[HN Gopher] Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end enc...
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       Element (Matrix) launches Chatterbox, end-to-end encrypted embedded
       chat
        
       Author : watsonkr
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2022-07-07 21:57 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (element.io)
 (TXT) w3m dump (element.io)
        
       | t6jvcereio wrote:
       | Incidentally I tried matrix for the first time on the basis of
       | someone recommending it here in HN, and it's extremely slow
        
         | Arathorn wrote:
         | this is like saying "i tried the web, and it's extremely slow".
         | what server were you using? and which client on which platform?
        
       | bsaul wrote:
       | not sure i understand what the point is.. Embedded usually means
       | c2b communication, not c2c. The professional you're communicating
       | with is probably already hosting its computer's data on the
       | company's network...
        
       | midislack wrote:
       | Bonus - unlike Signal they don't need your phone number or DNA...
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | warning26 wrote:
         | Does it have export?
         | 
         | Signal's complete inability to any kind of history backup is a
         | dealbreaker for me.
        
           | midislack wrote:
           | Just because there's no "official" way to access history as a
           | client in Signal doesn't mean the history isn't there. You'd
           | have to ask that "Moxie Marlinspike" or whatever his name is
           | fella.
        
           | tcfhgj wrote:
           | Element has. The app on the other side
           | 
           | I think it's unlikely that this chatbox has export
           | functionality
        
       | maxloh wrote:
       | What is the benefit of end to end encryption in this scenario?
       | 
       | There is no risk of service provider spying on you because you as
       | the business is the service provider.
        
       | tcfhgj wrote:
       | How does E2EE work here? How can the user know their
       | communication isn't being intercepted?
        
         | Arathorn wrote:
         | It's using normal Matrix olm/megolm double ratchet encryption.
         | 
         | To track the identity of who you're talking to we can do TOFU
         | and/or normal out of band Matrix verification as per
         | https://github.com/vector-im/hydrogen-web/issues/518 - but this
         | isn't yet exposed in Chatterbox. We'll get it added, as without
         | verification you obviously can't spot a MITM.
        
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