleted]
| virtuallynathan wrote:
| As of 2013, I calculated the YouTube catalog is ~375PB. It's
| probably closer to 1EB now, if not 2-5x that much.
|
| http://www.autonomoussystem.net/2013/07/youtube-slowness.htm...
| sterlind wrote:
| would tape be cheaper? it'd be a lot more annoying to use,
| but at least you'd have a backup, even if you have to queue a
| request to access.
| booi wrote:
| Tape (~$6/TB) is cheaper than archival storage (~$14/TB)
| but I'm not sure it's worth the cost of having another
| "offline" system that needs robots or humans in order to
| access for rebuilds, maintenance, verification etc.
|
| I'm surprised by how magnetic storage continues to decline
| in price as densities continue to increase. I wonder where
| the end actually is.
| crmd wrote:
| You might be surprised to see the scale of LTO tape
| consumption by FAANG companies.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| _Sad trombone._
| themadprogramer wrote:
| Maybe someone should do a Kickstarter for it ;)
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