[HN Gopher] LG 28-inch 16:18 DualUp Monitor
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LG 28-inch 16:18 DualUp Monitor
Author : jqcoffey
Score : 271 points
Date : 2022-07-09 15:22 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| happy_pancake wrote:
| Anyone know of a good touchscreen monitor/display for events? I
| am using the lenovo m14t connected to a mac but looking for
| better options..?
| CoastalCoder wrote:
| Probably helpful if you say more about your required size,
| resolution, brightness, durability, portability, price, etc.
| happy_pancake wrote:
| 24 inches or smaller touch screen, 1920x1080 res, vesa mount
| preferably! No need to be portable. If there's square-ish
| displays that'll be cool too! Thanks!
| bmcahren wrote:
| 60hz no thanks
| wongarsu wrote:
| I find panning my eyes left and right to other monitors more
| natural than up and down, and I think most ergonomics experts
| would agree. As such a 32:9 widescreen seems preferable to a
| 16:8. But if you are pressed for space, either because of small
| desks or because of everything else going on on your desk (people
| who work not only in the virtual world) this seems like a great
| compromise.
| tom_ wrote:
| I've always been the opposite - not a big fan of having to turn
| my head much when I'm working.
|
| At home I've got 2 x 27" 9:16 monitors, one in front and one to
| my right (total display width ~68 cm), then my little laptop on
| the left (~30 cm wide) - and that's about far left or right as
| I can be bothered to look.
|
| At work I've got 1 x 27" 9:16 monitor in front, and 1 x 27"
| 16:9 monitor on my left. The left hand side of the desktop
| feels very, very far away!
| nopcode wrote:
| why dont you turn the left monitor vertically?
| tom_ wrote:
| Partly because I work in video games, so at work I benefit
| from having one landscape monitor for testing the game at a
| realistic resolution and/or using the tools, almost all of
| which are always designed for use in landscape orientation.
|
| (I could probably work around all of that, and indeed when
| I work at home I just suck it up and/or have things stretch
| across two screens. But the other part is that the monitor
| stand I have at work is a bit limited, so if I have both
| monitors in portrait orientation and move them so they're
| adjacent, they end up too close to me.)
| isametry wrote:
| Also don't forget that our eyes are... you know... next to each
| other. Rather than stacked vertically. The aspect ratio for the
| average binocular human is almost 2:1 (vertical FOV is around
| 100deg, while horizontal is up to 190deg).
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_eye#Field_of_view
| amelius wrote:
| Is that 190deg the range for both eyes simultaneously?
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Yes, but for visually analytical practice - what I do in
| front of a monitor - I find a more squarish than stripey
| proportion much better.
|
| I am not enjoying a panorama.
| jcims wrote:
| Are there any window managers that let you set some kind of
| 'snap zones' so that you can easily tile screens without
| fiddling? That's my main issue with large screens vs a
| plurality of smaller ones.
| erikerikson wrote:
| For Mac: RectangleApp
|
| https://rectangleapp.com/
| robterrell wrote:
| I use Moom at home but can't at work, so I just started using
| https://rectangleapp.com instead.
| curiousgal wrote:
| If you have a Dell monitor you can use Dell Display Manager.
|
| https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000060112/what-
| is-d...
| bechap wrote:
| If you use a Mac, I've really enjoyed using Divvy. You can
| define snap zones with keyboard shortcuts. It's $20, but
| that's worth it for me considering how much I use it.
|
| https://apps.apple.com/us/app/divvy-window-
| manager/id4138575...
| giblfiz wrote:
| As a free alternative (which I use daily) I would recommend
| "Hammerspoon" https://www.hammerspoon.org/
|
| You will need to do a little configuration, but it does the
| snap zones thing perfectly.
| dominotw wrote:
| Just coming across these. I've been using amethyst. Would
| this offer any benefit to me ?
| philsnow wrote:
| Hammerspoon has the benefit that in addition to managing
| your windows / spaces, you can also script _tons_ of
| other things in the macos interface with it: have a
| glance at https://www.hammerspoon.org/docs/ to see the
| top-level modules.
| no-s wrote:
| > If you use a Mac, I've really enjoyed using Divvy. You
| can define snap zones with keyboard shortcuts.
|
| My memory is hazy but I feel this is close to some now-
| elided window management feature in MacOS...
|
| Thanks for the tip!
| pph wrote:
| You're looking for a "tiling window manager".
|
| Another tip: In my setup I created dummy screens to fake
| multiple monitors in RDP.
| dotancohen wrote:
| I do this with KDE.
| tuvan wrote:
| Microsoft PowerToys is pretty great for windows
| maximus-decimus wrote:
| Fancy Zones are also in base Windows 11.
| [deleted]
| Darkphibre wrote:
| Specifically, the FancyZones utility. I was just showing
| this to a guest I was hosting and blowing their minds. You
| can setup multiple patterns per monitor depending on a
| given workflow, snap windows with shortcuts or shift-
| dragging with the mouse, and even tab between windows in
| the same 'pane'.
|
| https://docs.microsoft.com/en-
| us/windows/powertoys/fancyzone...
| ComputerGuru wrote:
| Honestly the latest Windows 10 isn't bad in this regard and
| Windows 11 has improved on that without making it a chore
| (although the other regressions in 11 make it a strong Do Not
| Recommend for now). The PowerToys expansion for this feature
| is worth trying (it's by Microsoft and it's free).
| emarsh wrote:
| On a Mac, I use Magnet, which lets you snap windows all over
| the place, even on multiple monitors.
| throwawaymaths wrote:
| I'm double-extending vscode: top monitor gets the code, bottom
| laptop screen gets the terminal (vscode click-to-goto file/line
| in stdout/stderr output is just too powerful)
| dominotw wrote:
| why can't those be put in different spaces and just switch
| between spaces using keyboard. Whats the advantage of putting
| terminal in another monitor.
|
| This has puzzled me for a long time as to why ppl use
| multiple monitors at all. Is the idea that your peripheral
| vision is monitoring terminal window ?
| egfx wrote:
| I don't know about terminals but having live reload on
| multiple monitors is a god send for frontend developer
| productivity. You're experimenting most of the time.
| p1esk wrote:
| I have two 32" external monitors connected to my 17"
| laptop, so I use 3 screens: the laptop screen is usually
| for browser/slack/email, first external monitor is for
| Vscode code editor, second monitor is for tmux (watching a
| bunch of ML experiments on GPU servers).
|
| I don't want to use different spaces on the same screen, to
| me it's like context switching, and I don't like that. I
| prefer to have everything open in front of me, so I just
| turn my head slightly to see what I need to see. It's like
| having a large work table where I can fit all my tools and
| materials.
| spiffytech wrote:
| I've always stacked my monitors because I recline while I work,
| so the up/down eye motion feels natural for me. By contrast, I
| turn my head to see side-by-side monitors, which doesn't feel
| as nice to do all day.
| redcalx wrote:
| > I recline while I work
|
| Can you elaborate on this? Sounds like it might be a way to
| limit back strain? Do you have a desk at all?
| spiffytech wrote:
| I work at a desk, lean my chair back, and use a footrest.
| Here's the one I'm using now:
| https://amazon.com/gp/product/B07PWT8X6K/ My desk has a
| keyboard tray so I can keep my chair low, and I'd want
| something taller if I had to raise my chair.
|
| For me, this totally eliminates back strain from working.
| I've also got a friend who uses a La-Z-Boy in his home
| office, with his laptop connected to the TV. He can't say
| enough good things about that setup.
| redcalx wrote:
| Interesting, thanks. Is your chair anything special? I'm
| guessing it has a high back for head support?
| spiffytech wrote:
| A couple years ago I got a Secret Lab Titan, which does
| have high back/head support. I'm very happy with it.
| Before that, I've worked this way with whatever chair my
| job gave me. The head support is nice, but for me it
| isn't critical.
| ziml77 wrote:
| I got a 21:9 display for my main monitor which forced me to
| turn a 16:9 monitor sideways so it would fit on my desk. It's
| very much just meant for stuff on the side because it is not
| comfortable to be looking up and down like that. The best
| arrangement seems to be to have stuff that I'm not focusing too
| hard on in the top half (a YouTube video or Discord when I'm
| just glancing at it) and to have in the bottom half stuff that
| I'm more actively focusing on (general browsing or Discord when
| I'm doing a lot of chatting)
| Aaargh20318 wrote:
| I'm also using a 21:9 and a 16:9 sideways. I mainly use the
| portrait monitor for API docs and the iOS simulator. The tall
| format is perfect for viewing documentation, especially
| browsing through long lists of classes or methods.
| vl wrote:
| Clearly this monitor only make sense if you get two of them and
| run them side by side... Imagine the glorious luxury of such
| setup...
|
| I used to run two 30"s vertically, but after upgrading to high-
| res 32" didn't get back to such setup (would be too narrow and
| too tall). Two of these 27"s can be great for side-by-side
| again.
| elliotpage wrote:
| This reminds me of the Eizo 1:1 format monitor that I always
| coveted but never bought. Now it appears they are no longer being
| made.
|
| https://www.eizo.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/
| vehemenz wrote:
| It's nice to see large manufacturers break out of the 16:9 mold,
| although I think 4:3, 3:2, or 5:4 would be better for most users.
|
| Unfortunately, LG is letting the supply chain dictate panel size
| for their product team, instead of the other way around. This is
| no doubt a byproduct of their decision to stop building their own
| panels in 2020.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| I would say this is very far from "breaking out of the 16:9
| mold".
|
| You can clearly say that the vast majority of the product
| pictures instead present it as a 2x16:9. Most of the text is
| also selling it as a replacement for a double monitor setup.
| lambdaba wrote:
| 3:2 is ideal, Microsoft's Surface Book series have it
| arthurfm wrote:
| Huawei's MateView 28.2" monitor too. It has a 3840 x 2560
| resolution (which is slightly more than the 2560 x 2880
| resolution of the LG DualUp), although sadly is not VESA
| mountable.
| Dylan16807 wrote:
| It's a good baseline, but for big setups I think there's a
| point where you want the width to grow faster than the
| height.
| layer8 wrote:
| I believe I'd slightly prefer 16:11 if that existed, but it's
| pretty close to 3:2.
| karamanolev wrote:
| 3:2 is 16:10.66, so basically the same as 16:11.
| layer8 wrote:
| As I said, it's pretty close, but not the same. Looking
| at http://www.displaywars.com/1-inch-3x2-vs-1-inch-d%7B16
| x11%7D, I'd prefer the green rectangle (with more inches
| of course ;)).
| pkz wrote:
| ...and the Acer Swift. A great screen size for programmers.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Its rather close to 16:10 which is more ubiquitous (I have
| 32" one funnily enough from LG from pre-covid times, and oh
| boy was I glad I bought when it came).
|
| It feels so natural to my eyes, I definitely don't want
| vertical panel but 16:9 is pretty crap for any kind of work.
| cbozeman wrote:
| Jesus Christ, why did they stop building their own panels??
|
| _No one_ had panel quality like LG... :(
| tumult wrote:
| Is this actually true? I searched and didn't find anything
| about LG ending their computer display LCD manufacturing.
| Wistar wrote:
| I have a pair of 2019 LG 4K 27s that I covet.
| ThatMedicIsASpy wrote:
| i would not say 16:9 stacked on top of each other is breaking
| out of 16:9
| sneak wrote:
| Has anyone tried one of these? I'm intrigued. How well does it
| work?
| folkhack wrote:
| Not the LG but I've ran a 1:1 EIZO for years which is very
| close... Just gonna talk on how I've grown to love the 1:1
| aspect ratio.
|
| 1:1... it's not for everyone, but it is for me for the
| following purposes:
|
| * Best LOC on-screen possible - balanced horizontal/vertical
| space in my IDE means I can fit WAY more readable code on
| screen vs. my horizontal monitors
|
| * Vertical aspect ratio media - editing a vertical photo is
| outstanding (color profiles on this monitor are meh but not a
| huge deal for me)
|
| * 4-corner tiling - I find I only tile to the left/right or
| top/bottom on normal horizontal/vertical monitors... on this
| one I can fit 4x windows in reasonable aspect ratios in the
| corners
|
| * Full-height web browsing/document reading - not exclusive to
| 1:1; viewing a whole "page" of data is much more natural vs
| horizontal aspect ratios
|
| ---
|
| Downsides:
|
| * Gaming - Some games can be configured to work with it.
| Outside of Factorio I really don't use it _at all_ for gaming.
| I have 2x 16:9 1440p's on each side that I typically game on.
|
| * Price/obscurity - This EIZO was way too expensive... the LG
| is way better but I'm afraid in 1-2 years you won't be able to
| find them at a reasonable price.
|
| ---
|
| TLDR: I'm legit considering picking one of these LG's up for
| when my EIZO dies - I am so happy there's another option.
| sicher wrote:
| I used to run a 16:9 vertically for writing so I got one of
| these and love it.
|
| The only issue is that I needed to install BetterDisplay
| (former BetterDummy) to get retina scaling from my macbook pro
| M1 . Dunno why macOS doesn't support it natively since it has
| the same PPI as a 32" 4k screen.
| dormando wrote:
| I just got one a few weeks back but haven't gotten to spend a
| ton of time with it yet. It's taking some adjustment but I'm
| liking it so far.
|
| - had 1440p + 1080p monitors on stands side by side before. Now
| just this one on an arm (which is excellent), that I can adjust
| to keep my position from being static.
|
| - not having to hold my neck angled while reading my side
| monitor is helpful.
|
| - realistically there are a few "modes" of working on here.
| While coding it's pulled a bit closer, while in CAD or similar
| creative I might push it back a bit and get more of the monitor
| in view.
|
| - I recline slightly so the monitor is tilted a bit which gives
| me a solid view of the bottom 60-70% of the monitor. The top is
| a bit out of range at close distance.
|
| - For coding so far I have the middle-ish of the monitor as a
| 1440p code-only view. Below that are a few windows for
| manpages/reference/interactive debugging/repl/etc. On the top
| end which is normally slightly out of view I have compilation
| and long running test output which I glance at by moving my
| eyes.
|
| I like not having to page between desktops while coding when
| possible. The bottom view is also large enough to hold a
| browser window or simulator window. Need to also try pushing it
| back a bit with slightly larger text and see if that's any
| better.
|
| I don't intend to game on it, maybe windowed mode in the middle
| or something.
|
| edit: well, also it has this mode where you can split it into
| two 1440p monitors on different inputs (which you can hook up
| to the same computer), so depending on the game I might do that
| as well.
| locofocos wrote:
| I have a similar experience with coding! I bought this
| monitor precisely for that. It's nice to keep some bottom IDE
| panel open (test results, find results, git log, etc) while
| keeping the rest of my editor at a normal vertical height.
|
| Similarly, I can keep a browser open at a normal (or even
| extended!) height, plus keep the developer console open at
| the bottom. It's made web development more pleasant, just the
| feeling of not being so cramped vertically.
| beebeepka wrote:
| It's incredible seeing 60 hz junk being promoted on a tech site
| in 2022
| jsjohnst wrote:
| Incredibly low resolution for the size monitor too. Is the form
| factor the novelty worthy of sharing?
| sicher wrote:
| I just bought one of these (and love it! I write a lot) It
| has the same PPI as the 32" 4k Dell I run at work.
| robertoandred wrote:
| 32" at 4K is pretty low ppi
| sicher wrote:
| About 140. But I find it okay since I like to keep the
| screen not too close.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| Since when is 1440p low resolution? A 4K IPS panel is by no
| means the standard, even in 2022.
| Matthias247 wrote:
| It is rather low 110 dpi, ,,retina" devices are doing > 220
| dpi for nearly a decade and are much easier on the eyes.
|
| Now unfortunately those are still not common in external
| monitors - probably because they require 5k resolution for
| todays display sizes. But even the 160 dpi of a 4K @ 27"
| screen is such a massive step forward in picture quality
| and readability that I couldn't ever see myself going back
| to 110dpi or less. This should especially apply if a
| display is marketed as ergonomic
| sicher wrote:
| This LG is just shy of 140 dpi.
| Matthias247 wrote:
| You are right. I got confused by the mention of 1440p -
| which is not really what this screen has at 28". Still
| not really in the hidpi category. I assume it would be
| most usable with something along 1.5-1.75 scaling, which
| produces inferior results to 2x.
| sicher wrote:
| I would prefer higher dpi too. If someone would make a
| hidpi square (ish) screen I would buy it in a heartbeat.
| The Huawei Mateview looks great but can't swivel to
| portrait, unfortunately.
| beebeepka wrote:
| I think someone is just doing PR, hence the dowvotes
| lvass wrote:
| This shares an unfortunately common flaw with most monitors in
| the market, at 137.6 PPI, it'll likely require fractional
| scaling.
| kposehn wrote:
| Exactly. That's the reason I don't recommend it and am
| returning mine.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| This is surprisingly reasonably priced.
| seanp2k2 wrote:
| Wake me up when they make one with the resolution of 2x 4K 16:10
| screens. 8K 55" TVs are hard to beat as monitors too.
| zamadatix wrote:
| Having tried both setups I found 8k 55" to be problematic. At
| 200% scaling it's like 4 4k 27.5" displays which are already a
| bit under scales individually (160 dpi equivalent being
| displayed as normal) but much worse because you need to fit 4
| within your vision on a flat plane. At 250% things are better
| but now you're effectively just got an extremely large 5k
| display with all of the troubles/inneficiencies of fractional
| scaling.
|
| I found stacking 27"-32" sized displays in a 3x1 or 3x2 to be
| much more effective. This allows you to adjust the angles
| horizontally and vertically to where you sit so it's less of a
| flat plane and allows you to pick 1440p or 2160p panels for
| each (depending on size you went with and money you want to
| spend) giving you the option to build to the size and
| resolution you want instead of the size and resolution you can
| fit using a single tv. For less than $2k you can get 6x
| 1440p@165hz displays and 3 dual height monitor stands so it
| also gives more bang for the buck. Well getting the same peak
| HDR brightness might cost you more, especially if you want that
| on all displays.
|
| Not to mention 8k TVs try to do everything I their power to
| make the experience of just turning on and displaying the
| content directly and correctly impossible to do fully.
| Kudos wrote:
| I tried a 49" 4k, and it gave me neck pains unless I only used
| the middle half of it.
| JackGreyhat wrote:
| I've been wanting to buy a 49inch curved to _avoid_ neck
| pain...do you recommend against it? I wanted to buy this one:
| https://www.samsung.com/ca/monitors/gaming/odyssey-
| neo-g9-g9...
| Kudos wrote:
| To be clear, I actually do have that actual 49" utrawide
| now, and it's been great. The 49" I mentioned was just a TV
| I used as a monitor.
| jsjohnst wrote:
| Having had dual 5Ks for the past five years, I probably
| wouldn't be excited even with it being 2x 4K. The bezels aren't
| big enough to warrant the drop in resolution for something like
| this to me.
| moneywoes wrote:
| How different is this from flipping a 16:9 display
| meatmanek wrote:
| It's equivalent to putting two 16:9 displays on top of each
| other, but in the same device.
| puppycodes wrote:
| its a great monitor if your productivity standards are high and
| your visual quality standards are low
| mdp2021 wrote:
| Which specification details you see as bad?
| robertoandred wrote:
| The ppi
| mdp2021 wrote:
| 140ppi is bad at book's distance but fair at arm's (or,
| monitor's) distance, and a definite progress from the
| traditional ~90ppi.
| pcurve wrote:
| It's definitely smaller than I was expecting. 18.2" x 19"
|
| My 27" display is almost 25" wide.
| deergomoo wrote:
| I was all ready to buy one of these until I realised it was the
| size of two 21" displays stacked, rather than two 27" as the
| resolution suggests.
|
| I know I wouldn't be losing any horizontal resolution, but I
| think 27" is the perfect width for a primary monitor and I
| wouldn't really want to go smaller.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| According to what you are writing, it is much bigger than your
| display:
|
| if your display had a 27'' diagonal, and was 25'' wide, it
| would be 10'' tall. (Which makes little sense: it would be a
| 5:2 proportion.) So it would have an area of 250 sqi.
|
| Versus the ~350 sqi of the LG. (It is quite a jump: the rounded
| [?]2 jump, 5:7, Ax proportion, "do it twice to double".)
|
| The steeper (or flatter) the proportion, the less the area per
| diagonal size.
|
| But I guess the display for comparison is more likely a
| 24''x13'' scarce, ~300 sqi.
| pcurve wrote:
| 'if your display had a 27'' diagonal, and was 25'' wide, it
| would be 10'' tall."
|
| 10" tall? I think your math is off.
|
| My monitor is P2175Q. Dimension with bezel 25.2 x 16.7. LCD
| alone is 23.5 x 13.25".
| mdp2021 wrote:
| > _I think your math is off_
|
| How? Have you verified it? [?](625+100) = ~26.9
|
| You brought the measurements of your 16:9 : yes, one of the
| points was that a 27'' diagonal with a 25'' side cannot be
| 16:9, and is in fact more like 5:2, as written. Going from
| 25'' to 23.5'' makes a lot of difference in proportions.
| humanistbot wrote:
| Pythagoras's revenge....
| meatmanek wrote:
| Maybe I'm bad at reading, but it would be nice if the page
| explained "this is the equivalent of two 20-inch 16:9 monitors
| stacked" instead of having to bust out the Pythagorean theorem.
| kllrnohj wrote:
| http://displaywars.com/27,6-inch-d%7B16x18%7D-vs-27-inch-16x.
| ..
|
| I love that site for comparing displays across aspect ratios.
| tom_ wrote:
| The specs panel has Dimension without Stand (W x H x D):
| 481.5 x 549.5 x 44.9 mm
| lvass wrote:
| It's approximately two 21.345-inches stacked, not 20.
| jvolkman wrote:
| I've been using 43 inch 4k displays as monitors for 3 years now
| and don't think I could go back to anything smaller. Font size at
| native scaling is just right for me and there's plenty of real
| estate.
| koverda wrote:
| I'm up to dual 75 inch 8k and it feels just right. Tried going
| down to 43 inches and it felt cramped.
| immigrantheart wrote:
| How do you even able to read it? From what distance?
| PainfullyNormal wrote:
| Would you be willing to post a picture of your setup? That
| sounds insanely cool.
| xur17 wrote:
| I was considering this recently, but didn't find a good
| curved version. What do you use?
| akersten wrote:
| They're still doing the thing where if you want to wall mount it,
| you've got to punch a hole in your drywall for the cables to have
| enough room to exit straight out the back of the monitor. Or hope
| that some cheap 90-degree noname adapter supports the latest
| version of DisplayPort that you want. I stopped buying this brand
| of monitor because of this frustration.
| tokamak-teapot wrote:
| Or fix a piece of board to the wall and fix the monitor to
| that.
| CoastalCoder wrote:
| Do you mean wall-mount I'm general, or do you mean wall-
| mounting _with no gap between the chassis and the wall_?
|
| Because if you allow a gap, there are plenty of VESA-compatible
| mounting kits that solve the problem.
| aeyes wrote:
| Is there no cable with a 90 degree plug on the market?
| akersten wrote:
| Maybe, but there's a tall raised bezel around the port area
| so even those cables might not work if the port is close
| enough to the edge of the port cutout, since it'll intersect
| the chassis plastic. The lower DP port on this monitor looks
| way too close to the bezel for a 90 degree cable for example.
| I guess it's not hitting the wall anymore, but I still can't
| use it. All in all it's a baffling design decision and I wish
| they would just put the ports downward firing at the bottom
| of the monitor with straight clearance like everyone else.
| You could even still stack them vertically with no gap this
| way because the actual screen support curves away from where
| the ports would exit.
| philliphaydon wrote:
| https://www.av-connection.com/?PGr=13515
|
| Like this?
| daemoens wrote:
| Cheaper versions on amazon and you can get em quicker
|
| HDMI: https://www.amazon.com/VCE-Supported-Degree-Female-
| Adapter/d...
|
| DisplayPort: https://www.amazon.com/Displayport-Converter-
| BolAAzuL-Connec...
| 4ad wrote:
| Excellent form factor with an unusable ppi. I lost all my faith
| in non-Apple companies being able to produce usable displays. I
| hate macOS, but I have no choice. The only alternative is
| Linux+UP3218K, but it requires Nvidia graphics (no-go on Linux,
| for me), and the build quality is spotty and poor...
|
| At least now we have a Linux laptop with a usable display though,
| the soon to be released ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 will have the option
| of a 16:10, 2880x1800, 242ppi display, usable in Linux with 2x
| scaling.
|
| Of course that laptop has other problems, but at least we have
| the first alternative to a MacBook _in over a decade_ for people
| who care about Linux and displays.
| lvass wrote:
| >Linux+UP3218K, but it requires Nvidia graphics
|
| Care to explain? I found some articles from 2017 claiming AMD
| cards can display 8k60fps.
| 4ad wrote:
| It didn't work a couple of years ago, at least in Linux, with
| the open source driver. I don't know what the situation is
| nowadays.
| lvass wrote:
| Fixed in linux 5.5(jan 2020) according to a phoronix
| article.
| 4ad wrote:
| That is excellent to hear! I really, really want a Linux
| workstation using Dell UP3218K. Sadly so few people have
| this monitor, and even fewer use Linux, that it's quite
| the financial gamble to know what actually works and what
| doesn't. I could return the monitor, of course, but then
| I end up with a newly bought machine without any display
| I could use...
| sbf501 wrote:
| My cervical vertebrae are cowering in fear. I'd rather twist left
| to right and put the burden on muscles, than over-articulate my
| neck.
| make3 wrote:
| can't you just move your eyes
| mdp2021 wrote:
| To be fair to the poster, we have in general horizontally
| distributed eyes. Yes the display is squarish, so the focus
| uses similar distances, but maybe the game of peripheral
| vision gives the L-R space some advantage.
|
| I would install extra eyes.
| dominotw wrote:
| I think most of ppl have the opposite problem called "nerd
| neck" from looking down all the time while using phone, laptop
| ect. This could be a nice antidote to that :D .
| sangnoir wrote:
| Never heard of nerd neck til now. Every single piece of
| ergonomic advice on using monitors that I have encountered
| has recommended that the _top_ of your monitor be level with
| your eyes so you look _down_ (slightly) rather than up.
| iblaine wrote:
| In my experience, 27" monitors on top of each other will hurt
| your neck and/or eyes, and side by side is more comfortable.
| willio58 wrote:
| I've been using a vertical monitor recently and I have to say I
| haven't noticed any pain. I don't tend to look up and down with
| my head, I simply move my eyes up and down
| Schiendelman wrote:
| Oh you won't notice the pain. You'll notice in 20 years.
| bartvk wrote:
| Can you expand on this ominous prediction? What are your
| experiences?
| arghwhat wrote:
| You cervical vertebrae are likely covering in fear due to
| significant underutilization.
| js2 wrote:
| I've been using a 32" 16:9 4K monitor (BenQ BL3201PH) for years.
| The biggest improvement I've made recently was putting it on a
| proper monitor arm. OMG, what a sea change being able to raise,
| lower, bring forward, push back the monitor throughout the day.
|
| I have a fixed standing desk with a tall bar-stool type chair I
| use for resting at times. I'm 50, but even with glasses I use
| just for editing (they are optimized for bringing into focus
| things at arms distance) I have the monitor relatively close to
| use it at the resolution and font-sizes I like. This means if I'm
| working on editing something toward the bottom or top of the
| monitor I'll often have to adjust its height so that I'm not
| tilting my head too far down or up. The monitor arm just makes
| that so easy.
|
| After a couple tries, I found a knock-off of the Fully Jarvis arm
| that works well, the WALI GSM001XL:
|
| https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NLMLLT6/
|
| Anyway, this LG is neat, but my 32" is already at the height
| limit I'd want for a monitor. I feel like this LG dual setup I'd
| need to have too far way to see the full view comfortably, which
| would mean running everything at larger font sizes, so I'm not
| sure it makes sense.
| nickjj wrote:
| Do you run your 32" 4k monitor at 100% native scaling? If so
| how far away do you keep the monitor from your eyes?
| js2 wrote:
| I don't run it 100%. I run it at 3360 x 1890, once click down
| in the Mac display preference pane from native. It's
| apparently 114%/122ppi according to [1] (not my monitor, but
| it's an equivalent size/resolution).
|
| The front of the monitor is 24" from my nose.
|
| 1. https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/compatibility/dpi_scali
| ng...
| sofixa wrote:
| > The front of the monitor is 24" from my nose
|
| Isn't that a bit too close? Can you see all of it at once,
| and is there anything but it in your field of view? I'm
| asking because i had a 60cm (24'' is 61cm) desk with a 24''
| screen and i found that too close and too straining on my
| eyes.
| js2 wrote:
| It's as close as it needs to be for the size fonts and
| resolution I want to run it at, and still be able to read
| comfortably with my 50 year-old eyes. Yes, it's a bit on
| the close side so I do have to pan my head a bit. As I
| mentioned, I do push it back and bring it forward
| throughout the day, but I just measured where I'd left it
| at after coding yesterday and it was at 24" away.
|
| I don't really have any issues with eye strain though.
|
| I did need to get dedicated glasses that I use when using
| the monitor or when I'm on my laptop. I'm a bit near-
| sighted, even after Lasik a decade ago, and now I'm also
| dealing with presbyopia the last few years. I've worn
| glasses all my life, but they never bothered me at all
| till I started dealing with the presbyopia and needing
| task-specific glasses. :-(
|
| I tried progressive glasses (modern versions of bifocals)
| but found them extremely annoying with their fishbowl
| effect and only providing enough magnification at the
| bottom and gave up on them after two weeks. So I now have
| my regular glasses that are adjusted for normal
| activities and I just take them off or read below them
| for near work. My near-sightedness here is providing me
| some temporary respite from the presbyopia. But at arm's
| length distances, it's uncomfortable to read text through
| them because my eyes can't focus that close with them on,
| yet if I take them off it's just a bit too blurry.
|
| So I basically have my work glasses that make things from
| ~ 18" - 36" comfortable for viewing.
|
| Presbyopia really sucks and it's the only thing so far
| about aging that's a constant irritation in my day. :-(
|
| p.s. typing this on an iPad 12.9" that's about 16" from
| my face, w/o wearing my glasses. Further away and it's
| too blurry and I'd need my middle-distance glasses. With
| my regular glasses, there's no distance at which I can
| read it.
| gedy wrote:
| > I tried progressive glasses (modern versions of
| bifocals) but found them extremely annoying with their
| fishbowl effect
|
| Lord you aren't kidding about that - I tried these after
| a doctor recommended, and it was so jarring and
| disorienting I thought something had to be wrong.
| Apparently that's just how they are.
| bketelsen wrote:
| I thought I was the clumsiest person in the world until I
| stopped wearing mine. I was tripping on everything
| constantly.
| frob wrote:
| I do. I keep it about 2.5 feet away.
| dhosek wrote:
| Meh. I never want more vertical space on my monitor. It would be
| really a hard aun with MacOS too unless it's meant to be two
| virtual monitors, in which case, it still doesn't impress me.
| ip26 wrote:
| More horizontal space feels natural, but tends to be an
| ergonomic problem. I could see vertical working better for the
| spine & shoulders, as long as it isn't unnaturally narrow.
| jeffbee wrote:
| Pretty sure that's backwards. Ergonomically you want the
| entire display to be at and below eye level. The neck rotates
| easily on the horizontal and really sucks at flexing in the
| vertical.
| ip26 wrote:
| Yes, except most people wind up looking at the leftmost
| third of the screen the vast majority of the time (see
| visual heat map research) which results in chronically bad
| posture with very wide screens.
| samatman wrote:
| I use a window manager to split a 21:9 5k2k monitor into
| 11:13:11 panels, so the largest is in the middle. Suits
| me just fine, and I mostly look at the middle panel, with
| terminals and browsers off to the left and right
| respectively.
| jeffbee wrote:
| Yeah, not advocating for big wide screens, either. A
| 17x17 square display would be pretty sweet. You can
| achieve this by setting the right mode on a 27-inch
| widescreen, because they are 17 inches tall.
| SergeAx wrote:
| This is a perfect one for crypto traders! These days they should
| rotate their 16:9 vertically to see the full depth of assets
| plunged. Now they will have this _and_ see much longer history at
| the same time.
| JimRoepcke wrote:
| I received one last week. Works great on my M1 MBP. I have a 16:9
| monitor above the MBP and the LG to the right of it, but now I
| want to get a keyboard, trackpad and webcam so I can swap the
| positions of the monitors and have the LG as my main monitor.
|
| My only complaint is it's not as wide as a 27" monitor despite
| having the same resolution as Thunderbolt Displays / 27" iMacs.
| So the pixels are smaller. The width is closer to a 24" 16:9.
|
| But I love the stand, and everything else about it.
| aviditas wrote:
| Yes! The stand is really great; I have mine on an adjustable
| height desk and it takes up so little space. Which is perfect
| as I have so little space to work with. I got it recently and
| for me it's spot on as my main monitor. The built-in two device
| kvm saves me so much time. I can't speak to the resolution woes
| as I was using two very, very old monitors at home so I've just
| been basking in the glow of using something made recently. I've
| been enjoying the vertical space for tasks like going through
| logs/giant spreadsheets and then switching to the dual monitor
| mode for the usual multi-tasking. I've used dual 32in curved
| fancy monitors at the office before and found that I would just
| use a fourth of the real estate available. My brain prefers the
| vertical space over the horizontal.
| kposehn wrote:
| Were you able to get proper hidpi scaling on it without
| artifacts/blurriness or are you just letting it run at native
| scaling?
| djcollier wrote:
| My solution has been to use it as a second monitor, run it at
| native resolution, and only use it for apps where I can
| reliablably increase the font size (terminals, web apps/pages
| with good zoom support). I keep VSCode on my high DPI main
| monitor.
| linsomniac wrote:
| I've been running two 4K 30" displays in this form factor for 3-4
| months and love it. I put the upper monitor on an arm above the
| lower. The upper is a bit too high for doing regular work on, but
| it's great status stuff (slack, music player, bugtracker, e-mail,
| ...).
|
| The down side of this LG is that it's about the price I paid for
| the two 30" 4K displays... The curse of irregular displays,
| losing economies of scale.
| pcurve wrote:
| Would love to see your desk setup ;-)
| jefflombardjr wrote:
| How does this compare to rotating a regular monitor 90 degrees?
| zamadatix wrote:
| You also get a normal subpixel arrangement.
| mmis1000 wrote:
| It's exact 2 16:9
| lvass wrote:
| https://www.displaywars.com/24-inch-d%7B1080x1920%7D-vs-28-i...
| layer8 wrote:
| I'm waiting for a 200+ DPI OLED monitor with something like 4500
| x 3000 resolution.
| Rapzid wrote:
| Still waiting for LG to come out with a better 27/28 inch HDR
| monitor. I LOVE my Ultra Gear, but the edge-lit HDR zones could
| really use a refresh.
| orthoxerox wrote:
| I wish USB-C single cable solution would become standard on all
| screens, along with a built-in USB/BT hub. Then we could revisit
| the idea of thumbstick PCs. I am not a big fan of laptops and
| would gladly carry a Mars bar-sized computer with me instead.
| kposehn wrote:
| I've had one of these for a few weeks and am returning it. Here's
| my take:
|
| - The aspect ratio is great when rotated 90 degrees. I really
| liked having more vertical room for coding and documents.
|
| - Screen scaling with Mac OS does not work well. I've been using
| BetterDisplay to address this but it still suffers from lag,
| banding and pixelation.
|
| As a result I'm returning and getting a BenQ 32" 4K. If the
| scaling issues on mac are addressed later on I may revisit it.
| likeclockwork wrote:
| That's unfortunate. I was hoping to get one of these as an
| external monitor for an MBP.
|
| I do have to wonder though, you're saying 'Screen scaling with
| Mac OS' and 'scaling issues on mac' but this is just a monitor,
| Isn't that "MacOS screen scaling does not work well" and "mac
| scaling issues" rather than any defect with the device itself?
| kposehn wrote:
| I was disappointed too. In the end the vastly improved aspect
| ratio and ergonomics could not overcome the unpleasant screen
| quality.
|
| While Mac OS has never had an issue with other monitors and
| scaling replies in my experience, it does for the DualUp. I'm
| not knowledgeable enough about the various protocols to know
| if this is Apple or LG's responsibility, but the end result
| is not pleasant.
| acchow wrote:
| I believe for Apple's rescaling to work properly, it needs
| to be able to render at 2x resolution on both axes (4x
| resolution total). So for this 2560 x 2880, it needs a GPU
| to render internally at 5210x5760. That is 30MP. Can your
| GPU actually do this?
| kposehn wrote:
| I'm unsure if that's possible. Running a Mac Studio M1
| Ultra.
| acchow wrote:
| You should be fine to run this monitor over USB-C.
|
| HDMI will be terrible.
| kposehn wrote:
| I tried all the inputs and cables. Still the same result.
| locofocos wrote:
| I bought one, and I'm also upset with how Mac OS handles the
| scaling.
|
| I've tried absolutely every utility that allegedly makes
| higher DPI monitors work: BetterDisplay, SwitchResX, EasyRes,
| and a few other little ones. BetterDisplay makes it sound
| like they support full resolution with any arbitrary scaling
| factor. But all of them, at least the ones that did ANYTHING,
| they only offered the exact same behavior that Mac's built-in
| display settings offered. They only let me run at a lower
| resolution. I'm on a 2020 Intel MBP.
|
| Running it at 1920x2160 (just via Mac's built-in settings) is
| annoying, but it displays things at the correct size and lets
| me move on with my life. It's still slightly crisper than my
| old 96 DPI monitor, and the screen real estate + aspect ratio
| is absolutely amazing for coding.
|
| It's a real shame that neither Mac nor LG has a solution
| similar to what Windows offers. Hooking the Dualup to my
| Windows 10 PC, it immediately just worked. Full resolution,
| 150% scaling, it was the perfect size. Text looks so much
| crisper on Windows than Mac with this monitor. I've been
| considering installing some Linux distro for my daily work
| just to enjoy proper scaling (I figure Ubuntu would offer
| something similar to Windows).
| DavidVoid wrote:
| If you're curious what a setup with three of these would look
| like, there was a post on r/battlestations today by an app
| developer who uses three of them [0].
|
| [0]
| https://old.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/vv2tca/app_...
| rsync wrote:
| EIZO makes a 1:1 monitor you can buy off the shelf right now:
|
| https://www.eizo.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/
| steanne wrote:
| i have that and the one thing i don't like about it is the max
| rate is 60hz. even 75 would be fine; i don't need amazing, just
| a bit more than 60. this new lg monitor has really neat
| features: the picture by picture and the built-in kvm are
| clever and useful, but it has the same 60hz.
| somat wrote:
| I love it, perhaps we are entering a golden age of 1:1 screens.
| I had a blackberry passport and the second greatest thing about
| it was that it had a square screen and took square pictures.
| dmix wrote:
| I like how they target programmers specifically on their
| landing page.
|
| I wonder how well it works in practice. I typically have
| multiple tabs open so I don't mind going wide over long. But it
| is easier to look down rather than sideways.
| ahmedfromtunis wrote:
| What I'm really concerned about is having to look down for
| longer periods of time with monitors like these.
|
| I used to have a terrible back pain that magically
| disappeared when I elevated my laptop so that the screen is
| at my eye level.
|
| I still have a lighter version of this pain whenever I have
| to work for an extended period from a coffee shop or wherever
| I can't elevate the laptop.
| markonen wrote:
| It's a great test case for your "is this display landscape or
| portrait" functions
| hintymad wrote:
| Only vertical split? Can it be horizontally split?
| politelemon wrote:
| If you mean in terms of resolution, that would be a super ultra
| wide, like the Samsung neo g9.
| okasaki wrote:
| I find aspect ratio is more important on smaller screens such as
| on laptops. Once you get to 28" and up, 16:9 is fine, since you
| can easily tile two windows side by side.
| bhauer wrote:
| This monitor would be perfect as left and right side displays. It
| needs a matching center display that is twice the width and the
| same height, yielding a three-monitor configuration with a nice
| large central display.
| titzer wrote:
| Indeed, I think 3 monitors might be my next gamble. I switched
| from dual 27" (one always portrait and the other sometimes
| portrait, sometimes landscape), to a 42.5 (!) 4k monitor, and
| then downgraded to 32". The 42" monitor was a little
| ridiculous, like I literally started clustering my windows in
| the middle and ignoring the edges. 32 is better. The only
| direction I can imagine going would be to add 24" flanking
| portrait monitors to my 32.
| lvass wrote:
| >display that is twice the width and the same height
|
| 42.7" 16:9, very close to the common 42".
| cjbprime wrote:
| For what it's worth, my take: buy something like the LG C2 42"
| OLED TV. It is huge (but not too huge) and an excellent quality
| display. If you want to try ultrawide, or a square display, or an
| unusual aspect ratio, just.. make those desktop sizes out of your
| large screen.
| likeclockwork wrote:
| LG C2 42" is 8.3 megapixels vs. this monitor's 7.4 megapixels.
|
| This monitor offers 88% of the pixels the LG C2 does but
| compresses them into half the surface area. It also costs half
| the price.
|
| For the same amount of money you can have 14.8 megapixels at
| higher PPI in a much more flexible format. 4K seems like a lot
| of real estate but at standard->lower PPI (large screen few
| pixels) realistically you don't get that much more real estate,
| especially compared to the 2560x1440 (and multiples thereof)
| displays.
|
| I used to use a 55" LG OLED as a monitor but in practice,
| coming from dual 27" 2560x1440 monitors, I rarely did deep work
| in quadrants of 1920x1080. I tended to use a 2560 main slice
| and then the leftovers for reference and my terminals. I found
| 55" 4K as a monitor to be overly large and lacking in usable
| detail and I'm not sure I trust 42" to be small enough to make
| up for that.
| vondur wrote:
| I still have a bunch of older 24" 1920x1200 displays which are
| 16:10 and give you more vertical space than a 1920x1080 monitor.
| collegeburner wrote:
| i noticed they didn't abbreviate "nano IPS" all the way lmao
| user_7832 wrote:
| On a similar note, does anyone know of a squarish monitor that
| doesn't cost an arm and a leg, and preferably has a good color
| gamut coverage?
|
| There was an 1920*1920 monitor
| (https://www.inputmag.com/reviews/square-monitor-eizo-flexsca...)
| but that's over 1k USD :(
|
| There are other nice displays like Huawei's Mateview at 3000*2000
| but nothing costs less than ~550-600$/EUR. It's a bit of a pity
| because you can get a decent 1080p or even 1440p monitor for much
| less.
|
| Fyi I had written a comment some time back on how to make your
| own monitor, using Panelook but that also isn't very cheap (edit
| here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30422163)
| pedrocr wrote:
| If what you value is vertical space/resolution why not run a 4K
| monitor vertically? You can either use the full resolution or
| crop at whatever vertical space you prefer.
| dotancohen wrote:
| This is terrific advice. I run one monitor in the standard
| horizontal configuration and one horizontal. Everybody who
| sees it falls in love. I can get 100 lines of code on the
| monitor and rarely does a line wrap. PDFs and other documents
| look terrific.
| rayiner wrote:
| I just switched to this setup and it's great. Windows
| unfortunately doesn't natively support "snap to left/right"
| on a horizontal monitor and "snap to bottom/top" on a
| vertical monitor at the same time.
| Bud wrote:
| It's a little bit better but it's still a crap aspect ratio,
| and turning it vertical doesn't fix all of the problem. Now
| it's too tall and not wide enough.
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| I do but 9:16 is too tall and skinny, would like it a bit
| more square.
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| This is where the vertically curved displays used for video
| slots would shine as a general purpose monitor. You'd have
| less vertical range to scan and refocus on.
| folkhack wrote:
| I run the EIZO you linked and love it... since I'm such a fan
| of this monitor I've always kept an eye out for anything more
| affordable.
|
| Unfortunately, this LG is the first and only thing that I've
| seen that comes close with a <$1k price tag... I'm considering
| picking this up to have as a backup when my EIZO finally dies.
|
| My specs are 1:1 or as-close as I can get.
| rsync wrote:
| I also have this Eizo 1:1 (1920x1920) monitor and I use it in
| quadrants for status/monitoring.
|
| I wouldn't want it on my actual workstation ...
| folkhack wrote:
| 100% not for everyone, and I have to run it along side of
| traditional monitors (gaming etc). That being said, it's
| the #1 thing I value out of my setup just by personal
| preference.
|
| When I'm traveling + using a traditional setup I really
| miss it.
| saaaaaam wrote:
| The Huawei Mateview is exceptional. I was bothered by the price
| but eventually got one on sale. It's so good I'm buying another
| at full price. (Unless it comes on sale again!)
| CBarkleyU wrote:
| It does look really nice, but unfortunately it's 60hz
| nextos wrote:
| Can you comment a bit more on it? I heard some criticism
| about bleeding.
|
| It's reasonably easy to buy it in EU, and price is not too
| far from usual suspects like Dell UltraSharp or cheap
| Eizo/Nec models.
| saaaaaam wrote:
| Not sure what you mean by bleeding - can you be more
| specific?
|
| I find it an absolute joy to use. When I am at my desk I
| spend a lot of time in front of the screen and compared to
| the Samsung 4k I was using previously I find far less eye
| strain, much crisper image, and just generally more
| pleasant. I feel the investment was very worthwhile.
|
| It's also very beautifully designed which was definitely a
| consideration for me, as my office has a very cheaper
| defined aesthetic.
|
| Happy to answer specific questions but understand that I'm
| not a monitor expert :)
| nextos wrote:
| Apologies for the ambiguity. I meant backlight bleeding,
| i.e. some bright spots on the edge of the screen. It's a
| very common issue.
| nickthesick wrote:
| I have one as well and definitely can recommend it. The
| only thing is that if you are running macOS you really need
| to have SwitchResX for it to not look terrible.
|
| I have it next to my studio display and it honestly does
| not even compare in terms of clarity. I'm sure it'll run
| better on windows.
| nextos wrote:
| I was planning to use this on Linux (X11). Perhaps not a
| good idea given that I'd need scaling.
| pbreit wrote:
| I much prefer 2560 x 1440 to the standard issue 1080p and there
| are lots of inexpensive options.
| akdor1154 wrote:
| Last time i looked you can still pick up the odd 4:3 1280*1024
| dell ips on ebay, i have one as a secondary and it works quite
| well.
| projektfu wrote:
| Actually 5:4, I loved that format and wish it came in
| 2000x1600 or so.
| user_7832 wrote:
| I do actually have a Dell 4:3 monitor with me but
| unfortunately the resolution as well as the physical
| dimensions are nothing to write home about. I can make do
| with "smaller" (<~24") monitors fine as long as the
| resolution is good enough, but as you mentioned most old
| monitors aren't even 1080p. (Additionally with my
| shortsightedness I can/end up pixel-peep on 400ppi+ displays)
|
| I guess a decent solution in my case would be to actually get
| a proper job (I'm still studying) and save up for a decent
| display, until which I'll just do some _window shopping_ heh
| ;)
| spicybright wrote:
| I've been using one for daily for 5 years now. $5 at a thrift
| store!
| anotherhue wrote:
| There are some NECs that go better, 1600x1200
|
| https://th.nec.com/en_TH/product/display/multisync/lcd2090ux.
| ..
|
| Manufactured as late as 2010, especially the MedView series.
| [deleted]
| tjoff wrote:
| That is 5:4. The 4:3 1600x1200 IPS one are quite decent but
| they are getting bulky by todays standards. Also require a
| lot more power and they are starting to die. (I think last
| model is from 2005).
|
| So I'd be prepared to do some repairs / get spares if you
| can+want.
| zh3 wrote:
| Dell 2007's (1600x1200) are in high demand. Only a few weeks
| back I set a watch on an ebay site selling over 100 of them,
| I see there's only 2 left new.
| coryrc wrote:
| Find an old Trinitron :)
| adamredwoods wrote:
| I had a flat 17" Trinitron. So heavy! I still brought it to
| LAN parties.
| clvx wrote:
| Make it vertically curve and I'm absolutely in.
| lvass wrote:
| Bad idea, curved monitors are VA while this really needs IPS'
| viewing angle.
| 4ad wrote:
| Not just that, but curved monitors are useless for any design
| work, like CAD, or even good old graphical design, and I
| suspect this monitor will be popular with those people.
| llaolleh wrote:
| Unrelated but I've cycled through monitors and found LG monitors
| to be the best. They have a reading mode which takes care of most
| eye strain.
|
| That reading most had stopped 95% of my eye strain attacks.
| mdp2021 wrote:
| > _They have a reading mode_
|
| How does it work?
| [deleted]
| moltar wrote:
| Any specific models you'd recommend?
| Pakdef wrote:
| I like my 30" that I use as 1, 2, 3 or 4 monitors by tiling
| windows... they automatically snap to corner or side by dragging
| them.
| alin23 wrote:
| Looks like some users of Lunar (https://lunar.fyi) are already
| using this monitor:
| https://files.alinpanaitiu.com/6a7515174ddd729a3df47063ee760...
|
| Some notable data points: - supports DDC
| brightness control (controlling the real brightness of the
| monitor using Lunar on Mac, TwinkleTray on Windows or ddcutil on
| Linux) - supports DDC volume control - supports
| Lunar's XDR Brightness feature (https://lunar.fyi/#xdr) which
| means that in HDR mode the full brightness of the display can be
| unlocked and used for SDR content - although the
| specs page reports a typical brightness of 300nits so not sure if
| this has any effect - it isn't recognized as HiDPI by
| macOS (this used to cause blurry text, not sure if this is the
| case here but BetterDisplay is a thing these days so not an
| issue)
|
| If you want to dig deeper, you can find the same data here:
| https://db.lunar.fyi
|
| And here's the query I used: SELECT
| name, ddc, "canChangeVolume",
| orientation, width, height,
| "dotsPerInch", "maxEDR", "potentialEDR",
| "refreshRate", "isHiDPI", "isRetina",
| "isSmartDisplay", ("kCGDisplayID" <= 10) as
| "appleSilicon", -- M1 assigns IDs from 2 to 10, Intel uses much
| larger IDs * FROM displays
| WHERE name ILIKE '%SDQHD%' AND
| "DisplayProductID" != 0 -- Filter out those in a semi-connected
| state
| kposehn wrote:
| I used Better Display with it (very useful tool) but it only
| partially improved the scaling instead of resolving entirely.
| It still has banding, jagged edges and some lag.
| jeffbee wrote:
| If this almost-square aspect would drive you crazy, Eizo has been
| selling actually-square displays for ages. There's some kind of
| U.S. government contract for air traffic controllers that keeps
| the square panel industry alive. I think their "wide all around"
| marketing is clever.
|
| https://www.eizo.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/
| system2 wrote:
| A 4k 32" monitor is $300. Why pay $700 for this when we can use a
| similar one? Is it just the ratio?
| moltar wrote:
| Any you'd recommend in this price range? I'm looking for
| something like MacBook "retina" quality. Thank you.
| ComputerGuru wrote:
| I've been looking for a replacement for my 16:10 HP zr30w with
| either high-dpi or high-fps (not that this is particularly
| either) and have been coming up high-and-dry. This looks like an
| alternative worth exploring instead of the garbage 16:9 flooding
| the market with unusable high-dpi real estate.
|
| But it doesn't have VESA? I'm _all_ for the "save desk space"
| mantra that's plastered all over their marketing materials, but
| my solution was a wall /stud-mounted gas spring fully-articulated
| VESA mount that I've used across several monitors. I definitely
| don't want a desk-clamped alternative that will flatter and shake
| as I type vigorously on my mechanical keyboard (on anything that
| isn't a solid, handcrafted wood desk that takes four people to
| move).
| locofocos wrote:
| I'm using the included monitor stand. The monitor definitely
| can move relative to my desk if I shake my desk, but it's
| noticeably sturdier than a cheap (but highly rated) monitor arm
| from Amazon. I'm personally pleased using the monitor stand.
| ravis11 wrote:
| I'm pretty sure it has a Vesa mount. Their specs say wall-
| mountable 100x100 and other sites say its a Vesa 100x100 mount.
| kposehn wrote:
| I can confirm it works with VESA mounts without issue. I'm
| using an Ergotron arm mounted to the wall and it went on no
| problem.
| ComputerGuru wrote:
| Thanks for confirming! The pictures made it seem like it
| wasn't VESA compatible.
| zone411 wrote:
| I got them recently as the side monitors for a 16:9 43'' 4k in
| the middle. The height matches almost perfectly. I love this
| layout so far, so much desktop space and such high resolution!
| And it's nice to have a big 16:9 screen in the middle for videos.
| Finally a worthy replacement for my three 10-year-old 30'' 16:10
| Dells.
|
| For people who work in Windows: you will want to use
| https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse and you'll need to modify
| the registry to work around this issue
| https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse/issues/80 if you don't
| want your mouse cursor to jump vertically during screen
| transitions.
| xdfgh1112 wrote:
| How does this compare to two regular monitors stacked on a
| monitor stand?
| dixie_land wrote:
| no bezel comes to mind. also easier to mount than try to align
| two perfectly
| Gualdrapo wrote:
| Only one image (unless you use the split feature) with no gaps
| in between, and only power input.
| alanbernstein wrote:
| Also easier to reposition as a single unit.
| mbreese wrote:
| This is basically two 1440p panels attached together... so not
| too different if you have really thin bezels.
|
| But what I'm curious about is if this acts as one monitor or
| two? None of the images show windows that overlap the middle of
| the screen. So is it one or two "virtual" screens?
|
| If it is one virtual screen, I might think of it as more useful
| to me in the 18:16 orientation.
| da768 wrote:
| The slideshow just below shows it used as a single monitor.
| tpmx wrote:
| There is zero bezel since it's one panel.
|
| https://www.lg.com/us/images/features/mnt-dualup-
| ergo-28mq78...
| causality0 wrote:
| That image is not evidence it is one panel, especially
| since the image on the screen is photoshopped and not a
| picture of the live monitor.
| JimRoepcke wrote:
| It's one panel. I have this monitor.
| parineum wrote:
| If it's not actually two monitors, power toys' fancyzones[1]
| can duplicate that behavior in Windows.
|
| https://docs.microsoft.com/en-
| us/windows/powertoys/fancyzone...
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| It is two monitors, you can plug 2 devices at the same
| time.
| aviditas wrote:
| It is one panel and has an internal kvm so you can use
| two devices at the same time.
| cehrlich wrote:
| You can run it as two 16:9 monitors or one 16:18 monitor
| maximus-decimus wrote:
| More flexibility when splitting stuff? With 2 screens, I often
| found I wanted a main thing in the middle and a small window on
| each side, but that's really ackward if you have a bezzle. Then
| again, that makes more sense for an ultra-wide than an ultra-
| high monitor in my opinion.
| zamadatix wrote:
| From someone that does a 3x2 setup I'll add one downside: on my
| split setup I run the bottom row 90 degrees from the desk while
| the upper ones are angled down and slightly so that both are
| viewed straight on when glanced at. Not having a physical split
| like this makes it so the top and bottom will always seem
| angled.
|
| I suppose if it were curved it'd solve that problem but then it
| would come with assumptions about how far away you sit and
| create new problems like glare streaks.
| oumua_don17 wrote:
| There is also this new ergo dual 27 display from LG. [1]
|
| [1] https://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-27qp88d-b#
| brentadamson wrote:
| Can you daisy chain another set of these so that I have 4
| monitors total or can you just daisy chain one set?
| nopcode wrote:
| Not on apple and probably only 30Hz with windows.
|
| 4 x 1440p@60Hz is +- 26.6 Gbps which is really pushing it for
| displayport 1.3
| wodenokoto wrote:
| So this is two 16:9 stacked on top of each other. Each with
| 2560x1440 resolution and each ... how many inches?
| chrisseaton wrote:
| Wow these are the worst possible product photos - does it have a
| bezel in the middle or not?
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| I think it's pretty evident from this photo that it does not:
| https://www.lg.com/us/images/features/mnt-dualup-ergo-28mq78...
|
| It should also be obvious given that it is not 2 monitors but a
| single 16:18 monitor...
| mattkrause wrote:
| The "ergo stand" photo actually had me fooled for a while--
| the "ghosts" just show you different ways the one giant
| monitor could be positioned.
|
| A 2x(16:9) configuration where the monitors could be brought
| _really_ close together would be neat though...
| locofocos wrote:
| I have one- I can confirm, no bezel. It's just a single
| contiguous panel as far as I can tell. I does have software
| support for feeding 2 inputs into the top/bottom, but by
| default it just hooked up as a single monitor. Looks great!
| chrisseaton wrote:
| Every other example use they've picked seems designed to make
| it look like it has a bezel with no content crossing the
| middle of the screen - this single counter-example is buried.
| NelsonMinar wrote:
| Even that image is a little confusing; the strong red/blue
| line in the middle made me wonder if there was a seam between
| two panels. The red sugar packet on the left is the only
| thing that unambiguously indicates it's a single continuous
| panel.
| ramesh31 wrote:
| I don't much care for the aspect ratio. But I have been dying for
| a decent sized 1080p USB-C monitor like this that has no power
| brick. Is there anything similar?
| anhncommenter25 wrote:
| I went on this quest recently. I wanted a small display to tuck
| _under_ my main widescreen monitor, so that I could have chat
| apps & video streaming in my periphery.
|
| The category I ended up targeting is portable monitors aimed at
| the business laptop market. These are slim, have a kickstand
| for support, and can receive data & power over a single usb-c.
| Not sure about product marketing restrictions on HN so I won't
| say the brand. But it's a 14" portable monitor from a long-
| running business laptop brand.
|
| If you want this for a non-laptop scenario, my advice would be
| to pay very close attention to the types & versions of
| connectors on the devices you're trying to connect. My gaming
| desktop didn't have the exact right usb-c port. That sent me
| into the world of 'weird' cables and lots of debugging to
| finally get it set up the way I want.
| jonah wrote:
| You can absolutely mention brands and even link to product
| pages.
|
| If you're going to use an affiliate link, it is common
| courtesy to disclose that.
|
| I'm interested in having a USB-C powered screen as a second
| monitor for my MacBook Pro, but would want it to more closely
| match the same resolution. 1080 just won't cut it.
| philsnow wrote:
| Have either of you considered some kind of ipad + sidecar
| for that? I'm not familiar with the ipad product line but I
| think there are large-ish ones with high DPI.
| jonah wrote:
| Ideally I'd like to spend less than the $1,000 for a 12.9
| screen an iPad pro would cost.
| maximus-decimus wrote:
| It makes me laugh how this is literally the opposite of my
| 5120x1440 neo g9.
|
| Larger avoid having to stretch your neck as much, but I have to
| admit this 16:18 would save a lot of desk space.
| JackGreyhat wrote:
| Do you like your monitor? I've been wanting to buy it, but I've
| been reading mixed things about text clarity or sharpness.
| What's your experience?
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